US Army accused of burning Taliban terrorists

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Condor

No, Nam didn't suck. Liberals forceing us to leave a war that was won is what sucked. Ho Chi Mien, himself, has stated that if we had stayed another two weeks, he was prepared to fly the white flag. 4.2 million Cambodians and tens to hundreds of thousands of our allies would still be alive. I had real friends there who supported us and they no longer exist.

Bullsh!t. Please provide a link to support your claim about Ho Chi Mien stating that!

Also it was the Communist Vietnamese who put an end to the genocide in Cambodia.

We were never there to save the Vietnamese, we were there to prevent the alleged Domino effect of Communism.

Exactly. The problem in Vietnam was that the South didn't care about what happened with the North, they just didn't want to be blown up. Condor, if you've never read, "The Quiet American," I highly recommend it. It's quite a fantastic allegory about the forces at work in Indochina prior to the major US military action there. If the Iraqi's want their freedom so badly that they're willing to die and fight for it, then we can succeed there, if not ... we should pull out immediately.

I do love the fact that the "liberals lost the war!~!! give us 10 more days and we'd kick their butt!" The public was frankly quite tired of US soldiers dying abroad for no good reason at the numbers they were going. Vietnam was not an issue of national security, and neither was Iraq prior to our invasion (now, it is, go us!).

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I mean how much military do you all need? the current military is like 15x bigger then any other country jeez to smack around a tiny assed country already disarmed....lousy excuse.

Bigger doesn't always mean better. You've shown a complete misunderstanding.

N. Korea has over a million troops. Think about that.

Your right there, I mean as far as cold hard green pumped into it. Not available manpower.

 

[JTWill]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
:roll: I am sure if nixon juuuuuust got to invade another country the whole deck of cards would have fallen?

give it a rest, those people were as or more corrupt then this administration and their dirty imperialist war.

sucks real americans have to question our own country every 20 years becasue you whackjobs seem so intent on getting our young men killed while the corrupt leaders rake in the cash.

This proves you do not know what you are talking about, Now its Nixon? Excuse me you need to back up your history books. I lived that time and you are full of it. LBJ ring any bells? Another crack pot trying to call this a Nixon war, here comes the same comunist tripe spouting about imperilism. No knowledge what so ever of real events, trying to make political points by dumping on the graves of better men than him.

Same old song, same old lies I have heard for 35 years, Now Vietnam is Nixon's fault, nothing but blind hatred of events that you cannot even get the history right.

 

[Steeplerot]

Nixon esclated the war under promise of ending it after some right-wingnut assisinated kennedy's brother, lying and spreading it into cambodia.

Sadly looks like nixon is going to go down a second rate crook with bush's fvckups.

Nice job defending another war over lies and supporting the crooks who try to fvck over america to profit off them.

Nice communist distraction, whenever you wingnuts get into damage mode you sure love calling americans commies, hopefully all you commie doomsayers and rush limpballs himself die lonley men scorned for your idiocy and warmongering ways.

 

[JTWill]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Condor

You absolutely can. The previous administration had just about crippled our military before leaving office. What they are now is because of the current administration, with liberals whining about spending the whole way.

total unsupportable bs, base closing were in full swing in 1989, I remember becasue I lived near 2 bases that got closed.

The Military has been trying to close bases since after WWII, again you show your ignorance in all things military. We have millions of acres of land being wasted on massive military bases having the budget sucked dry because every senator and congressman forces the military to keep them open since WWII and you step right in and call it a sign of a week military. No cigar pal most of those bases have no practicle military use when one third of the land on most big bases has never been used. You would not know that since you have never bothered with learning anything military. Just open mouth and talk.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Proletariat

And I don't think we can place the credit for our amazing military training to the Republican party. Do you?

You absolutely can. The previous administration had just about crippled our military before leaving office. What they are now is because of the current administration, with liberals whining about spending the whole way.

Proof please. I would like to see something that supports your statement other than your "belief" of talking points and rhetoric.

 

[Steeplerot]

Funny, the big hoopla at the time was about bush sr, cutting the bases.

Go crawl into a hole man, you tired hateriots has-beens throwing around your commie scare is laughable.

nam is over, if you want to be mad at who betrayed you take a look at your leaders and the BS you buy into.

 

[JTWill]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Nixon esclated the war under promise of ending it after some right-wingnut assisinated kennedy's brother, lying and spreading it into cambodia.

Sadly looks like nixon is going to go down a second rate crook with bush's fvckups.

