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US Black AIDS rates rival African nations
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:roll: Oh, well, that's different! Pretending daddy isn't around in order to defraud the gov't sends a great message to kids!
I have no idea how many black families do have both a mother and father figure present in the household but are either unwed or unreported, but I'd be very interested to know. And really, are either of those situations that much better? They're certainly not much more stable. A child needs a father who's there EVERY DAY, not just days when he feels like getting some from the baby momma or remembers to drop off the support check.
Not every family unit is declining, though the unwed birthrate is climbing for most races. The Asian-American family unit is still relatively stable, and they're the most successful (based on median household income) - shocking coincidence, no?
sportage
Lifer
My point simply is... kids and anyone sexual active are not hearing about Aids in America.
Yeah, they might know better or should know better if they lived thru the 1980's, but many did not.
I wonder if the younger kids between 14 and 21 really truly know what Aids is or what it can do.
Every time you hear of Aids, it has Africa attached to it.
Is it any wonder 14 - 21 year olds may not know they should fear getting Hiv?
After all, its a "gay" thing...Right?
Some kid 17 years old having heterosexual sex surely shouldn?t fear Aids... Right?
Many of you sound like you remember the horror of the 1980's.
You really expect some kid of 14-21 years to think that way?
Sex is a pretty overwhelming force of nature.
Its easy to make poor decisions when a guy is attracted to that
popular cute chick in class. Surely "she" or "he" would not be hiv+...Right?
One of the most dangerous myths about HIV in America is it is treatable.
Many HIV doctors tell their patients it is a "manageable" illness, and one can
expect to live a normal life span. It is often compared to diabetes in that it
is a "manageable" illness.
What you never hear is that most hiv treatments are, in themselves, pretty hard to manage.
I've heard it compared to the likes of taking Chemo treatments every day for the
rest of your life.
Then, you don?t hear of the rashes, pains, aches, heart problems, liver problems and depression
that most of the treatments cause as their side effect.
Its not easy being 21 years old and feeling like your 70 years old, each and every day.
You may have gained time against hiv via modern medicine, only to fall victim
of heart disease or liver failure.
Yeah, they might know better or should know better if they lived thru the 1980's, but many did not.
I wonder if the younger kids between 14 and 21 really truly know what Aids is or what it can do.
Every time you hear of Aids, it has Africa attached to it.
Is it any wonder 14 - 21 year olds may not know they should fear getting Hiv?
After all, its a "gay" thing...Right?
Some kid 17 years old having heterosexual sex surely shouldn?t fear Aids... Right?
Many of you sound like you remember the horror of the 1980's.
You really expect some kid of 14-21 years to think that way?
Sex is a pretty overwhelming force of nature.
Its easy to make poor decisions when a guy is attracted to that
popular cute chick in class. Surely "she" or "he" would not be hiv+...Right?
One of the most dangerous myths about HIV in America is it is treatable.
Many HIV doctors tell their patients it is a "manageable" illness, and one can
expect to live a normal life span. It is often compared to diabetes in that it
is a "manageable" illness.
What you never hear is that most hiv treatments are, in themselves, pretty hard to manage.
I've heard it compared to the likes of taking Chemo treatments every day for the
rest of your life.
Then, you don?t hear of the rashes, pains, aches, heart problems, liver problems and depression
that most of the treatments cause as their side effect.
Its not easy being 21 years old and feeling like your 70 years old, each and every day.
You may have gained time against hiv via modern medicine, only to fall victim
of heart disease or liver failure.
cubeless
Diamond Member
and u would be preaching to a single parent child who has been married for 28 years and rased 4 children... my family unit is ok, too...
how many asian families do u know personally? the ones i knew 25 years ago fit your description, but the ones i know now have dumb kids just like normal families... as soon as they've been in our society for a while they start acting like us... only the first gen people stick so much to the old stereotype in my experience...
and of course there will be some shining examples, but all the negative numbers for the family unit are rising overall...
*shrug*
Realize there are risks. Teach your kids yourself. Pressure schools to do a better job by volunteering and communicating a lot with the district. That's about all I am concerned with directly.
Any kind of shocking statistics should only be used as a tool to increase demand and interest for more funding towards a vaccine/cure. There isn't much else that we can do with them that is useful and progressive.
Realize there are risks. Teach your kids yourself. Pressure schools to do a better job by volunteering and communicating a lot with the district. That's about all I am concerned with directly.
Any kind of shocking statistics should only be used as a tool to increase demand and interest for more funding towards a vaccine/cure. There isn't much else that we can do with them that is useful and progressive.
wow, there is some serious racism in here - and a smattering of good points as well
A few thoughts - AIDS prevention in Africa is about two things - educating people about AIDS/HIV and providing tools to prevent it - ie condoms. Most of the money spent in Africa is actually for medicine for those already infected.
