US Airways Plane Crash in Hudson River

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Number1
Planes are pressurized so you would assume they would be air tight until you open the doors. Why did the cabin start to fill with water as soon as they stopped on the water assuming there was no structural damage?

How on earth do you make the assumption of no structural damage? It's a 60 ton aircraft landing on its belly in water at more than 150mph.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: BoomerD
That pilot is a semi-local resident (about 75 miles) and is being called a hero for his actions in the crash.

He managed to land the plane in the middle of one of the most heavily populated places in the country without anyone on the plane being killed...or anyone on the ground.

I'm sure he'll have a lifetime supply of booze from grateful passengers...hopefully enough to get through the mass of lawsuits that will probably follow.

Wouldn't it be something if everyone was just so grateful that they didn't sue.

We can only hope, huh?

I would love to know what are they going to sue for? Not getting killed?

Pain, suffering, hospital costs. . .

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Number1
Planes are pressurized so you would assume they would be air tight until you open the doors. Why did the cabin start to fill with water as soon as they stopped on the water assuming there was no structural damage?

How on earth do you make the assumption of no structural damage? It's a 60 ton aircraft landing on its belly in water at more than 150mph.

Frankly I am amazed it's in one piece, those things are pop cans.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: BoomerD
That pilot is a semi-local resident (about 75 miles) and is being called a hero for his actions in the crash.

He managed to land the plane in the middle of one of the most heavily populated places in the country without anyone on the plane being killed...or anyone on the ground.

I'm sure he'll have a lifetime supply of booze from grateful passengers...hopefully enough to get through the mass of lawsuits that will probably follow.

Wouldn't it be something if everyone was just so grateful that they didn't sue.

We can only hope, huh?

I would love to know what are they going to sue for? Not getting killed?

Pain, suffering, hospital costs. . .

There will be ambulance chasing lawyers who will be able to convince passengers that they can make some dough from suing.

 

[looker001]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: BoomerD
That pilot is a semi-local resident (about 75 miles) and is being called a hero for his actions in the crash.

He managed to land the plane in the middle of one of the most heavily populated places in the country without anyone on the plane being killed...or anyone on the ground.

I'm sure he'll have a lifetime supply of booze from grateful passengers...hopefully enough to get through the mass of lawsuits that will probably follow.

Wouldn't it be something if everyone was just so grateful that they didn't sue.

We can only hope, huh?

I would love to know what are they going to sue for? Not getting killed?

Pain, suffering, hospital costs. . .

Hospital costs will be cover by airline insurance, pain and suffereing should be thankfull they are alive.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Number1
Planes are pressurized so you would assume they would be air tight until you open the doors. Why did the cabin start to fill with water as soon as they stopped on the water assuming there was no structural damage?

How on earth do you make the assumption of no structural damage? It's a 60 ton aircraft landing on its belly in water at more than 150mph.

Frankly I am amazed it's in one piece, those things are pop cans.

The news story I saw last night said the plane hit the water at something like 178 mph...it's fucking amazing that it didn't break into pieces.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: looker001

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: BoomerD
That pilot is a semi-local resident (about 75 miles) and is being called a hero for his actions in the crash.

He managed to land the plane in the middle of one of the most heavily populated places in the country without anyone on the plane being killed...or anyone on the ground.

I'm sure he'll have a lifetime supply of booze from grateful passengers...hopefully enough to get through the mass of lawsuits that will probably follow.

Wouldn't it be something if everyone was just so grateful that they didn't sue.

We can only hope, huh?

I would love to know what are they going to sue for? Not getting killed?

Pain, suffering, hospital costs. . .

There will be ambulance chasing lawyers who will be able to convince passengers that they can make some dough from suing.

If I were one of the passengers, I'd sue all the reporters standing around me bundled up in warm clothing while I just got out of the water and am in thin clothing during freezing weather.

