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US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
One of many options.

All war gaming brainstorming sessions are intended to come up will ALL potential options.
There are plans for facilities, military and civilian centers.

People may be concerned about the use of nukes; however, they are an arsinal that needs to be planned for. What was reference is not intended to be a Hiroshama/Nagasaki type weapon nor something against the civilian population.

There are also a multitude of other weapons that can be planned for against the facilities

10-15 options exist; one ex intelligence person squawks to Hersh for his 15 seconds of fame. And even though he is ex government, he wants to remain anonomous, therefore his credibility/qualifications can not be confirmed.

According to Hersh, were we not supposed to be attacking Iran 1-2 years ago.
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I'd like to see you back that up with attribution.

Going by these guys' current track record, I'm not terribly impressed with their ability to pick or identify targets, or their knowledge of the Iranian man on the street. They sure screwed up in their estimate of the Iraqi man on the street.

A real conservative wants no part of this crap. Bush is a Crusader with an emphatic capital C. He's said numerous times that he feels he's on a mission. (He did so on the aircraft carrier, as I recall.)

You want to join his mission? I sure as Hell don't. These people are madmen.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well the weak europeans and amoral chinese and russians are leading us down this path because they don t seem to have the will to stand up to iran in the un. the europeans just don't learn. appease a monsterous regiem because you don't think they'd dare to do the unthinkable or wait until its too late. well the consequences sucked bad when it happened with nazi germany, and it will suck bad with iran.

just wait until their leaders or a faction of fundamentalists succeeds in using a nuke on israel. martrying one arab country to destroy israel is a price many probably would pay. what will the world do then? sanctions? just how many cities do we nuke in return? but well, thats better than cracking down hard on them now. its a win win for the euros and co. to wait for disaster. dead jews, dead middle easteners. no biggie.
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Quite right.

We're standing by while Iran invades a sovereign nation, continuing a war with no concrete objectives or criteria for success.

Eavedrops on its own citizens in violation of its constitution, punishes any sort of whistle-blowing with harrassment including exposing sensitive personnel to identification and possible danger. Passes laws allowing it to arrest its own citizens for any reason at all, including no reason, and to hold them without trial.

Subverts its own electoral process by pushing voting equipment incapable of providing a verifiable audit trail, stands by obviously corrupt officials until problems either go away, or cannot be covered up anymore (then cuts those people loose).

Shame on us for not speaking out and putting pressure on Iran for this.
 
FWIW the type of weapons that the US would likely use in any such attack would in no way resemble the weapons used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They'd be much cleaner, for one, and would probably be penetrators used to destroy underground bunkers.

Nukes have a horrible stigma because of WW2, but they have been much refined in the past sixty years. Think how much computers have improved since 1945 and you get a good idea . . .

Personally though I think we should stick to diplomatic negotiations with Iran until '08. Then we can let Hillary deal with it. 😉

 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Nuke them all. Then nuke China and North Korea too.



military planning was premised on a belief that ?a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.?
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wtf??? who are these idiots :Q
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I agree. That is the most RIDICULOUS thing I have heard in years.
Bombing cities has been PROVEN to strengthem a countries will to resist and to increase support of the government.
Ask the Nazis.
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Jesus says drop da bomb and the people will love you . . .
 
Why don't we pick on somebody who can actually fight back? What's this candyazz crap picking on Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran? We must be the biggest cowards ever. Let's really play war and bomb China or Russia... they have plenty of good stuff for us to steal.

 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well the weak europeans and amoral chinese and russians are leading us down this path because they don t seem to have the will to stand up to iran in the un. the europeans just don't learn. appease a monsterous regiem because you don't think they'd dare to do the unthinkable or wait until its too late. well the consequences sucked bad when it happened with nazi germany, and it will suck bad with iran.

just wait until their leaders or a faction of fundamentalists succeeds in using a nuke on israel. martrying one arab country to destroy israel is a price many probably would pay. what will the world do then? sanctions? just how many cities do we nuke in return? but well, thats better than cracking down hard on them now. its a win win for the euros and co. to wait for disaster. dead jews, dead middle easteners. no biggie.
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Yeah, let's just pre-emptively kill them all.