Nice job defending another war over lies and supporting the crooks who try to fvck over america to profit off them.

You are such a liar desparate to make your point, the military was never larger under Nixon in Vietnam than Johnson. You just told an outright lie, Nixon increased military action in bombing and mining the harbors which forced the north to the peace talk tables BUT REDUCED American forces all around. But again blind hatred has got some goofy history comming out of your mouth. He force the South to take larger roles while changing our tactics.

You just told an outragious lie.

 

[Steeplerot]

Quote from my post "Nixon esclated the war" your reaching now JT, and floundering badly.

and looks like rush limpballs and the rest of the ditohead crew feeding you lies can't save you now.

The american people are once again going to put these traitors in their place if justice is served.

Another war for a lie ended by people who care enough to think for themselves. sucks dont it.. this is what?

tough guy wargasm 2 foiled? sadly rambo isn't around anymore to pull bush outta this one either.

 

[JTWill]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Quote from my post "Nixon esclated the war" your reaching now JT, and floundering badly.

and looks like rush limpballs and the rest of the ditohead crew feeding you lies can't save you now.

The american people are once again going to put these traitors in their place if justice is served.

Another war for a lie ended by people who care enough to think for themselves. sucks dont it.. this is what?

tough guy wargasm 2 foiled? sadly rambo isn't around anymore to pull bush outta this one either.

Really, prove Nixon escalated the war, come on you can do it. NOT

Your knowledge is as trash because you sure dont know history.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JTWill
, Nixon increased military action

Dont give me that "disservice to a vietnam vet" crap, YOU dishonor your fellow vets becasue you are just fine with another generation being put through the same hell your generation were screwed over and lied to into fighting. and you are PROUD to let it happen again, Good job.

It seems you learned nothing. IF you are really a vet.

Who's side are you on anyway?

be proud, by your willfull ignorance there can be a new generation of returning soldiers that the same system that made them patriots can turn around and use them as "deranged vets" on tv cop shows once they are home.

used, screwed and cut loose. And you are all over round 2 huh?

 

[JTWill]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JTWill
, Nixon increased military action

Dont give me that "disservice to a vietnam vet" crap, YOU dishonor your fellow vets becasue you are just fine with another generation being put through the same hell your generation were screwed over and lied to into fighting. and you are PROUD to let it happen again, Good job.

It seems you learned nothing. IF you are really a vet.

Who's side are you on anyway?

be proud, by your willfull ignorance there can be a new generation of returning vets that the same system that made them patriots can turn around and use them as "deranged psycho vets on tv cops shows when this is over.

used, screwed and cut loose. And you are all over round 2 huh?

I am not the one lying through his teeth about Vietnam and trying to compare two totaly different wars to make political points you are. You cannot get Vietnam history straight to save your life. Maybe you should shut up and read some books.

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The large-scale involvement of the US came under the tenure of President Lyndon B. Johnson and his Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.

The pressure around him grew so intense, that he was only left with one option and that was not to run for a second term. Basically, he handed the hot potato to Richard M. Nixon.

This is escalation?
After great efforts by the US to withdraw, and the establishment of a cease-fire on January 27th, 1973, American soldiers began leaving Vietnam for good.

http://www.vietnampix.com/intro.htm
The Vietnam War

Not the best link but it sure does say who esculated a war.

 

[Steeplerot]

Why are you arguing over this, you pointed out exactly what I said a few posts up. *snap snap* your not very with it today are you?

YOU are the one on about troop levels, you agreed with what I said about esclation. if I am going to post to you in here please follow along or stay in your cold-war paranoia rut thanks.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: JTWill

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Quote from my post "Nixon esclated the war" your reaching now JT, and floundering badly.

and looks like rush limpballs and the rest of the ditohead crew feeding you lies can't save you now.

The american people are once again going to put these traitors in their place if justice is served.

Another war for a lie ended by people who care enough to think for themselves. sucks dont it.. this is what?

tough guy wargasm 2 foiled? sadly rambo isn't around anymore to pull bush outta this one either.

Really, prove Nixon escalated the war, come on you can do it. NOT

Your knowledge is as trash because you sure dont know history.

You have to ignore Steep when he babbles. He makes no sense and is a waste of time then. I would ask him if he posts under the influence, but that would be impolite, wouldn't it?

 

[Bumrush99]

Sometimes I think Steelperot is a long lost relative of Infohawk.. Speaking of Info, whatever happened to him?

 

[Steeplerot]

Whatever Condor, stay outta this one, this one is trying to squirm his way out by making false accusations on what I said when he damn well knows he agreed with me about the esclation.

