Upgrading from a P4 2.8@800 to a Prescott 3.2

[psebas]

Hello,

Just a question, currently i have a North. at 2800 that i can overclock either to:

3.150 ( 14x 225Mhz Bus@900 Mhz - mem at 450Mhz 1:1 3.0-4-4-8) or to
3.500 ( 14x 250Mhz Bus@1000Mhz - mem at 409Mhz 5:4 2.5-3-3-8)

but i have a friend that just bought an Amd Fx55 and can sell me is 'old' prescott at 3200 for +/- 100? ( +/- 130 USD ).
What i wonna know is that if this one just like mine 2.8 can overclock either to:

3.600 ( 16x225 Mhz 1:1 ) or ( and here's my BIG smile )
4.000 ( 16x250Mhx 5:4 ),

Temps are not an issue. ( great chassis, great cooler , a little noisy )

Thanks
BTW i have a X800 pro that gives me +/- 4800 3Dmark's 2005 and +/- 65 fps in doom3 ( 1280x1024 Ultra Q. ) is this going to improve or is my X800 already at max speed ? ( its oc to gpu 500 mem 1000 )

 

[Gravity]

I think that heat is more of an issue with the prescott. If money is no object, you may want to consider an amd, they are a bit faster.

Just a thought.

 

[stevty2889]

I have a 3.2, it's perfectly happy at 3.6, but not much higher than that, my 2.8 prescott ran good at 3.5ghz, and my 3.4 prescott doesn't like more than 3.91ghz, even with water cooling. You might be able to get the 3.2prescott higher, but there are no gurantees. But for $130, it's a pretty good deal. This assumes your motherboard does support prescotts, as not all boards or revisions can..

 

[psebas]

Yeap, my board is a MSI 865PE - P Platinum ( prescott ready ), and about the heat, right now the average temps are: 24º on idle, 44º full load after 30 minutes running sisoft sandra burn in wizard. So i assume heat isn't a issue.

And about AMD , i dont care how many of you say that it is better, i can only compare an AMD64 to an Intel 64bits enable. I think that is totally unfair to compare a northwood/prescott to an amd64. if you guys compare my P4 2800@3400 to an amdxp more or less the same speed , let's say encoding 1 hour of a dv movie ( I do a lot of that ) you will see... that it take the intel +/- half the time to do the test ( THIS HAS BEEN TESTED before this statement )

 

[Appledrop]

if hes your friend he should let you try it first to see

 

[psebas]

i'm really tired of changing my computer parts ( my thermaltake lanparty has LOTS of cables inside ), plus i've got every cable on my desk and inside my rig ( NEONS INCLUDED ), and changing my processor just for testing is out of the question ( only a few days ago i took my mobo out to change the processor cooler , just to realize that it did't fit - AFTER i took it off - and had a lot of trouble to put everything in place again, plus i almost ruined my processor because the cooler plus the thermal grease rip my processor out of the board bendind quite a few pins of the processor ( it was firmly attatched) only by pure luck it didn't broke , so the next time i'll try to take my cpu out for a walk has to be the last time.

I'm really really happy with my rig right now, and all i want is to know if it is a good upgrade ( a bang for the buck as you americans say it ) or if i wont notice much of a diference.

My setup:
P42.8?3.15
Msi 865PE platinum
1 gb ram dual-channel
+300gb ( 2 hd)
a pair of plextors ( dvd and dvdr )
X800 Pro ( asus ) oc to 500-1000
Studio DV
Audigy 2 zs
Lg TFT 1730s ( 12ms)
Logitech Mouse Mx1000
Logitech Media keyboard
Logitech x-530 ( another awsome buy 50? 5.1 good quality speakers)
Thermaltake lanparty black + thermaltake spark P4 ( 1500-6000rpm) + thermaltake memory heat spreaders

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: psebas
Yeap, my board is a MSI 865PE - P Platinum ( prescott ready ), and about the heat, right now the average temps are: 24º on idle, 44º full load after 30 minutes running sisoft sandra burn in wizard. So i assume heat isn't a issue.

