Upgrade to GTX 580 SLI?

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BFG10K

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Yet some still insist that every single dual gpu setup with have MS - that is not true.
Any AFR based system will micro-stutter providing you hit a particular situation. That situation depends on the number of GPUs in the system along with the correlation between CPU and GPU render times. This is mathematically provable.

Maybe your tested scenarios did not meet these conditions, but that doesn’t mean micro-stutter isn’t inherent to AFR.

It’s kind of like saying 8xSSAA doesn’t have a performance hit because you run games at 320x240. Yes, in that situation it might be “free” but I don’t think anyone would agree that the “freeness” is inherent to SSAA.

I definitely wouldn’t bother with last generation multi-GPU though, not when we have next generation single card performance already available.
 

imaheadcase

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mathematically provable does not translate to human perception when playing games.

Thats like saying "You WILL have jaggies in games if you don't turn on AA" well, not if the person does not notice them.
 

destrekor

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Any AFR based system will micro-stutter providing you hit a particular situation. That situation depends on the number of GPUs in the system along with the correlation between CPU and GPU render times. This is mathematically provable.

Maybe your tested scenarios did not meet these conditions, but that doesn’t mean micro-stutter isn’t inherent to AFR.

It’s kind of like saying 8xSSAA doesn’t have a performance hit because you run games at 320x240. Yes, in that situation it might be “free” but I don’t think anyone would agree that the “freeness” is inherent to SSAA.

I definitely wouldn’t bother with last generation multi-GPU though, not when we have next generation single card performance already available.

And there are a variety of settings one rarely considers when running SLI, and it's important to note individual game issues (and patches).

I've got SLI 560 Ti 2GB cards (OC, +50mV) with an i7 2600K @ 4.8GHz, 2x4GB DDR3, etc.
[3x1080p Asus IPS displays - 6060x1080 BC]

I had micro-stutter with BF3 at first, that seemed to be cured by turning off Hyper-threading (should have went with the i5 2500!), and then it seemed to creep back into existence, so I re-enabled it, and everything seems smooth now. It probably is still happening, in that there may be a few frames where there is a few extra #ms of delay, but it's not perceptible (even had a graph trying to see if it was happening, wasn't really noticing anything special in the graph). BF3 also had numerous patches, and there were driver patches (and numerous "issues" people had or didn't have with the 560 Ti cards in general).

In every game I've loaded up, once the graphical settings are configured to give me an acceptable framerate (based on game and need - I aim for 120fps in iRacing, 60fps in BF3 multiplayer, any intense single-player game as long as it's smooth and consistently over 30-40 I would be happy), I haven't noticed any further micro-stutter situations... I have noticed graphical stutters, but those are massive framerate drops in intense situations as opposed to "it says 60fps but feels like 15!"

I would argue it is likely a mathematical certainty in that it is always occurring, but how often (and with what games and/or system configurations/driver combinations) it actually occurs (constant vs a few moments) and whether it crosses the threshold of visual perception, is another argument entirely. That is truly a case of YMMV, because sometimes you get it and a few tweaks here and there will help correct it (can be hell finding out which tweaks are likely to help, as some, like disabling HT, most won't even think of unless someone suggests it/had positive experience with said tweak).

That said, with my setup, I have no choice. I decided to go triple-monitor when I built this system in October, and knew these possibilities going in. I am hoping to upgrade to better performance over the 560 Ti cards at some point, but definitely want at least 2GB of VRAM. Hopefully when the time comes, I can get decent cash for these cards.
 
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-Slacker-

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Crossfired hd7870s should perform on par with gtx580s in SLI. And you can probably get at least $300 for that 580.
 

T_Yamamoto

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And there are a variety of settings one rarely considers when running SLI, and it's important to note individual game issues (and patches).

I've got SLI 560 Ti 2GB cards (OC, +50mV) with an i7 2600K @ 4.8GHz, 2x4GB DDR3, etc.
[3x1080p Asus IPS displays - 6060x1080 BC]

I had micro-stutter with BF3 at first, that seemed to be cured by turning off Hyper-threading (should have went with the i5 2500!), and then it seemed to creep back into existence, so I re-enabled it, and everything seems smooth now. It probably is still happening, in that there may be a few frames where there is a few extra #ms of delay, but it's not perceptible (even had a graph trying to see if it was happening, wasn't really noticing anything special in the graph). BF3 also had numerous patches, and there were driver patches (and numerous "issues" people had or didn't have with the 560 Ti cards in general).

In every game I've loaded up, once the graphical settings are configured to give me an acceptable framerate (based on game and need - I aim for 120fps in iRacing, 60fps in BF3 multiplayer, any intense single-player game as long as it's smooth and consistently over 30-40 I would be happy).

I would argue it is likely a mathematical certainty in that it is always occurring, but how often (and with what games and/or system configurations/driver combinations) it actually occurs (constant vs a few moments) and whether it crosses the threshold of visual perception, is another argument entirely. That is truly a case of YMMV, because sometimes you get it and a few tweaks here and there will help correct it (can be hell finding out which tweaks are likely to help, as some, like disabling HT, most won't even think of unless someone suggests it/had positive experience with said tweak).

That said, with my setup, I have no choice. I decided to go triple-monitor when I built this system in October, and knew these possibilities going in. I am hoping to upgrade to better performance over the 560 Ti cards at some point, but definitely want at least 2GB of VRAM. Hopefully when the time comes, I can get decent cash for these cards.

Good findings
 
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Crossfired hd7870s should perform on par with gtx580s in SLI. And you can probably get at least $300 for that 580.

Sorry, I don't do AMD graphics cards. I bought a 7970 and the driver problems with a number of my games were unacceptable. Returned it and bought a used 580 to replace the one I sold (to imaheadcase, I believe).
 

blackened23

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Sorry, I don't do AMD graphics cards. I bought a 7970 and the driver problems with a number of my games were unacceptable. Returned it and bought a used 580 to replace the one I sold (to imaheadcase, I believe).

So it wasn't the coil whine? Now its driver issues?
 

Dave3000

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I recommend you wait for Kepler and see how the Kepler performs. Less issues with a single GPU. I had SLI before and ran into some issues with gaming when in SLI mode. A GTX 580 is still good for 1080p 4xaa 16xaf.
 

lehtv

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You'd get about the same performance with 7870 2GB crossfire. In that test, 7870 crossfire is 20% faster than GTX 590, which is the same as 580 SLI. See here.

7870 costs the same as a used 580, so you should be able to pay one with your existing 580. Two of them would use the same amount of power as a single 580. And they have more VRAM and are more overclockable.
 

Gikaseixas

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Wait for Kepler since you don't do AMD, the rumored GTX 680 should perform better than your card and for your resolution one should be enough, if not then add another GTX 680 later.

On the "don't do AMD" part: it was a bad experience, don't let that put you in a position where you can only buy one brand. Both manufacturers have their own issues and eventually they get fixed.
 

96Firebird

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If you do plan on getting another 580, they are getting cheaper. Newegg has a Galaxy GTX 580 for $340AR and coupon code HARDOCPX3X7. But then again, this could also mean they are selling old stock before Kepler arrives... Nvidia deals are all over Slickdeals right now.
 

Will Robinson

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I myself is thinking about getting another (used) GTX 580 1.5g FTW HC2 for sli.
Spend it on a good SSD instead,reload your O/S and games on it,it makes your PC so snappy.
With a GTX580 already you probably should be just skipping Gen 1 of Kepler and getting a really noticeable boost from Gen2 GTX780.