He said troop levels, I was reffering to esclating it into other countries and increasing the bombing, (Nixon crazy ass was about to nuke Hanoi, luckily the crook was sent packing from the white house.)

 

[JTWill]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: JTWill

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Quote from my post "Nixon esclated the war" your reaching now JT, and floundering badly.

and looks like rush limpballs and the rest of the ditohead crew feeding you lies can't save you now.

The american people are once again going to put these traitors in their place if justice is served.

Another war for a lie ended by people who care enough to think for themselves. sucks dont it.. this is what?

tough guy wargasm 2 foiled? sadly rambo isn't around anymore to pull bush outta this one either.

Really, prove Nixon escalated the war, come on you can do it. NOT

Your knowledge is as trash because you sure dont know history.

You have to ignore Steep when he babbles. He makes no sense and is a waste of time then. I would ask him if he posts under the influence, but that would be impolite, wouldn't it?

He just said I proved his point about escalating.....BUT THAT WAS JOHNSON....not Nixon.
No Military man studying war would ever even think to compare Afghanistan to Vietnam its just plain laughable. Different time, different enemy WHOLE DIFFERENT reasons for war. I can see argument about Iraq but Afghanistan is justified beyond doubt. Even the French and Germans agree with that. We have Nato forces in Afghanistan helping us. Man the stink being raised about burning dead bodies in light of the fact of what our enemy has done is rediculous. The enemy is trying to kill us anyway so how do you figure it made things worse. The recruitment for them is down. Anyone see a future in joining the Taliban? Stand in another mans shoes and walk a mile in them, Off the top of my head I would not have bothered with burning bodies but I was not there and don't know the soldiers reasoning at the time. Sometimes there is a good reason to bait your enemy, we are not there to kiss them.

For those who think Vietnam was militarily driven, Douglas MacArthur, Omar Bradley, the Joint Chiefs of staff had told both Kennedy and Johnson not to get us involved in a war in southeast asia. The military was not listened to, so whos fault is that. Eisenhowers plan was completely different from what Kennedy and Johnson followed, I guess the Former Commanding General of the Armies was not considered wise enough, Nor were two other 5 stars to listen too.

 

[Steeplerot]

Ahh, how typical, blame a democrat from 11 years before. :roll: big surprise.

esclated means invading ANOTHER COUNTRY, trying to find a excuse and a way to get away with using a nuke, terror bombing civilians on a scale not done since ww2. lying and putting off negotiations for political purposes (election)

Dont get me started about the sleazeball nixon....

just have to look at bush and iraq and there you go...history repeats itself and people like you keep beating our collective heads against the wall...

 

[sonz70]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JTWill

When will you learn what war is? When will you learn this is not Vietnam? There is no comparison.

suuuuure, keep beliving this, watch more die.

It is a war, people die.

 

[sonz70]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: NJDevil

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: DarkKnight69
haha, surrender so we can humiliate and torture you in prisons. so we can beat you to death and make public embarassment of your honor and your families.

And how many of our soldiers who have surrendered have been imprisoned or sent back? We will never know, because it there have been any, they killed them. Perhaps my memory fails me, have they returned a single soldier?

What about that stuff about us taking the moral high ground? When you are fighting an ideology, it usually isn't a good idea to use some of their tactics while claiming defence from barbarism.

When you are fighting an enemy, he is just that! The only thing the enemy will respect and fear is strenght. Nice to the enemy is just another beloved patriot in your armor, just another weakness that gives him hope. Look at the PLA and Isreal for proof of that. Everytime Isreal was ruthless, they drew down, every time Isreal was nice, they attacked. Does no one (libs) here pay the least attention to reality?

Isn't the point of the war on terror to eliminate terrorism (you can't kill every terrorist without new ones popping up unless non-military action is taken). One must identify the roots of terrorism, and work to subdue those, resulting in less terrorism. I'm sure you understand how this works.

For 1400 years of trying, it hasn't worked. Unfortunately, they have gotten stronger over the last 600, not weaker.

What you don't seem to understand is that by being ruthless, we strengthen terrorist recruiting tools. You may say, "oh they hate us already, it doesn't matter what we do, etc." but that's not true. Everytime the US military takes some unruly action, be it torture, burning of corpses, etc., more terrorists will be created. More Iraqi's/Afghani's will pick up arms against my nation's soldiers. I support the troops, and would prefer to keep them out of harms way whenever possible. Don't you see that we are hurting ourselves through actions like this?

