Question Upgrading my Old PC-Not working-Please help.

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chiquito3

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I just upgraded must of my PC components:
mobo: Asrock X570 Phantom Gaming 4
GPU: XFX Radeon RX580 Black Edition 8GB
PSU: EVGA SuperNova 750 G5
RAM: G.SKILL Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)
I fresh installed Win10 but every time the GPU driver kicked in it stopped working. I had to make win10 not automatically update drivers so I could upgrade win10 and activate it from my account.

Finally, I did install GPU and mobo drivers and it boots for at least 3 to 4 minutes but then the video signal just stops and the keyboard lights also stop and nothing can be done except a reset.
Please help me.

Link to PSU tester results. (Is it bad?)
 

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Guys the Vega 56 is coming tomorrow Monday. Are there test I can do to it to make sure is not a bad or faulty card?

Hey mate, man sounds like you've been through a wringer with this one.

I recommend Unigine Heaven on loop for the same reason JayzTwoCents recommends on YouTube : it really does push your GPU to a very solid load without being dangerous. Furmark apparently seems like a bit of a problem that can and has resulted in damage to GPUs even at stock settings, so skip that one probably.

If you run into additional trouble, that would make three GPUs in a row, in which case you do probably have some problems with the Mobo most likely. Perhaps just bad luck, I think B550 mobos are finally coming out, so either one of those or a 470X/B450 might be a safer bet. First I'd double check to see if any new BIOS updates for the one you have, along with a full jumper reset to defaults first.

Best of luck keep us posted!
 

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That Vega56 will be your best GPU yet by a sizable margin :) Great stuff! It's really held up well with newer titles and is now more comparable to 1070ti/1080FE/2060S performance these days. The undervolt and OC stuff is inside the driver itself. Good case airflow is important to get the best out of it, so use monitoring tools to check on your temps while running some Heaven loops, perhaps with case side off vs on, and look at mounting holes for fans. Having front intake and rear or rear+top exhaust is a good way to do things. I'll post a pic of my rig to give an idea of what I'm talking about :)
 

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As you can see, I'm not overly concerned with obsessive cable management, I prefer a bit of slack in the cabling for rapid swap convenience, and this thing runs incredibly quietly and frosty cool with no pumps or fluid to worry about. Large intake setup in front with mesh design, and triple top of case exhaust.

Also I can't recommend enough NOT to place any PC, especially one with larger GPU and CPU models, inside tight spaces or those enclosures in some desks. That is very very bad for heat buildup and damage risk. Also having the case sitting on the floor, avoid that if possible especially if you have pets or a dusty environment. Monthly air-blasting of the system is a good idea to keep things cleaner but PCs sitting on the floor will fare much worse and may need more frequent cleaning.

Also if you ever see anyone (not being sexist but it almost always seems to be a woman) using one of those electric space heaters, tell them to keep it away from their PC. Ideally get the thing off the floor and we'll away from them period, but if they can't do that practically, then at least 1 meter away from any electric space heater. Those things also are massive power hogs and should never be connected to a UPS backup unit or on the same power strip as a PC, yet I see that ALL the freaking time supporting business users. So frustrating, and yet so common.

I realize most of this doesn't directly relate to your specific situation, but just pass on the info should you notice these things in the future :) Thanks for being part of AT, please continue to hang out and discuss stuff with us even after we get your PC to 100%. Cheers mate.
 
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chiquito3

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I live in PR so heaters are not necessary, even though I just met a new coworker (my new boss woman) that uses one of those things at her office. :)
I received my Vega 56 today! Man, this thing is HUGE! When I saw it first I thought it will not fit my case, and it almost didn't. I will have to rethink my fans or even maybe mod the case. I have a very old all-aluminum case that I love. It is very strong. I really don't care about fancy lights and showing off my pc.
I just want it to last a very long time since I don't plan to upgrade in the near future. If you look at the picture of the PC case (Presario GX5050) you'll see a bar at the front. The back wall of the bar has holes and inside there are 2 fans to take air inside. I was planning to make the same holes to the upper part and add more fans there. But to do that I will have to take it to the machine shop because the front is made of the same material that car motor blocks are made.
The GPU worked with no problem! Well, I had trouble instaling the drivers but that was because of the old ones but I finally managed to install them. It is very silent compared to the other 2 I tried. Still have to do the test you suggested, but that won't be tonight.
Thanks for all your suggestions. I will keep you posted.
 