If I didn't know better, I'd think this was just flame-bait and not a real argument that he believes. But then I have an uncle who thinks that way.
 
It's the New Yorker, and it's claiming an anonymous source.

Maybe there's just a tiny little possibility that this story isn't quite the truth? Maybe? Hmmm?

AT'ers will believe anything if it furthers their own agendas. 😉
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Nuke them all. Then nuke China and North Korea too.



military planning was premised on a belief that ?a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.?
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wtf??? who are these idiots :Q
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Michael Shivo should have saved himself the trouble and just sent Terri to work for the Pentagon. Clearly the biggest qualification is that you must be braindead.
 
Originally posted by: tk149
It's the New Yorker, and it's claiming an anonymous source.

Maybe there's just a tiny little possibility that this story isn't quite the truth? Maybe? Hmmm?

AT'ers will believe anything if it furthers their own agendas. 😉
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Yeah, I guess if it doesn't conform to YOUR version of reality. Compared to the Fox News crowd, I consider the New Yorker to be much less ideologically motivated. But then, I actually READ it.
 
BTW, this is old news.. they talked about using these in Afghanistan too... and they have been developing more tactical nukes since bush took office.
 
Originally posted by: tk149
It's the New Yorker, and it's claiming an anonymous source.

Maybe there's just a tiny little possibility that this story isn't quite the truth? Maybe? Hmmm?

AT'ers will believe anything if it furthers their own agendas. 😉
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It's Seymour Hersh and his sources have proven to be dead-on accurate.
 
Originally posted by: X-Man
FWIW the type of weapons that the US would likely use in any such attack would in no way resemble the weapons used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They'd be much cleaner, for one, and would probably be penetrators used to destroy underground bunkers.

Nukes have a horrible stigma because of WW2, but they have been much refined in the past sixty years. Think how much computers have improved since 1945 and you get a good idea . . .
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I wouldn't call 300,000 tons of radioactive debris "cleaner"

Personally though I think we should stick to diplomatic negotiations with Iran until '08. Then we can let Hillary deal with it. 😉
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Oh please no...anyone but her (well, almost anyone 😉 )
 
I cannot believe anyone ... would even think of allowing mr bush to remain in charge for another war... wow
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be very afraid....bush has many personal and obligatory reasons to start another war before he leaves office. he is obsessed with his legacy, after all.
 
The problem is the Iranian president has used a phrase like, "Israel should be wiped off the map," and these kinds of things just give the Bush admin more fuel to add to the flames.
 
The problem is the Iranian president has used a phrase like, "Israel should be wiped off the map," and these kinds of things just give the Bush admin more fuel to add to the flames.
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middle eastern nations are well known for their diplomatic use of saber rattling. this may or may not be such a case. how that statement is interpreted to other middle-easterners may be different from how its interpreted by the folks that subscribe to the "say what you mean and mean what you say" school of thought.
 
I knew I could come to ATPN and get some jive on this. Scary ******, especially knowing that I could die because of this Administrations lies. Rediculous.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well the weak europeans and amoral chinese and russians are leading us down this path because they don t seem to have the will to stand up to iran in the un. the europeans just don't learn. appease a monsterous regiem because you don't think they'd dare to do the unthinkable or wait until its too late. well the consequences sucked bad when it happened with nazi germany, and it will suck bad with iran.

just wait until their leaders or a faction of fundamentalists succeeds in using a nuke on israel. martrying one arab country to destroy israel is a price many probably would pay. what will the world do then? sanctions? just how many cities do we nuke in return? but well, thats better than cracking down hard on them now. its a win win for the euros and co. to wait for disaster. dead jews, dead middle easteners. no biggie.
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So we should nuke Iran, so that we don't have to nuke Iran? Is that your message?
 
Gotta love it. Wingnuts foaming at the mouth to go to war with Iran, as if they had the vaguest idea what they're talking about, marching hypnotized in lockstep behind the Bushista banner... It's like a bad zombie army horror flick...

The first thing that happens is that the Iranians effectively close the strait of Hormuz to international shipping, preventing delivery of 40% of the world's oil supply... the results of that are utterly incalculable.