 

[dakels]

On the commute to work I see the front pages of a lot of newspapers with this pilot's picture and the words "hero". This man safely landed a plane with 155 people into one of the busiest waterways in the world. I live on the hudson right next to a marina. I have never looked out and not seen at least 6-10 large boats out there and several smaller ones. After crash landing the plane he walked the isles TWICE through waist deep freezing water to make sure everyone was safely out.

I don't care what this pilot may or may not have done hypothetically to prevent this from happening. His confirmed actions of dealing with it are exceptional and heroic. Also, the ferry operators and crew upon seeing the plane go down immediately went full steam to the crash site to assist in the rescue way before any emergency response was there. The ferry operators were able to keep the boat next to the plane to rescue passengers as the very strong current was pulling them out into the harbor. It was 20 degrees and very windy on the water and commuters on the ferry started putting their dry jackets and clothes on the wet passengers.

This has to be one of the only large plane crash stories that I know of, that is, so far, 100% positive.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: dakels
On the commute to work I see the front pages of a lot of newspapers with this pilot's picture and the words "hero". This man safely landed a plane with 155 people into one of the busiest waterways in the world. I live on the hudson right next to a marina. I have never looked out and not seen at least 6-10 large boats out there and several smaller ones. After crash landing the plane he walked the isles TWICE through waist deep freezing water to make sure everyone was safely out.

I don't care what this pilot may or may not have done hypothetically to prevent this from happening. His confirmed actions of dealing with it are exceptional and heroic. Also, the ferry operators and crew upon seeing the plane go down immediately went full steam to the crash site to assist in the rescue way before any emergency response was there. The ferry operators were able to keep the boat next to the plane to rescue passengers as the very strong current was pulling them out into the harbor. It was 20 degrees and very windy on the water and commuters on the ferry started putting their dry jackets and clothes on the wet passengers.

This has to be one of the only large plane crash stories that I know of, that is, so far, 100% positive.

Yeah I was thinking the same - I lived on the jersey side water front for a while. It's amazing they didn't hit a water taxi or NYC waterways boats when landing.

 

[sciwizam]

Not sure, if this is chop or not

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: sciwizam
Not sure, if this is chop or not

Don't think so. It is in this article about the pilot calling his wife just after landing the plane on the river.

Here is another article about what a pilot has to do in a situation where he has to ditch a plane in water.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: dakels
On the commute to work I see the front pages of a lot of newspapers with this pilot's picture and the words "hero". This man safely landed a plane with 155 people into one of the busiest waterways in the world. I live on the hudson right next to a marina. I have never looked out and not seen at least 6-10 large boats out there and several smaller ones. After crash landing the plane he walked the isles TWICE through waist deep freezing water to make sure everyone was safely out.

I don't care what this pilot may or may not have done hypothetically to prevent this from happening. His confirmed actions of dealing with it are exceptional and heroic. Also, the ferry operators and crew upon seeing the plane go down immediately went full steam to the crash site to assist in the rescue way before any emergency response was there. The ferry operators were able to keep the boat next to the plane to rescue passengers as the very strong current was pulling them out into the harbor. It was 20 degrees and very windy on the water and commuters on the ferry started putting their dry jackets and clothes on the wet passengers.

This has to be one of the only large plane crash stories that I know of, that is, so far, 100% positive.

Air France jet crashed on take off from the Toronto international airport (I forget if they have more then one big international one) due to pilot error, everyone got off safely with only something like three people with broken bones, the plane then was engulfed in flames just after everyone got off.

 

[dakels]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: dakels
On the commute to work I see the front pages of a lot of newspapers with this pilot's picture and the words "hero". This man safely landed a plane with 155 people into one of the busiest waterways in the world. I live on the hudson right next to a marina. I have never looked out and not seen at least 6-10 large boats out there and several smaller ones. After crash landing the plane he walked the isles TWICE through waist deep freezing water to make sure everyone was safely out.

