US Army accused of burning Taliban terrorists

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: asadasif

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: asadasif

OK, I'll ask you then. I have asked this before and have never gotten an answer. Why don't the good Muslims who hate this take care of business? If they had, we would have never had to enter the ME to fight. We tried to avoid it for some twenty years while they attacked our Embassies, ships and airplanes using Isreal as an excuse. I think that a read of the history of the region and eastern Europe will reflect that the crusades were responsive.

Someone's forgetting who supplied these very people (OBL) with weapons and training when it was to their advantage during the Soviet conflict in Afghanistan..... They were called war-heros at that time.... Keeping your eyes shut when it is to your own advantage and opening them just to bemoan the consequences of keeping your eyes shut garners no sympathy from me.

We know who trained them, al CIAda themselves.

Indeed! And when there was a proposal for cutting the budgets for CIA, they themselves created these threats to keep their cash flow coming nice and easy. Reaping the consequences of creating the vermin just shows that what goes around comes around. Majority of the conflicts in the Middle-East were hatched by the CIA. Now they are cited as reasons for getting even more fundings.

I am with you, granted I don't think the average american even knows 5% of CIA nastiness.

george bush, his father, nixon, reagan, osama bin laden, all those sleazebags have one thing in common, shady CIA dealings. :|

About time someone went in with a blowtorch and scattered all these rats.

I am sure we would learn a lot more about 9/11 once we got a grip on how much the CIA had to do with it.

 

[firewall]

I am with you, granted I don't think the average american even knows 5% of CIA nastiness.

The main methodology is to lie so much at such a large scale that a lie becomes a commonly accepted truth.

About time someone went in with a blowtorch and scattered all these rats.

I am sure we would learn a lot more about 9/11 once we got a grip on how much the CIA had to do with it.

:thumbsup::beer:

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: sandorski
....Saw the video on the news last night, interview withh the Australian reporter who covered the event. It's real alright, no more doubt about that.

Got a Link? the video linked above didnt prove a thing.

Link will likely be changed in a few hours

That's last nights newscast where I saw the video. You'll need to put up with some other stories first. Not sure how long it'll last before todays newscast takes its' place.

I watched the whole thing, and there was no mention of it. And they signed off as "Thats your news for Thursday Night" so thats "last night"

Still not a shred of proof.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: asadasif

I am with you, granted I don't think the average american even knows 5% of CIA nastiness.

The main methodology is to lie so much at such a large scale that a lie becomes a commonly accepted truth.

About time someone went in with a blowtorch and scattered all these rats.

I am sure we would learn a lot more about 9/11 once we got a grip on how much the CIA had to do with it.

:thumbsup::beer:

Listen most of the people that think this was wrong make very valid points. But the moment you start blaming the CIA for 9/11 you lose all legitimacy. The US government did not sacrafice 3000 lives and the entire economy to attack Iraq.. Got that????

 

[firewall]

The blame on CIA lies in the right place. People who live in the East get to watch media of both sides and can make much more informed decisions regarding who the blame lies with. Can that be said for the common American? The common American has been made to become so involved with their own lives and problems that they don't really know what happens in other parts of the world except what they see on TV news which presents only one side. There have been way too many cover-ups. I find it humorous and pitiful when they ask, "Why do they hate us so much?" with innocent, unknowing faces. The US government acted on false CIA reports (that has been proven in the media some time ago) and when they were proved false, the CIA director (not sure) was blamed and used as a scapegoat in an act to hide the false basis of the war. There are such things as unintended consequences which were the 3000 lives in the wtc case.

I had a lot of respect for America, it's people, it's freedom and it's values before Sept 11. I was not at all happy with how people lost their lives in that incident. However, the revenge on Afghanistan and the attack on Iraq made me lose my respect for America and it's people. I won't talk about freedom and values because that is a moot point. American people who take great pride in the US army taking many innocent lives in this region should not forget that they are common civilians just like the American civilians who lost their loved ones in 9/11. Differentiating the value of an American's life and blood and that of a non-US citizen has enraged these people. They have full right to be enraged.

I was shocked at how the media portrayed the Iraq war. The initial phase portrayed by the phrase "Shock and Awe " was frequently used. It was made out to be like a role playing computer game where you just click retry and you can resume from a saved game point with full health and no losses. When the bodies of American soldiers started coming in, the realization dawned that this was not just some game.