And about AMD , i dont care how many of you say that it is better, i can only compare an AMD64 to an Intel 64bits enable. I think that is totally unfair to compare a northwood/prescott to an amd64. if you guys compare my P4 2800@3400 to an amdxp more or less the same speed , let's say encoding 1 hour of a dv movie ( I do a lot of that ) you will see... that it take the intel +/- half the time to do the test ( THIS HAS BEEN TESTED before this statement )

Flamebait....
The Athlon64 IS the equal and competetor to the P4 (northwood or prescott) It runs 32 bit code better than the P4 at the same clock speed, and currently holds the crown in vertually everybenchmark. Why are you trying to discount it ? When WinXP64 comes out, and all the drivers are available, and Intel has a chip that runs it, they will do more benchmarks, and then we will see who does 64 bit code better.

As to your dilemma, I don;t think you would notice the difference between the chip you have at 3.5 and the new one even IF you hit 3.8.

 

[psebas]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: psebas
Yeap, my board is a MSI 865PE - P Platinum ( prescott ready ), and about the heat, right now the average temps are: 24º on idle, 44º full load after 30 minutes running sisoft sandra burn in wizard. So i assume heat isn't a issue.

And about AMD , i dont care how many of you say that it is better, i can only compare an AMD64 to an Intel 64bits enable. I think that is totally unfair to compare a northwood/prescott to an amd64. if you guys compare my P4 2800@3400 to an amdxp more or less the same speed , let's say encoding 1 hour of a dv movie ( I do a lot of that ) you will see... that it take the intel +/- half the time to do the test ( THIS HAS BEEN TESTED before this statement )

Flamebait....
The Athlon64 IS the equal and competetor to the P4 (northwood or prescott) It runs 32 bit code better than the P4 at the same clock speed, and currently holds the crown in vertually everybenchmark. Why are you trying to discount it ? When WinXP64 comes out, and all the drivers are available, and Intel has a chip that runs it, they will do more benchmarks, and then we will see who does 64 bit code better.

As to your dilemma, I don;t think you would notice the difference between the chip you have at 3.5 and the new one even IF you hit 3.8.

Thanks, i was thinking the same ( cause i really dont see much of an improvement when i go up from 3.150 to 3.500, and the ss3 new instructions only a few apps and games use it ), as for AMD... i guess it was my mistake to compare such processors , but correct me if i'm wrong: when the P4 2800 ( northwood) was launched was there an amd64 bits already , or there was only the Xp's ?? and in those xp's was there at least one that was better then a Northwood with bus @800 mhz and dual channel ddr? , i really dont think so.

I'm not retarded or blind , i know that an amd64 right now is da best. But for me to change to one it requires a new mobo, processor, mem ( obvious ddr2 ) and a new graphic card ( and only last year i bought mine , and it was a pro cause xt were out of stock) , and for what?? more 100 3dmark points? more 2/3 fps in doom? or less 2 minutes at encoding?

I have another question , i usually have a p2p program running, i surf the web and encode/burn a lot of video ( plus msm mensenger, ICQ etc etc etc ) at the same time ( i dont play and encode at the same time like somebody in another topic claims that the HT os P4 does - THATS CRAP , unless i play doom3 at 640x480 low quality and its slow . ), but those tasks that i do , they run flawess with no delays what so ever , is a 64 bits capable of doing this so nice as my P4 does? ( i assume that it is , but i have never seen one doing it)

Thanks again

 

[tribbles]

Thanks, i was thinking the same ( cause i really dont see much of an improvement when i go up from 3.150 to 3.500, and the ss3 new instructions only a few apps and games use it ), as for AMD... i guess it was my mistake to compare such processors , but correct me if i'm wrong: when the P4 2800 ( northwood) was launched was there an amd64 bits already , or there was only the Xp's ?? and in those xp's was there at least one that was better then a Northwood with bus @800 mhz and dual channel ddr? , i really dont think so.