The simple fact of the matter, which no one has come out and said - is that black men, particularly young black men, here in the US - do not like using condoms. It's that basic. Black women don't 'force' their partners to use them, black men don't want to use them - presto - you have a disproportional percentage of blacks with AIDS.
When 1 out of 8 people in this country are black, but 1 out of every 2 people with AIDS are black - it's a story - yes, the title of this thread is misleading, but this is still a rather large issue that someone needs to address.
I have to comment on a few of the more racist quotes in here though, like:
"The family structure has completely broken down in the Black community. When that happens you have higher incidence of crime, pregnancy, stupid behavior, and lack of education."
The family structure has completely broken down in AMERICA - not just the black community - and I'm quite certain that crime, pregnancy, stupid behavior, and lack of education - are far from exclusive to blacks in this country.
A few thoughts - AIDS prevention in Africa is about two things - educating people about AIDS/HIV and providing tools to prevent it - ie condoms. Most of the money spent in Africa is actually for medicine for those already infected.
The simple fact of the matter, which no one has come out and said - is that black men, particularly young black men, here in the US - do not like using condoms. It's that basic. Black women don't 'force' their partners to use them, black men don't want to use them - presto - you have a disproportional percentage of blacks with AIDS.
When 1 out of 8 people in this country are black, but 1 out of every 2 people with AIDS are black - it's a story - yes, the title of this thread is misleading, but this is still a rather large issue that someone needs to address.
I have to comment on a few of the more racist quotes in here though, like:
"The family structure has completely broken down in the Black community. When that happens you have higher incidence of crime, pregnancy, stupid behavior, and lack of education."
The family structure has completely broken down in AMERICA - not just the black community - and I'm quite certain that crime, pregnancy, stupid behavior, and lack of education - are far from exclusive to blacks in this country.
m1ldslide1
Platinum Member
Thank you for setting up my real question: why are these idiots causing themselves to be infected? Why are they causing themselves to end up in prison? Why are they causing themselves to live below poverty? Those of you (which is most) who feel like black americans are entirely to blame for all of these problems - I ask you why they would choose to do these things? Why would people who have darker skin choose to have a broken culture? Please explain why you feel people of darker skin make so many more poor choices than people of your skin color. I'd really like for someone to explain this.
Here is another thread that won't go anywhere.
All the self hate of centuries were dumped on black people. They carry, generally speaking, a larger burden and their communities are particularly infected, they carry an untreated centuries long mental illness with statistically measurable effects. People who hate themselves destroy themselves on a curve. The greater the exposure to put-downs as a child, the greater the pathological acting out. Black people are the canary in the mine. We hate them because they tell us who we are.
White people fucked over blacks, but because white people are also infected, they will accept none of the guilt. People who hate themselves never take responsibility for anything. They just point to people who are worse off and say look how irresponsible he is.
But if the better off don't help the worse off, we will all go in the ditch. That, of course, is exactly were we feel we deserve to be. We are all great defenders of truth and racial greatness as we swirl around the toilet bowl on our turds, all going down the sewer together is one big war.
The ***** is who you are regardless of color. It's who you feel you are, but poor stupid ass that you are, you can't muster the fortitude to see this. I don't hate myself. Oh sure, the whole of the cosmos is explained if it were true, but it just can't be. Hehe. Because of your denial your children will one day cease to be.
All the self hate of centuries were dumped on black people. They carry, generally speaking, a larger burden and their communities are particularly infected, they carry an untreated centuries long mental illness with statistically measurable effects. People who hate themselves destroy themselves on a curve. The greater the exposure to put-downs as a child, the greater the pathological acting out. Black people are the canary in the mine. We hate them because they tell us who we are.
White people fucked over blacks, but because white people are also infected, they will accept none of the guilt. People who hate themselves never take responsibility for anything. They just point to people who are worse off and say look how irresponsible he is.
But if the better off don't help the worse off, we will all go in the ditch. That, of course, is exactly were we feel we deserve to be. We are all great defenders of truth and racial greatness as we swirl around the toilet bowl on our turds, all going down the sewer together is one big war.
The ***** is who you are regardless of color. It's who you feel you are, but poor stupid ass that you are, you can't muster the fortitude to see this. I don't hate myself. Oh sure, the whole of the cosmos is explained if it were true, but it just can't be. Hehe. Because of your denial your children will one day cease to be.
Im going to have to call your bluff on that one. African immigrants lead "Asiey" and "Whitey" when it comes to educational attainment in the U.S.A. and Europe. On another note as the poster below you states the Family Structure is Broken in AMERICA. Some causes simply cant be controlled such as more women in the work place and American families NEEDING two salaries in this day and age.