I have some online friends with whom I frequently interact in Ohio, Houston, SF, etc. I have found them to be good honest citizens. They are not to be blamed in any way. The blame firmly lies with agencies like CIA who use the lives of American citizens like trading chips for getting more funding to keep their pockets full and well-lined.

 

[Horus]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
CNN Link

The enemy has no problem burning, decapitating and killing innocent civilians and US military members. If this is a form of psychological warfare, I see no problem with it.. When dealing with suicidial maniacs all is fair, IMHO>

Do what the enemy does, become the enemy you hate so much.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
CNN Link

The enemy has no problem burning, decapitating and killing innocent civilians and US military members. If this is a form of psychological warfare, I see no problem with it.. When dealing with suicidial maniacs all is fair, IMHO>

Do what the enemy does, become the enemy you hate so much.

He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, Aphorism 146

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: sandorski
....Saw the video on the news last night, interview withh the Australian reporter who covered the event. It's real alright, no more doubt about that.

Got a Link? the video linked above didnt prove a thing.

Link will likely be changed in a few hours

That's last nights newscast where I saw the video. You'll need to put up with some other stories first. Not sure how long it'll last before todays newscast takes its' place.

I watched the whole thing, and there was no mention of it. And they signed off as "Thats your news for Thursday Night" so thats "last night"

Still not a shred of proof.

Hmm, must have been a different newscast then. Sorry for wasting your time. 😱

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: asadasif

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Condor
When in a war, you can be either like the loser or the winner. Let the enemy choose the methodology and then beat them with their tools.

You volunteering?

I'm sure we'd all chip in to buy you a ticket on Air Pakistan(or whatever it's called). You take it over, fly plane into Osama's hiding place and this whole fiasco can be put behind us.

Where do you get that? You are having a serious lapse of memory here.....

The planes which flew into WTC were of American Airlines and the majority of the hijackers were Saudis.

You misunderstood my comment. 😉

I wasn't talking about the 9/11 hijackers, I was commenting on Condor's desire to use Al Quedas tactics against them. Of course he backed out when he realized he wasn't really willing to go that far.

You only wish I had backed out. I told you that as soon as you got there to provide security for him. You left yet?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: asadasif

OK, I'll ask you then. I have asked this before and have never gotten an answer. Why don't the good Muslims who hate this take care of business? If they had, we would have never had to enter the ME to fight. We tried to avoid it for some twenty years while they attacked our Embassies, ships and airplanes using Isreal as an excuse. I think that a read of the history of the region and eastern Europe will reflect that the crusades were responsive.

Someone's forgetting who supplied these very people (OBL) with weapons and training when it was to their advantage during the Soviet conflict in Afghanistan..... They were called war-heros at that time.... Keeping your eyes shut when it is to your own advantage and opening them just to bemoan the consequences of keeping your eyes shut garners no sympathy from me.

You don't seem to want to answer my question either. When do the good Muslims police their own?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: asadasif

Let us not forget, the same videos that release the beheadings are the ones telling them that to die in a holy war against the states gurantees entrance into heaven.

This is BS. No one who kills/murders an innocent will ever go to heaven. This is against the very values of Islam and just because some people want to twist the meaning of a statement doesn't means they should be believed. Please research this on your own and don't just start parroting a pre-concieved mindset.

Another such thing is the use of the word Jihad. It's actual meaning is to do one's utmost. This may be for education, improvement of oneself from wrongful deeds (which vary from religion to religion) or anything which is better for the person and the progress of the society where he/she lives. Every man; Christian, Muslim, Hindu or other does jihad by doing the utmost for his own self, his family, his children and his/her country. Hell! I am doing jihad by studying hard to get good grades and be a productive citizen of my country. Does that warrant an attack by US troops on my University? The portrayal of Jihad as an act of war/murder on all infidels is ridiculous. I don't see any real Muslim Ruler (Caliph, etc) issuing a proper valid call for Jihad in the sense of war. I find OBL's call for jihad against Christians/west ridiculous because Christians are people of the book (Bible).

You sound like you think yourself a good Muslim. Why aren't you over there taking care of business so we can come home?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: asadasif
If the money used for all these wars was constructively used on the American people since it is their tax-money, there would be a world of difference in the US right now.