I don't care what this pilot may or may not have done hypothetically to prevent this from happening. His confirmed actions of dealing with it are exceptional and heroic. Also, the ferry operators and crew upon seeing the plane go down immediately went full steam to the crash site to assist in the rescue way before any emergency response was there. The ferry operators were able to keep the boat next to the plane to rescue passengers as the very strong current was pulling them out into the harbor. It was 20 degrees and very windy on the water and commuters on the ferry started putting their dry jackets and clothes on the wet passengers.

This has to be one of the only large plane crash stories that I know of, that is, so far, 100% positive.

Yeah I was thinking the same - I lived on the jersey side water front for a while. It's amazing they didn't hit a water taxi or NYC waterways boats when landing.

here is a typical image of what that part of the Hudson looks like on an average day. You can even see one of the ferry's like the ones that helped in the rescue, loading passengers on the other side.

Like Boomer said too the pilot also brought it down around 170mph which is probably about as low as he could go before stalling and dangerously rolling. Like the Ethiopian flight which is posted in this thread. That plane hit wings down first, not belly, causing a catastrophic tumble shredding the plane apart. Many people died in that water crash landing.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: sciwizam
Not sure, if this is chop or not

Has to be. He doesn't have his landing gear down.

😛

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: CTrain

No, you sound like another idiot.
Don't put words in my mouth, read what I said.
I said, "99.9% of them will never ever have to figure on how to land a plane without a working engine"
So many times have pilots had a real life experience to land a plane without working engines ??
Sure, they all had training but to actually do it in real life, how many have ever had a chance to do it ?
Exactly...slim to none.
And so when was the last time a commercial plane crash land on water and everyone survived ??
Exactly, so STFU !!

Overly emotional 15 year old... confirmed.

Pilots are trained and selected for their professionalism, ability to stay calm in stressful situations and ability to think quickly. They only allow the best pilots to fly commercial airlines, usually they were military pilots. And they certainly don't allow easily excitable kids with unchecked emotions like you into the cockpit. If you've ever heard the voice recordings of pilots the ended up failing in their attempts to save the plane, you'd hear that they're usually composed and methodical right up to the very end.

It's blatantly clear that you have no idea what you're talking about in this conversation so your best bet at this point is to minimize the damage to your reputation and shut up.

Actually you're the 15 yr old thats making himself look real stupid.
Funny how you don't want to quote what you said earlier and decide to go off on a tagent.
You said "Pilots train for these kind of things"
Yeah sure, pilots are trained to land commercial planes with NO working engines into a river.
Then you decide to put words in my mouth.
If you're going to quote someone, quote the whole thing.

The news just had an interview a pilot that flew airbus before and he talks about how they are trained to for alot of failures like single engine, hydrolic, etc....but never both engine failure.
Himself, being a pilot, said what this guy did is nothing short of miraculous.
No pilot have had to do this before and probably never will again.
Plain and simple, this is a once in a lifetime thing.
What that pilot did was beyond amazing.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: CTrain

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: CTrain

No, you sound like another idiot.
Don't put words in my mouth, read what I said.
I said, "99.9% of them will never ever have to figure on how to land a plane without a working engine"
So many times have pilots had a real life experience to land a plane without working engines ??
Sure, they all had training but to actually do it in real life, how many have ever had a chance to do it ?
Exactly...slim to none.
And so when was the last time a commercial plane crash land on water and everyone survived ??
Exactly, so STFU !!

Overly emotional 15 year old... confirmed.

Pilots are trained and selected for their professionalism, ability to stay calm in stressful situations and ability to think quickly. They only allow the best pilots to fly commercial airlines, usually they were military pilots. And they certainly don't allow easily excitable kids with unchecked emotions like you into the cockpit. If you've ever heard the voice recordings of pilots the ended up failing in their attempts to save the plane, you'd hear that they're usually composed and methodical right up to the very end.

It's blatantly clear that you have no idea what you're talking about in this conversation so your best bet at this point is to minimize the damage to your reputation and shut up.

