US-Brit war killed 55,000 Iraqi civilians

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: sward666
The morons at Al Jazeera didn't even read the report.

Coalition combatant total: 394; Iraqi civilians total: 7,757-9,565; Iraqi combatants estimates range from 13,500-45,000. This brings the death toll between March 20-October 20, 2003 to between 21,700 and 55,000.

Medact Report

Once again for those who haven't been reading. They either as sward666 said did not read the report or more likely in my opinion they did read it and chose to totally fabricate their numbers anyway. The numbers in that report aren't anything new. They match up fairly close to other Iraqi casualty reports that i have seen over the past couple of months.

 

[308nato]

Originally posted by: Pers

Originally posted by: ElFenix
I guess they'd rather be alive than free. Poor dumb bastards.

hah... since when do texans have the right to call any other group of people dumb?

Since it was a line from movie spoken by an actor portraying a black grunt from Alabama, I fear fenix the Texan is not the dumb one here.

 

[Bulk Beef]

They either as sward666 said did not read the report or more likely in my opinion they did read it and chose to totally fabricate their numbers anyway.

I actually think they read the report too, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and not calling them outright liars. Why, I don't know. It took me two minutes to google "Medact" (first link), find the report (linked on their homepage), download the report, and find the figures in the report (pgs. 4, 6; table 2).

 

[Tab]

War comes with out innocent lives lost? Why is everyone so surprised?

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Pers
I find it interesting that you guys repeatedly question the credibility of Al Jazeera, even though it's partly owned by Qatar's government. And we all know Qatar's government is one of many other US endorsed puppet regimes in the region.

CNN is owned by American's. And it's the most liberally biased anti-american news source around.
So WTF is your point?

I find it interesting that anybody would be stupid enough to actually believe anything Al Jazeera says. They are a pure anti-american pro-terrorist propaganda machine.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Tabb
War comes with out innocent lives lost? Why is everyone so surprised?

Because lives lost in initiating and waging an unjustifed war = murder imo.

This is the case whether or not the lives lost are iraqi civilians or iraqi nationals in the military defending (as well as forced to defend) their own sovereignty. This is also the case for all of the american lives lost and all other "coalition" troups. We have a murderous president as far as I'm concerned.

You can not justify murder under the pretext of war.

 

[Doboji]

It's easy to take death out of context... In reality tens of thousands of people died in the conflict in Iraq. At first glance that statement in and of itself is horrible. But it's not like tens of thousands weren't dying before the war, and it's not clear as of yet whether or not, in the long run, Iraqis will live better lives.

If we stick it out and do the right thing in Iraq, and if the people of Iraq do indeed do better... then they did not die in vain. That does not make these deaths "ok", there is no such thing as an "ok" death... even when it comes to enemy soldiers... but old age isn't "ok" either... but there's nothing we can do about that either.

-Max

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: sward666
The morons at Al Jazeera didn't even read the report.

Coalition combatant total: 394; Iraqi civilians total: 7,757-9,565; Iraqi combatants estimates range from 13,500-45,000. This brings the death toll between March 20-October 20, 2003 to between 21,700 and 55,000.

Medact Report

worse then fox news:disgust:

 

[QmarGustav]

My mother used to say, 'you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet'..

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Too bad she did not break the one that turned into you. Good bye, again.

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[McCarthy]

When asked about the mass deaths in the Ukraine during the Moscow-created famine of the 1930s, Joe Stalin remarked "To make an omelet, you have to break a few eggs."

No offense to your mom, I doubt she realizes she's using a Stalinism.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Pers

Originally posted by: ElFenix
I guess they'd rather be alive than free. Poor dumb bastards.

hah... since when do texans have the right to call any other group of people dumb?

you really need to watch full metal jacket

 

[CaptnKirk]

Responsible hunters eat their kills.

 

[VioletAura]

But at least we got them back for 9/11!!! Oh, wait... wasn't them...

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
small price to pay for Freedom.

...you poor, uneducated individual...

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
small price to pay for Freedom.

...you poor, uneducated individual...

500,000 americans died in the civil war to end slavery.

tens of millions died in ww2 for their freedom.

50k?

 

[Mardeth]

So 3,000 US citizen are worth 55,000 iraqians, weightwise they probably do .


Just kiddin' dont get mad

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
small price to pay for Freedom.

...you poor, uneducated individual...

500,000 americans died in the civil war to end slavery.

tens of millions died in ww2 for their freedom.

50k?

The war for 'Freedom' was foisted upon them by a power that now governs. How free are they?

And unless you are aware, we live in more enlightened times, where it is not acceptable for 50,000 ppl to die, period. Quoting past conflicts does not excuse this one, no sir.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
small price to pay for Freedom.

...you poor, uneducated individual...

500,000 americans died in the civil war to end slavery.

tens of millions died in ww2 for their freedom.

50k?

I think you have your facts a little mixed up. Although slavery was an issue, it wasn't the reason for the war. And your comment about 10s of millions died for freedom, do I need to point out the flaw in that statement?

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Mardeth
So 3,000 US citizen are worth 55,000 iraqians, weightwise they probably do .


Just kiddin' dont get mad

Nice! I can do one better!

Here goes nothing:

Well Saddam was going to kill those 55,000 civilians anyway.

 

[DT4K]

You guys are acting as if those numbers are accurate.
The real toll is nowhere near that number.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
small price to pay for Freedom.

...you poor, uneducated individual...

500,000 americans died in the civil war to end slavery.

tens of millions died in ww2 for their freedom.

50k?

I think you have your facts a little mixed up. Although slavery was an issue, it wasn't the reason for the war. And your comment about 10s of millions died for freedom, do I need to point out the flaw in that statement?

I'm curious now, what is the flaw in the WW2 statistic. Estimates are around 40 million casualties. Obviously you could say that the German and Japanese numbers weren't "fighting for their freedom". But Russia certainly was and they lost roughly 10 million people.

 

[LunarRay]

IF the invasion was illegal. Then the word used should be 'homicide'. Every death that occurred following an illegal act would be a homicide.
Not-with-standing the benefit that may inure to the Iraqi survivors, IF the invasion was illegal that benefit of the 'war' then carries the stigma of illegality which, unfortunately only attach's to us and the Brits.

There are deaths too numerous to count that occured in the civilian population the result of disease from the absence of drinkable water and other health issues directly related to the disruption of the civilian infrastructure.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
IF the invasion was illegal. Then the word used should be 'homicide'. Every death that occurred following an illegal act would be a homicide.
Not-with-standing the benefit that may inure to the Iraqi survivors, IF the invasion was illegal that benefit of the 'war' then carries the stigma of illegality which, unfortunately only attach's to us and the Brits.

There are deaths too numerous to count that occured in the civilian population the result of disease from the absence of drinkable water and other health issues directly related to the disruption of the civilian infrastructure.

So how do you compare that to the number of Iraqi's that would have been executed in the same time period for suspected anti-saddam activities.