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I installed the Heaven Benchmark but it cant run for an error. See pic.
(The code execution cannot proceed because MSVVP100.dll was not found. Reinstalling the program may fix this problem)
Reinstalling did not work.
 

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I've had that exact case before :) it's built like a brick $hithouse lol. Forgive the term if it doesn't exist in your area, basically it means 'built like a tank'.

The ventilation is pretty bad on that guy at present. Do you have access to a Dremel and appropriate attachments for cutting thin steel and aluminum? The front of the case is stupid thick, so don't worry about that. Perhaps on the side panel you can cut a 120mm circle and drill four screw points to account for a side intake somewhere low to clear the GPU. The rear exhaust iirc on that thing is 60mm and breathing through a very restrictive pattern of holes. And of course no top ventilation.

Cutting the rear 60 to an 80 and knocking out the metal that's in the way will dramatically improve airflow, if combined with a new side fan and new 80mm fan. You can get little grills and foam inserts to block dust to go with the fans. The final step would be to see if an 80mm fan would clear in the top center of the case for a top exhaust. 120 is probably too big, but 120in + 80out + 80out should make for a pretty adequate non-OC airflow situation. Basically the biggest things that have changed since that case was 'current' is that GPU and VRM capacities have gone way up in terms of surface ICs that need to be kept cool. That GX5050 case is from 2004, and was designed for 100W or less GPU, and sub-100W CPU/Mobo. 2004 was the year of the Nvidia 6 series. Even the flagship 6800etc models were less bulky and hot as your typical RTX2060, a mid-range card. And the Vega is definitely something to keep an eye out for in regards to temperature.

Perhaps leave the side panel off for the time being and point a little fan towards it. Stagnant air sitting around on the Mobo VRMs and GPU PCB are what would concern me about a case with functionally zero airflow as it presently exists.

And if doing all the cutting and modding doesn't sound like something you want to mess with, perhaps just keep an eye out for a newer case. Yours is 16 years old. You don't need glass panels and all the LED nonsense that is everywhere with new stuff, but cases from 4-6 years ago will be far far far better for what you've got as a build there. Ideally something that has USB 3.0 front panel header, enough intake/exhaust fans and/or mounts, and a bottom side PSU layout (this opens the top of the case up heat to rise and exit instead of a big chonky PSU blocking that possibility). Bonus points if there is a decent backside access to route cabling under rhe Mobo area, which makes keeping the tangle issue much less troublesome.

I admire the commitment to making something work, but I do think it is probably time to call that case done unless you want to do the mods to raise it's potential.
 

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I installed the Heaven Benchmark but it cant run for an error. See pic.
(The code execution cannot proceed because MSVVP100.dll was not found. Reinstalling the program may fix this problem)
Reinstalling did not work.

That's not an error with Heaven, that's a dependency. Specifically Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Framework. Windows isn't too clear about this, it seems like it should just prompt you to get the correct download.

No worries, simply go get this :


Only 86MB, and takes care not just of 2010 but all of them. That way if you try to run another program down the line that needs a different one, you will already have it and not run into the same aggravation.

After you run it (it takes very little time to complete), reboot and try Heaven again, it should work ok.

You will also probably need to get DirectX runtime, another odd situation where it is not automatically downloaded to W10. But it's necessarily for a lot of older games and even some applications.

