US Capture of Bin Laden close

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think he just might be the October surprise.

I thought he was supposed to be the end of July suprise? :roll:

WHEN he is caught you guys will all say it was a conspiracy in the timing...but whatever - carry on.

CsG

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: conjur
Right on cue due to the criticisms leveled at the RNC for ignoring bin Laden.

They are hardly "ignoring" bin Laden, there has been active military operations to find and capture him since 2001. They just havent been talking about said operations.

A few thousand troops scurrying about in Afghanistan with the bulk of those providing security in the cities?

Bush, himself, has said bin Laden is no longer a priority. Now, because we're nearing the election, the Bush campaign will strut out some high-ranking officials bleating some memo handed to them by Rove beating the drums of war against bin Laden again.


Phooey.

Kerry never mentioned Bin Laden in his speech. Guess he isn't planning on doing anything about it.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think he just might be the October surprise.

I thought he was supposed to be the end of July suprise? :roll:

WHEN he is caught you guys will all say it was a conspiracy in the timing...but whatever - carry on.

CsG

No that was that other Al-queada guy that Bush had and only notified the press when there was the Dem. convention...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think he just might be the October surprise.

I thought he was supposed to be the end of July suprise? :roll:

WHEN he is caught you guys will all say it was a conspiracy in the timing...but whatever - carry on.

CsG

No that was that other Al-queada guy that Bush had and only notified the press when there was the Dem. convention...

Oh...right...sorry, my tinfoil wasn't on when I read this thread. It's on now so go ahead - theorize away...

CsG

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think he just might be the October surprise.

I thought he was supposed to be the end of July suprise? :roll:

WHEN he is caught you guys will all say it was a conspiracy in the timing...but whatever - carry on.

CsG

As ususal, you assume too much.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I think he just might be the October surprise.

I thought he was supposed to be the end of July suprise? :roll:

WHEN he is caught you guys will all say it was a conspiracy in the timing...but whatever - carry on.

CsG

As ususal, you assume too much.

No, I just know how things work with you guys. Keep setting the stage for something to happen so then when it happens - you can jump in with your - "see - look at the timing" conspiracies. It's happened before - and the setup for it again is clear as day. But whatever - I enjoy hearing about conspiracies

CsG

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Train
its funny how some people assume that if something is not in the news its not happening. Like anyone here knows what operations have been carried out in Afghanistan and Pakistan over the past 3 years by watching TV.

I havent seen a shuttle launch on TV since 1986, does that mean there havent been any?
Wake up people, TV only gives you a small percentage of the information out there.

That certainly gets my vote for the Most Idiotic Analogy of the Year Award!

LOL, hehe yeah. that WAS stupid beyond belief.*can't stop laughing*

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
WTF? I didnt say anything like that. Im not laying the blame elsewhere, they are an ALLY of the US and they have arrested hundreds of terrorists and other al qaeda suspects. They will however NOT LET the US use military force in their country against warlords in their ungoverned sections. If the US had the authorization of Pakistan to go into ungoverned regions, the US would likely find a whole hell of a lot of wanted people. However in the process Pakistans govt would be over run, and we create even more problems.

Pakistan has more to lose from Al Qaeda sticking around than we do - I would be surprised if they didn't do everything in their power to end them ASAP, including let our soldiers in. I read a while ago that taking control of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were their top two goals - Saudi Arabia for religious/economic reasons and Pakistan for nukes. Even if we have to step on toes in Pakistan, we can't let them fall for this reason.

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Question for Bush Boys: if you found out Bush had delayed the capture or news of the capture of Bin Laden, would you still vote for him?

And there was a thread about how Bin Laden didn't fund 9/11 as was widely thought. His importance should be less important now...

I think he just might be the October surprise.

Yes, I'd still vote for him. I don't care if he does try to use his capture for political means, as long as he's getting the job done. At this point though, I'd assume he'd let the cat out of the bag as soon as possible.

I've thought for a while that it's entirely possible he's already been caught. Either that, or someone stole their camcorder.

