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US considers jailing hackers for life

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Harvey

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Story on ZDNet UK.
Malicious computer hackers may get life imprisonment in the US if a new bill is passed by the Senate

A last-minute addition to a proposal for a Department of Homeland Security would punish malicious computer hackers with life in prison.

The US House of Representatives on Wednesday evening voted 299 to 121 to approve the bill, which would reshape large portions of the federal bureaucracy into a new department combining parts of 22 existing federal agencies, including the Secret Service, the Coast Guard, and the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Centre.
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Personally, I think wWe can do better. I'm developing a program that senses the hacker's intent before he acts. It will require everyone to get a new keyboard with embedded telepathic sensors. When your system senses alicious intentions, it calls up a gigantic hand that reaches through the screen and chokes the perp. It then wipes his hard drive and burns the room in which the machine is located.

Of course, it will only run on the latest update of XP, so the Feds will enact legislation mandating that everyone uses only that OS and uses the one and only government approved ISP, www.ashcroft_ist_furher.com. :Q
 
i bet they'll define "malicious hackers" so broad as to include somebody running a p2p client or something
 
What we need to do is clear some of those murderers and rapists out to make room for these evil "hackers".

Also, what do they consider "hacking"? My guess is that any process performed on a computer that a congressman doesn't understand is considered hacking. Perhaps possession of a "telnet" program is evidence of "hacker" activity.
 
I think it's good that they are cracking down and actually trying to punish them with jail time. It scares me though that they are filing it under the Homeland Security Department. It really does scare me.
 
Originally posted by: vi_edit
I think it's good that they are cracking down and actually trying to punish them with jail time. It scares me though that they are filing it under the Homeland Security Department. It really does scare me.
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As opposed to keeping them in jail for several years while treating them poorly and denying them access to the evidence that will be used against them in court whenever they decide to haul them in?
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
What we need to do is clear some of those murderers and rapists out to make room for these evil "hackers".

Also, what do they consider "hacking"? My guess is that any process performed on a computer that a congressman doesn't understand is considered hacking. Perhaps possession of a "telnet" program is evidence of "hacker" activity.
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Actually, someone from ATOT had posted that "having telnet is the first step in hacking" (paraphrased), so that's not too far off base 😉
 
I guess one of my biggest concerns is that a huge majority of viruses, concentrated attacks, and "hacks" are coming from other countries that either a) don't have any laws to stop it or b) flat out give a flying fart about stopping it.

A large portion of the problem isn't even coming from "the homeland".
 
As opposed to keeping them in jail for several years while treating them poorly and denying them access to the evidence that will be used against them in court whenever they decide to haul them in?
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Huh? I'm not following your point.
 
Originally posted by: vi_edit
As opposed to keeping them in jail for several years while treating them poorly and denying them access to the evidence that will be used against them in court whenever they decide to haul them in?
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Huh? I'm not following your point.
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Originally posted by: vi_edit
I think it's good that they are cracking down and actually trying to punish them with jail time. It scares me though that they are filing it under the Homeland Security Department. It really does scare me.
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Previously several "hackers" were jailed and treated unfairly. Hopefully with the new law they will get better treatment.

The homeland security stuff is scary. Most of it is just there to help out our wonderful government in watching our every move instead of protecting us.
 
Originally posted by: vi_edit
As opposed to keeping them in jail for several years while treating them poorly and denying them access to the evidence that will be used against them in court whenever they decide to haul them in?
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Huh? I'm not following your point.
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Two words:
Kevin Mitnick

There are other cases, but his is the best publicized
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Personally, I think wWe can do better. I'm developing a program that senses the hacker's intent before he acts. It will require everyone to get a new keyboard with embedded telepathic sensors. When your system senses alicious intentions, it calls up a gigantic hand that reaches through the screen and chokes the perp. It then wipes his hard drive and burns the room in which the machine is located.

Of course, it will only run on the latest update of XP, so the Feds will enact legislation mandating that everyone uses only that OS and uses the one and only government approved ISP, www.ashcroft_ist_furher.com. :Q
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I know just the guy to run it, too. Nice guy, name of Anderton.

That ISP site seems to be down, though. Hope it wasn't hacked.
 
Originally posted by: Millennium
Harvey, is there a way to see who voted for this bill?
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A friend sent me the link, and I thought it was interesting enough to post, but I don't have any more info. The vote was 299 to 121, so I guess the answer is, most of them..

 
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: BoberFett
What we need to do is clear some of those murderers and rapists out to make room for these evil "hackers".

Also, what do they consider "hacking"? My guess is that any process performed on a computer that a congressman doesn't understand is considered hacking. Perhaps possession of a "telnet" program is evidence of "hacker" activity.
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Actually, someone from ATOT had posted that "having telnet is the first step in hacking" (paraphrased), so that's not too far off base 😉
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If that's the case, then about 99.9% of computer users are potential hackers. IIRC, Win9x/NT/2000/Xp come with a telnet client.
 
Huh? I'm not following your point.
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He is simply saying that you just go out and put someone in legirons put them in detention call them a threat to national security, do not give them any look at the evidence or allow them to talk to a atty. This is going on you know dont you?

Bleep
 
If anything we need hax0rz. You'll never have gov folks who are as smart as the 1337 haxerz. May be a point in the future where you'll need these guys for something. Better to have them around and current on technology than locked in a cell for life.
 
Originally posted by: kt

If that's the case, then about 99.9% of computer users are potential hackers. IIRC, Win9x/NT/2000/Xp come with a telnet client.
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Raw socket access makes 100% of Windows XP users potential hackers. I sure hope the new bill differentiates between initiation of the hacking and having your system used in a hack attempt. Fortunately, I think our tech-savvy Congress has covered all those angles.
 
And I don't see where I was suggesting that somebody be imprisioned without due process. Hence, my fear of filing this under the homeland security.
 
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