 

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Well, that is a lot of work for the case! I understand that all the fans are actually 80mm and not 60mm. I thought about the side fan but with this Vega 56 GPU, there is not enough clearing for 120mm fan. Must bigger size that will fit is 90mm. The is no space to increase the size of the rear fan from 80 to 90. What I think can be done is put 2 80mm at the back one on top of the other and drill a lot of holes through the back aluminum plate. I see you are very active in this gaming ambient. If you happen to see any kind of irresistible offer on a case, I will really appreciate it if you tell me. I really do like mine but if it's going to limit my pc I could look for something else. BTW thanks for all your guidance and advice.
 
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Looks like the Vega card is working well. Glad to see it is sorted, or so it seems.

Going forward, IIRC, Vega likes to be undervolted and have its HBM oced a bit. This can give you better temps and better performance. GL!
 
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Looks like the Vega card is working well. Glad to see it is sorted, or so it seems.

Going forward, IIRC, Vega likes to be undervolted and have its HBM oced a bit. This can give you better temps and better performance. GL!

Yes this card is working super well. What is IIRC?
 

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Oh, If I recall correctly :p
 

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Ah yeah, so that is an 80 in back already, nice! For some reason that era screams 60mm to me, but thankfully it wasn't the case (lol) with the 5050.

Hmm. 80 side x 2 intake, 1 80 rear exhaust, 1 80 top exhaust. That would probably do the trick if it can fit.
 

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Hello guys. I want to let everyone know that the Vega 56 GPU from eBay is working great at the moment. Now I have issues with the sound card. It was working ok but I started experimenting and now I do not get audio from the SPDIF output. Any suggestions?
It is a Creative X-Fi (SB0880)
Also, do you think it would be better if I create a thread for this other issue?


You have/had multiple issues with your PC, so I'm going to move your thread to the computer building forum, where you can get help for any computer issue.

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Go to the motherboard settings in bios and disable the onboard sound there. Then go to device manager and right click and delete any drivers for the sound device.

Then go install this driver instead of any windows update or old disc drivers :

 

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Go to the motherboard settings in bios and disable the onboard sound there. Then go to the device manager and right click and delete any drivers for the sound device.

Then go install this driver instead of any windows update or old disc drivers :


I did that but did not work. I even downloaded 3DGuru Display Driver Uninstaller App and run it just to uninstall all Creative Drivers from the PC but it did not work either.
I know the card works because it was working perfectly before I messed with it.
I mean it works for analog output but no SPDIF digital output.
 
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No fun. Might have to search for specific forum posts of users who had similar issues. I no longer have an XFi to test with to try and replicate issues.
 

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I managed to make it work. I do not know why or how but the problem seems to be the optical cable (the same that has been used with no problem before). I connected a BluRay player to the SPDIF input of the Denon soundbar and it using the same cable and it did not work. Then I used other cable and it worked. But there seems to be a problem with the X-Fi and the Denon soundbar specifically because when there is no sound playing the soundbar LED Screen gives a blinking error 96 (or I see it as an error code). I've tried to find if there is a list of error codes for this specific soundbar but can't find anything. In case someone can help me find an error code list this is the model of the soundbar.
Denon DHT-FS5.
I found the meaning of the error code. It is exactly what I was thinking. It is a message saying that there is a 96kHz input. I did uncheck the 96.0 kHz option in the Windows Sound Control but the signal error persists only when there is no sound signal delivered to the soundbar.

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Did you try testing with only one format in your SPDIF Out properties, for example just DTS audio checked, then click Test button? Try each one individually to see if they work. I haven't used a soundblaster in years, but if there's still a problem, it might be a setting in Windows or Creative telling the card to send 96Khz.
 

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Well actually I'm just passing through the digital audio signal so that the soundbar can decode it.
 

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Well guys, It stopped giving the error message 96. Just like that. Thanks to all of you who helped me with your advice.
I guess my next step will be to buy a new case or to mod this one for better air circulation.
I Will let you know when it's happening.