It's time for the US to wake up from our undeserved collective guilt trip about the holocaust and come to grips with the reality of Israel and how their influence has warped our foreign policy in ways not beneficial to America, at all. When we quit defending and enabling their slow motion version of Lebensraum and ghettoization of the Palestinians, they'll have to come to terms with it themselves. When that happens, real peace could be in the offing. Until then, we're just perpetuating the problem, endorsing sectarian expropriation and repression, on the basis that the perps are hebrew, and therefore deserve their own country... carved out of the property of their neighbors, of course...
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Gotta love it. Wingnuts foaming at the mouth to go to war with Iran, as if they had the vaguest idea what they're talking about, marching hypnotized in lockstep behind the Bushista banner... It's like a bad zombie army horror flick...

The first thing that happens is that the Iranians effectively close the strait of Hormuz to international shipping, preventing delivery of 40% of the world's oil supply... the results of that are utterly incalculable.

It's time for the US to wake up from our undeserved collective guilt trip about the holocaust and come to grips with the reality of Israel and how their influence has warped our foreign policy in ways not beneficial to America, at all. When we quit defending and enabling their slow motion version of Lebensraum and ghettoization of the Palestinians, they'll have to come to terms with it themselves. When that happens, real peace could be in the offing. Until then, we're just perpetuating the problem, endorsing sectarian expropriation and repression, on the basis that the perps are hebrew, and therefore deserve their own country... carved out of the property of their neighbors, of course...
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Nicely summed up. However, I don't think it's an easy task. American foreign policy has been regulated far too long by the Jewish lobby in the U.S. and they cry bloody antisemitic murder everytime this is pointed out or discussed openly.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Yes, the situation with Iran has become critical because Bushes approval ratings are in the toilet.
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what an assinine statement. the whole world has come to the conclusion something must be done about the mad Iranian.
If you listen to half the statements the Iranian president makes , any sane man would be seeking an answer to prevent him from developing nuclear weapons.
Personally I would hate to see a military option. I think its time europe stopped talking and got down to buisness if that were my neighbor I would be sweating it a little.
 
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: techs
Yes, the situation with Iran has become critical because Bushes approval ratings are in the toilet.
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what an assinine statement. the whole world has come to the conclusion something must be done about the mad Iranian.
If you listen to half the statements the Iranian president makes , any sane man would be seeking an answer to prevent him from developing nuclear weapons.
Personally I would hate to see a military option. I think its time europe stopped talking and got down to buisness if that were my neighbor I would be sweating it a little.
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Wow, do you really think that ANYONE else would care what the Iranian's are doing (what ARE they doing, BTW) if we weren't bribing/bullying them into it? Maybe you've been in a coma since March 2003 and just woke up a month ago, but this is playing out the say way as the spool-up to attacking piss poor, never-posed-a-threat-to-us Iraq.

With a few people like you still around (truly amazing), supporting ANYTHING Bush says, the Iranian's would be STUPID if they weren't trying to build a bomb, ASAP.

 
Originally posted by: strummer
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'm all for using Nukes than our troops.

No worries about IED's when the area is glass.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. This isn't a video game.

Iraq was the greatest strategic error in our nation's history. Using nukes on Iran will trump that mistake 10-fold. This will only stregthen and embolden the radical elements throughout the Middle East. The southern third of Iraq will instantly become just as dangerous as Baghdad and the Triangle. The lid on radical Islam will be blown off in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. And the irony of using nukes to stop Iran from getting nukes is priceless.

Republicans and conservatives are a bunch of fools and idiots. You want war with Iran then you go sign up, train, and get ready to stand at post in a shithole in the desert for the next 10 years. I want the people that I know and love that are over there right now home safe. You and your conservative warmongering keyboard brethen can take their place and get ready for the meat grinder that this Iran folly would unleash. Idiots.
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The greatest military victory in history, partly due to extremely limited civilian impact based on previous wars.
 
Originally posted by: surreal1221
I knew I could come to ATPN and get some jive on this. Scary ******, especially knowing that I could die because of this Administrations lies. Rediculous.
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you will die regardless of what this administration, or any other, does in the world. sorry to break that to ya...

dont be skerrrd.
 
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