You forgetting that many of the terrorists are also mercaneries? That 25K to the family if the youngster gets killed. All we are doing is bringing out the ones on the margin. Better to do it now than later. The madrasses have already done what you credit us with.

Mercanaries?

Every Third World Man who fights for his rights is a mercenary to you isn't it?

Its only cool to own those guns and fight for you 'pride' and your 'freedom' when you already have it. Those who fight for it abroad are your enemy.

How hypocritical. But what can I expect?

They soldiers/freedom fighters/terrorist abroad are fighting for the freedoms of a few elites, not the population as a whole. That is the difference.

 

[JTWill]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Ahh, how typical, blame a democrat from 11 years before. :roll: big surprise.

esclated means invading ANOTHER COUNTRY, threating to nuke, terror bombing civilians on a scale not done since ww2. lying and putting off negotiations for political purposes (election)

Dont get me started about the sleazeball nixon....

See your way off , no true historical knowledge what so ever. Deny the fact that Johnson escalated this war, FIRST BIG LIE. Then when Nixon allows the Armed forces to bomb targets the military wanted and needed to hit in the first place. Allowing troops to persue the enemy into the safe havens they had established in two other countries ...THEY not us. Thats escalation.

HEY READ SOME HISTORY....Johnson considered the use of NUCLEAR WEAPONS on the North not Nixon. Try to keep your history straight, I even remember the CBS news story when JOHNSON administration was considering NUKES.

You do not know a thing about Vietnam except what some idiot bird fed you.😀

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: sonz70

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JTWill

When will you learn what war is? When will you learn this is not Vietnam? There is no comparison.

suuuuure, keep beliving this, watch more die.

It is a war, people die.

More like an illegal act of agression of a rouge state trying to make a resource grab.

But, if you are so casual with sending people off to die, be my guest, let me know your zipcode and I will gladly PM you some contact info of your nearest recruiter.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JTWill
Deny the fact that Johnson escalated this war, FIRST BIG LIE.

wtf are you talking about? Where did I deny or even mention johnsons name in this thread?

You may want to take your medication, your senility is showing.

 

[sonz70]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JTWill

When will you learn what war is? When will you learn this is not Vietnam? There is no comparison.

suuuuure, keep beliving this, watch more die.

Actually, this is a lot more like WWII in a lot of ways. Attacked by one country, attacked two. People being killed for warped ideals (Japan and their human God and Germany and their sacred race) and you want us to bow to ideals? The enemy today has ideals. That ideal is to kill the infidels. That means you and me!

No no no friend.

You are righteous in fighting the Japanese and Germans - and this is something to be proud of as an American.

But these poor men in rags we fight today are nothing compared to our old enemies. You are looking for something to fight and that is your problem.

These men fight for their slain family members in Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with the brutal terrorist attacks carried out by Osama Bin Laden. They look upon it as an invasion akin to our invasion of 1812. Only now the invading power has almost supernatural weapons. They fight us in rags and primitive weaponry. As Americans we must accept their reaction. We were founded as a nation based on justice and peace among peoples. It is time we lived up to that ideal. We cannot attack poor men who fight for their land, their families, their pride and their well-being and make it out to be some dramitic struggle. Some WWII reincarnated. Doing so is foolish. Acting in such a manner is barbaric. We are becoming what we have most feared.

Instead, we can sit back and wait for them to kill us at our workplaces, in our trains, on our busses, or how about our children in our schools? Should we just be the pacifist and allow them to have there way with our country? Or have you not noticed, the majoirty of people fighting are the ones who want power for themselves? Or who want to go to a holy heaven, and see fighting the americans as a free ticket? Do you not grasp the concept the only people we are fighting are the ones with ideals that have been implanted into there minds but other fanatics? And for this, they deserve to die, plain and simple. they are not fighting for there land, pride, and well being, if that was so, every man, woman would take up arms against the Americans, and fight them off, if it was as bad as you make it out to be. This pathetic excuse of freedom fighters is nothing but either paid criminals, blackmailed young man, or man looking for a free ticket into a holy land they will recieve if dying in a holy war.

 

[JTWill]

I was a very young man when I went to Vietnam, I personally wanted answers as to why. I took no ones word for anything, and studied the history of the whole thing. I bet that super expert cannot tell me when the first involvement of US personel there was or what it was for.

Nice deflection off of the topic this thread started out as. But I expect that from the person who is really squirming. Vietnam is the past and has no comparison in any respect to what is going on now.