As far as HIV in and Africans Americans. I have yet to read a study that dives into the REASON such rates are high. Sure we can see statistics but we know the Effects. Not-a-one study that i have read speaks of the causes. Heterosexual sex between two health mates would had to be preformed a few THOUSAND times for a man to contract HIV from a woman. Drug usage across all races is pretty much uniform.
In Africa, other diseases and opens sores on genitalia are major contributing factors to a high HIV rate (which in some cases is not high at all as it COULD be falsely measured and by body weight or bone density and other idiotic tests and NOT a true HIV blood test or mouth swab.) As far as i know African Americans do not have such issues with Additional diseases and open sores as compared to Continental Africans.....Havent seen any raw data though.
We need raw data that shows more frequent sex between African Americans as opposed to other races. I doubt that you will find it. We do find that They use protection less frequent. Then again who knows. I read recently in NYT that NY'ers user protection about "half the time" Thats NYC the largest city in the U.S. Also we need raw data to suggest that African Americans are engaging in more non-heterosexual sex than other races. I am not sure if you would even find that. I would assumee that there are more Homosexual White men than black but i don't have data to state that as fact. Another thread spoke of HPV and i believe they quoted an infection rate in the U.S. of close to 50%. That tells you something of other peoples sexual practices - IT is human. Humans have babies, you cant user protection and still have babies.
I do believe that our prison population has a lot to do with it. I dont know how common homosex is in Prison.
earlier article
there was a piece the NYT did a few years back about young gay black men leading basically double lives because of the macho image that young black men tend to uphold. they'd have anonymous sex and no real relationship because they didn't want anyone to know, but then they'd also have a beard.
blackangst1
Lifer
Im not implying anything here, but if someone intentionally runs his hand through a band saw, he's stupid, not ignorant. If someone sticks their hand on to a hot stove burner, theyre stupid, not ignorant. If someone intentionally points a gun at their head and pulls the trigger, theyre stupid, not ignorant.
If someone knowingly has unprotected sex theyre stupid, not ignorant. Why one particular race exhibits more acts of stupidity than another is beyond me. We certainly cant make generalizations. Other than theyre stupid, of course.
jonks
Lifer
I didn't mention a couple of levels, that was Kadarin, but he was right. Another level would be the fact that people who don't have Aids are generally unaware they are having sex with someone who does have Aids. So screaming at people to "STOP HAVING SEX WITH OTHER PEOPLE WITH AIDS" is fairly redundant advice.
Fern
Elite Member
I think his point is well made, even if simple and direct. So, I disagree with those of you who contend to the contrary.
Quote from opening sentence in article in OP:
The point of this thread is about *getting* AIDS, not about a cure (so that is largely irrelevant).
And AIDS is primarily spread through unprotected sex with an infected partner. So yes, the answer/solution is simple - stop doing it.
As to whether a partner may or may not have it, tests can determine that.
High infection rates among certain segments of the population indicate certain lifestyle choices for the most part. Adjust the lifesytle choice of that segment, problem of infection rate is mostly solved.
Fern
Double Trouble
Elite Member
Yes, it's the same as with people who bought houses they couldn't afford and are now in trouble: their own stupidity gets them in trouble, I see no reason to have to bail them out.
Equality of outcome should not be the goal outcome of society, equality of opportunity is what matters. Choices that people make are their own responsibility, not mine, not someone else's, not society.
That's the difference with people who actually care and want to make the situation better - they may (or may not) agree with you but they then say, how do we make it better?[/quote]
The problem with those who "actually care and want to make the situation better" is that they don't realize that you can't fix stupid, and trying to do so usually ends up with more government waste, more government interference, more rules to inconvenience those that are not stupid. Someone is stupid enough to try to rinse their mouth with drano, and we now have stupid warning stickers telling people not to drink the stuff. Sheesh. They don't want to stop the destructive behavior itself ("people will have sex no matter what you do, including unprotected sex!"), but they want to remove the consequences of stupid behavior. Well guess what, when it comes to AIDS there is no way to escape the consequences (for now). When and if that changes, I'm sure there will be plenty of other ways people will do stupid things to self destruct.
Double Trouble
Elite Member
Well lets see. Why do people smoke? Why do people eat burgers and get fat when it gives them heart attacks? Why do people do stupid things? I don't know why people do stupid things, but the fact is that they do, and each and every person is responsible for their own stupid actions, including me. However, kids born into a broken setup (no father, welfare mother etc) are basically behind the 8 ball from the start, and are much more likely to make stupid decisions. I wish I had an answer for how to stop that cycle, but I don't. I have no problem holding people accountable for their actions, but the kids have no choice about starting out life in that situation.
How the heck would I know why people make dumb choices? It's certainly not an issue of race, since I simply don't believe any race makes better choices than another. It's a socio-economic and cultural problem. Neither of those can be changed by a government or any external force, those within the culture have to make the choices, nobody else can do that for them.
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