Upgraded CPU Lead To Problems....

practal

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Ive had a cheap pc that I built running flawless for over 6 months now. I had a chance to upgrade the cpu from an athlon xp1800 to a brand new Athon 2600 Tbird, and make some money off the deal. Ever since Ive installed the new cpu Ive had nothing but problems and would like some advise where to look.

System (nothing overclocked):
AMD 2600 Tbird (333FSB/2.07 Mhz I believe)
Foxconn 748k7aa Mobo
2x512 Inferion(sp?) ddr333
janton 5700le 256mb AGP
Hauppauge PVR-150
2xWD Cavalier 120GB
Generic 450 PSU
Soundblaster Live 5.1
Windows XP

I originaly just slapped some pieces together I had laying around to make a PVR system, also used by the girlfriend for WOW and the Sims. I had it running for months without the slightest problem prior to the new cpu.

When I initial installed the new cpu(same windows install), none of the drivers seemed to be installed afterwards. After removing the drivers and reinstalling them I kept getting constant reboots as windows was loading.

I figured easy enough fix just reinstall windows, clean formatted install of course. Well all seemed well for about 2 days, I hadnt installed anything other then windows and Beyond TV. I then went to install WOW and I started getting memory reference errors during the install process. I attempted to install 3dmark01 and it will install but when I click the .exe it starts browsing for it and still tries to browse if pointed to it. 3Dmark05 installed fine but it goes back to the desktop as soon as it hits the cpu tests, this is the only program, thats not part of windows, that doesnt shut down the system lol. My problem is an actual reboot with no errors or BSODs. All of a sudden its like someone hit the reset button.

I began doing some reading after the problems occured again and was lead to either power or heat. Obviously my PSU sucks but I have numerous in storage that I will test out once I get a chance to go find them.

As for heat this is where I got confused. I installed fanspeed and had some crazy stuff going on with my cpu temps so I installed everest and they were reporting the exact same thing. My cpu starts out under 10 C and will just sit there and bounce between under 10 C and over 100 C. It will just fluctuate back and forth even when setting idle. When the system is actualy maxed out both programs just remove the cpu temps completly and they randomly pop back up at 0 C. Obviously none of them are right so Im assuming faulty sensor.

I reseated the H/S (Thermaltake something 8) with AS5 and that did not help. I had a scythe HS sitting around (either kamakazi or samuri, dont recall), attached it with AS5 and still no change.

The foxconn doesnt have very many bios oprtions but what can you expect from something so cheap? I cant adjust the voltage(cpu-z says cpu is only getting 1.60v instead of 1.65v) with it and other then CAS, I cant access any other timings. The rams SPD is 2.5-3-3-7 and Ive tried raising it to 3-3-3-7 and running it with a divider but still no change. I did notice, since the new cpu, no program detects my ram. CPU-z, Sandra, 3Dmark05,ect. detect 0mb with no info at all. This wasnt an issue with the prior cpu.

Ive ran memtest for 24 hours without an error but I am having some trouble with prime. I have been able to get three 8 hour runs, every other time the pc has reset a few minutes in. Two of the 3 runs went flawless but the 3rd was interesting. I got a windows error that said prime needed to shut down but it was still in the backround running and every test said pass. I let it continue to run for the full 8 hours, with the error message up, and every test said pass.

Ive also, of course, tried booting with the bare minimum parts and still the same. I think Ive exhausted all of the options Ive found, other then getting off my butt to get a PSU. The problem seems to only apply to CPU intensive programs since the reinstall so Im stumped. Any ideas or suggestions would be great! Thanks practal
 

DetroitSportsFan

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It sounds to me like the first step would be to check and see if your bios will support your cpu. The new CPU may be newer than your bios. A bios flash will take care of that ....

I'd start there. Lets see if we can get the board to identify your cpu correctly. Once the board does, your utility programs should also. At any rate, this seems like the most logical starting point.
 

practal

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Feb 14, 2006
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I did update the bios I like to keep things up to date.

When removing the scythe heatsink I examined everything inside of the computer. When I removed the 1800 I noticed a strange black line on the cpu. Ive been building pcs for about a decade and thought "Huh thats odd" but I couldnt recall if it was there when I put it in. I just dismissed it since I wasnt certain if it was there.

Well, I looked at the 2600 and it now also has this same mark. This mark was not there when I installed it a week or two back. The mark is identical, size and shape, on both chips. Its a black bubble that runs snug along the right side of the metal center of the chip, the bubble is on the green part. The Thermaltake, which is actualy an TR2-M2, was new when I installed it but Im guessing its junk. It was installed properly and attached firmly so Im guessing its defective somehow.

Im also guessing that the scythe didnt work becuase its alluminium and fanless so it may not have cooled properly or the chip is screwed. Is proper cooling going to make reference errors, goofy sensors, and improper installs go away? Im not thinking so so I assume its time to upgrade.

Do my ideas sound right and is there anything else I should be looking at as the source of the damaged CPUs? I did replace the PSU with an Antec Truepower I found in the closet so that shouldnt be an issue now. Thanks
 

DetroitSportsFan

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It sounds like you've got a pretty good handle on computers, and you're looking for someone to confirm what you already suspect.

The bubbling affect on the chips suggests some serious heat issues. I don't know if/how badly they may be damaged .... but it does sound like your hsf failed you.

You already know that though.

Try a buddie's heatsink. If things straighten out, you know you need to go buy a new one. If they don't ... it sounds like you may be in the market for a new chip.