Actually you're the 15 yr old thats making himself look real stupid.
Funny how you don't want to quote what you said earlier and decide to go off on a tagent.
You said "Pilots train for these kind of things"
Yeah sure, pilots are trained to land commercial planes with NO working engines into a river.
Then you decide to put words in my mouth.
If you're going to quote someone, quote the whole thing.

The news just had an interview a pilot that flew airbus before and he talks about how they are trained to for alot of failures like single engine, hydrolic, etc....but never both engine failure.
Himself, being a pilot, said what this guy did is nothing short of miraculous.
No pilot have had to do this before and probably never will again.
Plain and simple, this is a once in a lifetime thing.
What that pilot did was beyond amazing.

Actually yes they are,
their manuals have procedures for engine failure and ditching.

practice makes perfect

You're completely wrong on the latter, there's even a video of an airbus ditching after running out of gas.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sciwizam
Not sure, if this is chop or not

Has to be. He doesn't have his landing gear down.

😛

Good catch. if he'd have put down the landing gear, he wouldn't have sunk in the river and no one would have had to get wet...😛

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: CTrain
Yeah sure, pilots are trained to land commercial planes with NO working engines into a river.
Then you decide to put words in my mouth.
If you're going to quote someone, quote the whole thing.

The news just had an interview a pilot that flew airbus before and he talks about how they are trained to for alot of failures like single engine, hydrolic, etc....but never both engine failure.
Himself, being a pilot, said what this guy did is nothing short of miraculous.
No pilot have had to do this before and probably never will again.
Plain and simple, this is a once in a lifetime thing.
What that pilot did was beyond amazing.

You clearly have no understanding of the subject at hand.

Pilots are trained how to react when they lose their engines, how to do a water landing, etc.

Do you really think that a professional that's trained in a job such as this isn't going to be trained to react when something goes wrong? Pilots are definitely trained how to fly an aircraft that has lost power. It's called a deadstick landing. Out of all the simulator time that's required, you think that nobody thought of a situation as simple as losing both engines and landing on water? I mean come on, get real! With all of the trans-oceanic flights that take place every day, you don't think that they train pilots what to do when their aircraft loses power over the ocean? The idiocy on your part is astounding.


I cannot believe that you lack so much knowledge yet want to continue this conversation. Please, give up.

Edit: to make matters worse for your argument, CNN even has a story about previous water landings (see, it has happened before) and how the knowledge gained from those events helped increase the survivability of this one. This line of aircraft even has a "ditching button" to close valves to allow it to float longer. link

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: amdhunter
So there is a movie in the works...lol How are they going to stretch a 3-6 minute fight into a 2 hour made-for-tv movie?

Do you not know the power of Michael Bay?

If anything, this could be a great summer blockbuster!

Love, romance, revenge, redemption, geese exploding into a giant fireball on both engines, giant water splash on impact, all on one flight.

 

[nageov3t]

the plane is missing both engines.

why do I feel like Donnie Darko is coming to life and we're all about to die unless a teenage kid goes back in time and sacrifices himself to prevent the end of the world?

 

[Farang]

Seriously when is a video of this going to come out. There has to be one, remember how many different angles we had of 9/11.

 

[ElFenix]

i wonder if he thought he couldn't get to teterboro?

 

[akshatp]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i wonder if he thought he couldn't get to teterboro?

Not sure Teterboro was any closer than LGA from where the geese struck. And not sure if TTB could handle a plane as big as that, its a small airport for charter flights AFAIK

 

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[TangoJuliet]

Originally posted by: akshatp

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i wonder if he thought he couldn't get to teterboro?

Not sure Teterboro was any closer than LGA from where the geese struck. And not sure if TTB could handle a plane as big as that, its a small airport for charter flights AFAIK

The controller working the flight asked him if he wanted to divert to TEB as his first option. The pilot replied that he didn't think he would be able to make it there and decided to try and return to LGA.

I am not at liberty to discuss any more as this is now being handled by the NTSB.