Liberals just eat it up when an outsider tells them that all of the tax money should be spent on them. Breakfast in bed, new car with thet welfare check anyone? You sure know how to make them purr, don't you?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
CNN Link

The enemy has no problem burning, decapitating and killing innocent civilians and US military members. If this is a form of psychological warfare, I see no problem with it.. When dealing with suicidial maniacs all is fair, IMHO>

Do what the enemy does, overcome the enemy you hate so much.

There, fixed.

 

[firewall]

You sound like you think yourself a good Muslim. Why aren't you over there taking care of business so we can come home?

Taking care of business? How can I, being a student, take care of business? The way you talk, it seems that US students go fight regularly in Iraq and Afghanistan? Secondly, who is keeping you there? Your government? If it is a democracy, the government should listen to you. If not, you need a regime change just like America thinks should be a common practice for any country that disagrees with their supermacy policies.

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: asadasif

OK, I'll ask you then. I have asked this before and have never gotten an answer. Why don't the good Muslims who hate this take care of business? If they had, we would have never had to enter the ME to fight. We tried to avoid it for some twenty years while they attacked our Embassies, ships and airplanes using Isreal as an excuse. I think that a read of the history of the region and eastern Europe will reflect that the crusades were responsive.

Someone's forgetting who supplied these very people (OBL) with weapons and training when it was to their advantage during the Soviet conflict in Afghanistan..... They were called war-heros at that time.... Keeping your eyes shut when it is to your own advantage and opening them just to bemoan the consequences of keeping your eyes shut garners no sympathy from me.

You don't seem to want to answer my question either. When do the good Muslims police their own?

How are they ours to be policed? They are just like some foreign born people who are now residents of some other country. They were trained by America itself, supplied with fundings and weapons, given targets to hit and then given proper acclaim when it suited their purpose. So why did America dump them to be dealt with by Muslims? Why should good Muslims clean up after America's dirty work?

 

[piasabird]

War is Hell.

The poor little terrorists stubbed their toes on a match.

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: asadasif
If the money used for all these wars was constructively used on the American people since it is their tax-money, there would be a world of difference in the US right now.

Liberals just eat it up when an outsider tells them that all of the tax money should be spent on them. Breakfast in bed, new car with thet welfare check anyone? You sure know how to make them purr, don't you?

That is a flaw of your own political system you are trying to blame on others? I am beginning to see a pattern here. You seem to think others should come solve the problems you yourself created and which are now affecting you. You need a vacation with good counseling to sort your self out.

Think of money being spent on alternative energy, better education (look up the stats on state educational institutions), better medical sevices....... There's a whole list of places where it could be spent which would help the American people. Breakfast in bed, new car????? You need to think on a macro level, not a micro one.

Think of a company investing it's profits in itself so that there is good development and expansion in future which would be much better than just increasing the employee paychecks to enable them to splurge more.

 

[firewall]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
CNN Link

The enemy has no problem burning, decapitating and killing innocent civilians and US military members. If this is a form of psychological warfare, I see no problem with it.. When dealing with suicidial maniacs all is fair, IMHO>

Do what the enemy does, overcome the enemy you hate so much.

There, fixed.

Now whose the extremist???

 

[Polish3d]

I had a lot of respect for America, it's people, it's freedom and it's values before Sept 11. I was not at all happy with how people lost their lives in that incident. However, the revenge on Afghanistan and the attack on Iraq made me lose my respect for America and it's people. I won't talk about freedom and values because that is a moot point. American people who take great pride in the US army taking many innocent lives in this region should not forget that they are common civilians just like the American civilians who lost their loved ones in 9/11. Differentiating the value of an American's life and blood and that of a non-US citizen has enraged these people. They have full right to be enraged.

.

You must be another Canadian.

Are you so foolish that you really believe we went into Afghanistant just for REVENGE? If you truly entertain notions this foolish than it is easier to understand how you could write the rest of that post.

We went into Afghanistan to remove the government that was harboring the people who killed us, and want to kill you for that matter.

 

[ruffilb]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: ruffilb
Keep in mind that all this is is an accusation... if proven or disproven, the interpretation TOTALLY changes.