Originally posted by: glenn1
While I understand your POV and somewhat agree with your analysis of the benefit of that approach. However, I also realize that keeping him in jail would raise the possibility of people trying to commit terrorist acts to bargain for his release. I also don't care for the idea that a President could pardon him and he'd be free as a bird.

So perhaps if we do capture him, we ought to create an endless loop video of him sitting in "jail" and feed of that released to the public, and in reality taken him out to sea, wrapped his body in an anchor chain, locked it with a padlock, and dropped him into the Pacific Ocean.

Nah... I believe we're still scheduled to put someone on Mars before too long. Better to have a test subject first.

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, I just know how things work with you guys. Keep setting the stage for something to happen so then when it happens - you can jump in with your - "see - look at the timing" conspiracies. It's happened before - and the setup for it again is clear as day. But whatever - I enjoy hearing about conspiracies

CsG

It's ok, they're just trying to Poison the Well in case he does get caught.

 

[going5hole]

It's pretty disgusting how some of you here don't even bother to say "hey, just catch him, no matter how long it takes", and instead turn it into some sort of half baked conspiracy laden troll.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: going5hole
It's pretty disgusting how some of you here don't even bother to say "hey, just catch him, no matter how long it takes", and instead turn it into some sort of half baked conspiracy laden troll.

Well, people knew a couple years ago that he'd be caught just about time for Bush's reelection and voila, he it is (maybe). Amazing, eh? Don't you think it's just a little suspicious? Just a little?

 

[going5hole]

Who cares about the timing of it? Isn't the most important thing that he's caught? Some of you seem so blind in your ABB-hate, that you've forgotten that. And what people "knew" he'd be caught right before the election? Don't you mean some people speculated that it would happen? Because, until he's caught, that's all it is, speculation.

 

[raildogg]

They said this a few years ago in Tora Bora and we screwed it up there. Lets see how this turns out.

Pakistan is playing dirty games with us -- on one hand they are supposed to be our friends and yet they support terrorists and harbor them. Bush is making a HUGE mistake by calling Pakistan our ally

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: raildogg
They said this a few years ago in Tora Bora and we screwed it up there. Lets see how this turns out.

Pakistan is playing dirty games with us -- on one hand they are supposed to be our friends and yet they support terrorists and harbor them. Bush is making a HUGE mistake by calling Pakistan our ally

Must agree there. Clinton got burned by them before but fool us once, shame on you. Fool me...We can't get fooled again.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: raildogg
They said this a few years ago in Tora Bora and we screwed it up there. Lets see how this turns out.

Pakistan is playing dirty games with us -- on one hand they are supposed to be our friends and yet they support terrorists and harbor them. Bush is making a HUGE mistake by calling Pakistan our ally

Must agree there. Clinton got burned by them before but fool us once, shame on you. Fool me...We can't get fooled again.

Even if you forget about the terrorist supporting aspects within the Pakistani govt., we cant forget about its nuke proliferation. Pakistan has sold nuke tech to N Korea and IRAN.

Bush wants to make Pakistan a non-Nato major ally, what is the reasoning behind this? It is really pathetic, IMO

 

[cpumaster]

Even if OBL is caught, I'd still vote against Bush. I don't vote based on one event, but based on my judgement on the entire 4 yrs period of his term, his success and failure, judging how good he grasped all the problem he is facing. Right now the scale is tipped heavily against him that not even OBL capture would change that.

 

[Red Dawn]

To quote Bill Nmaher " The Capture of Bin Laden will effect Al Qaeda as much as Ray Croc dying effected McDonalds" He just got the ball rolling, we gave it momentum by invading Iraq.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Pakistan has more to lose from Al Qaeda sticking around than we do - I would be surprised if they didn't do everything in their power to end them ASAP, including let our soldiers in. I read a while ago that taking control of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were their top two goals - Saudi Arabia for religious/economic reasons and Pakistan for nukes. Even if we have to step on toes in Pakistan, we can't let them fall for this reason.