I'm not retarded or blind , i know that an amd64 right now is da best. But for me to change to one it requires a new mobo, processor, mem ( obvious ddr2 ) and a new graphic card ( and only last year i bought mine , and it was a pro cause xt were out of stock) , and for what?? more 100 3dmark points? more 2/3 fps in doom? or less 2 minutes at encoding?

I have another question , i usually have a p2p program running, i surf the web and encode/burn a lot of video ( plus msm mensenger, ICQ etc etc etc ) at the same time ( i dont play and encode at the same time like somebody in another topic claims that the HT os P4 does - THATS CRAP , unless i play doom3 at 640x480 low quality and its slow . ), but those tasks that i do , they run flawess with no delays what so ever , is a 64 bits capable of doing this so nice as my P4 does? ( i assume that it is , but i have never seen one doing it)

Thanks again

Athlon64 CPUs do not use DDR2.

 

[Markfw]

Yes, the Athlon64 does NOT use DDR2 as said above. Yes, the Athlon64 would do just fine for the kind of multitasking you do, but you would need a motherboard and cpu. (memory could be re-used) And even thought I like AMD, I still say you don;t need to upgrade to EITHER PROCESSOR AS YOU WOULDN;T NOTICE A DIFFERENCE other than a few seconds less when you encode.

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: tribbles

Thanks, i was thinking the same ( cause i really dont see much of an improvement when i go up from 3.150 to 3.500, and the ss3 new instructions only a few apps and games use it ), as for AMD... i guess it was my mistake to compare such processors , but correct me if i'm wrong: when the P4 2800 ( northwood) was launched was there an amd64 bits already , or there was only the Xp's ?? and in those xp's was there at least one that was better then a Northwood with bus @800 mhz and dual channel ddr? , i really dont think so.

I'm not retarded or blind , i know that an amd64 right now is da best. But for me to change to one it requires a new mobo, processor, mem ( obvious ddr2 ) and a new graphic card ( and only last year i bought mine , and it was a pro cause xt were out of stock) , and for what?? more 100 3dmark points? more 2/3 fps in doom? or less 2 minutes at encoding?

I have another question , i usually have a p2p program running, i surf the web and encode/burn a lot of video ( plus msm mensenger, ICQ etc etc etc ) at the same time ( i dont play and encode at the same time like somebody in another topic claims that the HT os P4 does - THATS CRAP , unless i play doom3 at 640x480 low quality and its slow . ), but those tasks that i do , they run flawess with no delays what so ever , is a 64 bits capable of doing this so nice as my P4 does? ( i assume that it is , but i have never seen one doing it)

Thanks again

Athlon64 CPUs do not use DDR2.

 

[deachus]

Hey man I also went from a 2.8 to a 3.2E Prescott. My 2.8E was a precott though. What kind of memory are you using. I currently am running my 3.2E D0 Stepping at 4079Mhz 24/7 and its lightning fast. I currently hold the fastest Intel SuperPI score as well. Best upgrade I could have ever made from a 2.8E. Its not worth gettting a 3.0E or 3.4E in my opinion. That price is a GREAT deal, I bought mine 2 weeks ago for $225.

 

[Amaroque]

Originally posted by: psebas

I'm not retarded or blind , i know that an amd64 right now is da best. But for me to change to one it requires a new mobo, processor, mem ( obvious ddr2 ) and a new graphic card ( and only last year i bought mine , and it was a pro cause xt were out of stock) , and for what?? more 100 3dmark points? more 2/3 fps in doom? or less 2 minutes at encoding?

Thanks again

As others have pointed out, you don't need DDR2, for any current A64 board. Also, on the majority of A64 boards, you would not need a new (PCIe) video card.

You have a Northwood. IMO Northwood is a better CPU then the Prescott. You'd have to clock a Prescott quite a bit (about 400MHz) higher to get the same performance you have rite now. I would stick with what you have, unless you wanted to do a whole MB, and CPU swap. Which like you said, is kind of silly at the current time.