Also, there's no such thing as a totally unbiased report, and I'm sure everyone wants to believe they're going to some paradise or another, regardless of their religion. Liberal interpretation of religious texts has caused problems, but it has created solutions as well. Looking at just one facet of anything like this is a very dangerous viewpoint, for either religion.

I doubt that these actions were necessary for national security, and national security only EXISTS to uphold democratic ideals; we must therefore value these ideas of equality and justice OVER national security. Of course, these ideals only apply to those with rights... (and criminals are often deprived of their rights, so they don't even fall in to these categories of equality and justice.)

Saw the video on the news last night, interview withh the Australian reporter who covered the event. It's real alright, no more doubt about that.

Not cool.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: asadasif

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: asadasif
If the money used for all these wars was constructively used on the American people since it is their tax-money, there would be a world of difference in the US right now.

Liberals just eat it up when an outsider tells them that all of the tax money should be spent on them. Breakfast in bed, new car with thet welfare check anyone? You sure know how to make them purr, don't you?

That is a flaw of your own political system you are trying to blame on others? I am beginning to see a pattern here. You seem to think others should come solve the problems you yourself created and which are now affecting you. You need a vacation with good counseling to sort your self out.

Think of money being spent on alternative energy, better education (look up the stats on state educational institutions), better medical sevices....... There's a whole list of places where it could be spent which would help the American people. Breakfast in bed, new car????? You need to think on a macro level, not a micro one.

Think of a company investing it's profits in itself so that there is good development and expansion in future which would be much better than just increasing the employee paychecks to enable them to splurge more.

Perhaps you should go recruit your protestors someplace else. You'll get plenty here.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Condor

Perhaps you should go recruit your protestors someplace else. You'll get plenty here.

huh? lay off the schlitz ice Condor, your making no sense.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: asadasif

OK, I'll ask you then. I have asked this before and have never gotten an answer. Why don't the good Muslims who hate this take care of business? If they had, we would have never had to enter the ME to fight. We tried to avoid it for some twenty years while they attacked our Embassies, ships and airplanes using Isreal as an excuse. I think that a read of the history of the region and eastern Europe will reflect that the crusades were responsive.

Someone's forgetting who supplied these very people (OBL) with weapons and training when it was to their advantage during the Soviet conflict in Afghanistan..... They were called war-heros at that time.... Keeping your eyes shut when it is to your own advantage and opening them just to bemoan the consequences of keeping your eyes shut garners no sympathy from me.

You don't seem to want to answer my question either. When do the good Muslims police their own?

If people like you in the US government werent involved in creating problems in Muslim states, we'd all be better of.

And dont even start that the US did not have complicity in almost ALL the world's countries at one point or the other.

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Frackal

I had a lot of respect for America, it's people, it's freedom and it's values before Sept 11. I was not at all happy with how people lost their lives in that incident. However, the revenge on Afghanistan and the attack on Iraq made me lose my respect for America and it's people. I won't talk about freedom and values because that is a moot point. American people who take great pride in the US army taking many innocent lives in this region should not forget that they are common civilians just like the American civilians who lost their loved ones in 9/11. Differentiating the value of an American's life and blood and that of a non-US citizen has enraged these people. They have full right to be enraged.

.

You must be another Canadian.

Are you so foolish that you really believe we went into Afghanistant just for REVENGE? If you truly entertain notions this foolish than it is easier to understand how you could write the rest of that post.

We went into Afghanistan to remove the government that was harboring the people who killed us, and want to kill you for that matter.

Have you heard of UNOCAL? The government that was harboring the people who killed 'us' was in negotiation with the US Government for building an oil pipeline. Are you that clueless? One of the consultants on UNOCAL was Zalmay Khalilzad!

Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unocal

 

[Polish3d]

So what you're saying is that our incursion was not to remove the government supporting Bin Laden, the person behind the worst attack on American soil in the last 200 years (I bet you dont believe he did it either), but instead you are asserting that:


The US govt/military
Germany, French, Spanish, NATO, UN forces

all went into Afghanistan so Unocal could build a pipeline?

Unocal controls the entire US Government but can't even get the Congress to cooperate in passing a law they want?????

GIVE ME A BREAK MAN! How can you even operate a computer and be so foolish!


These conspiracy theories are as bad as the ones that used to exist about Jewish control of this or that that resulted in pogroms, or hysteria about witchcraft... Same irrationality, different age.