Have to disagree there. Pakistan is also playing a game with us. They snag some AQ people and say "See, we're doing a good job. Could do a much better job with more military hardware. How about it?" And we send them more hardware. I don't think they want the golden goose to die too soon.

 

[DZip]

Heaven forbid that we are successful in capturing Bid Laden. It would be just one more major success in the war on terror. I read on this forum and in the media that blame America and in particular, blame President Bush for the attacks against Americans. I can understand why the Muslim terrorist want America to fail, but why do Americans want America to fail?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: DZip
Heaven forbid that we are successful in capturing Bid Laden. It would be just one more major success in the war on terror. I read on this forum and in the media that blame America and in particular, blame President Bush for the attacks against Americans. I can understand why the Muslim terrorist want America to fail, but why do Americans want America to fail?

Where do you get the impression that Americans want America to fail and where do you get the impression that a significant percentage of Americans blame the Dub for 9/11? Regarding Bin Laden, as time goes by the significance of his capture diminishes with each day he is free.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: DZip
Heaven forbid that we are successful in capturing Bid Laden. It would be just one more major success in the war on terror. I read on this forum and in the media that blame America and in particular, blame President Bush for the attacks against Americans. I can understand why the Muslim terrorist want America to fail, but why do Americans want America to fail?

Talk about distorting sentiments. Americans DON'T want Americans to fail. Americans want the US Gov't to stop playing "Risk" with real countries.

 

[conjur]

The page isn't working now but I had it for a second:

Pakistan dismisses US's Bin Laden claims - Independent Online - 4 hours ago

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php...%3Dqw1094447342614B212

Islamabad - Pakistan on Monday rejected as "politicking" a United States official's weekend claim that Osama bin Laden was close to being captured.

"He can say this, but we have no sound information. This is a political statement," Rashid said.

The US state department official in charge of counter-terrorism affairs, Joseph Cofer Black, told local Geo television on Saturday that the forces pursuing the al-Qaeda chief had gotten closer to him in the past two months.

"If he has a watch, he should be looking at it because the clock is ticking. He will be caught," Black said in the television interview.

'This is a political statement'
"What I tell people, I would be surprised but not necessarily shocked if we wake up tomorrow and he's been caught along with all his lieutenants. That can happen because of the programme and infrastructure in place."

Rashid however said no new information had come to light, despite a rash of high-profile al-Qaeda arrests which began mid-July.

"I think there is no confirmed information about him. We have no knowledge. Maybe Black has. We exchange our information but we have no new information," the minister said.

"There has been no change in the information since then."

Bin Laden is believed to be hiding on one side of the mountainous 2nbsp;450km frontier between Afghanistan and Pakistan, where conservative Pashtun tribes hostile to the United States are sympathetic to Islamic extremists.

He was last known to be in the Tora Bora mountains on the Afghan side of the border in December 2001, where US-led forces staged one of their final offensives in the campaign to topple the five-year Taliban regime. - Sapa-AFP

 

[Czar]

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php...id=qw1094447342614B212
a working link

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Bin Laden's health is already questionable and make no mistake he already has his successor waiting in the wings when he passes away. Capturing him won't end the war on terror, and I doubt it will be much of a blow to Al Qaeda at this point. They are growing stronger and stronger each day now.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: DZip
Heaven forbid that we are successful in capturing Bid Laden. It would be just one more major success in the war on terror. I read on this forum and in the media that blame America and in particular, blame President Bush for the attacks against Americans. I can understand why the Muslim terrorist want America to fail, but why do Americans want America to fail?

I think it's only until the elections. After that, everyone will start cheering for the home team again.

 

[raildogg]

Another bull krap coming out of Pakistan. This is the same country that said a "high leve'" official was caught or was going to be caught a few months back. Well they didnt catch anyone.

This is the same country that harbors thousands of al qaeda and taliban, I dont trust anything to come from Pakistan. And i wont get into the thousands of madrasas that teach extremist views to kids.