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Upgrade quandary, htpc and main rig

alizee

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The motherboard on one of my HTPCs burnt out again, and I'm stuck trying to figure out what I want to do. There are about four options, but if I upgrade the HTPC at all, I want it be at least a little future proof (i.e., no upgrades for about 4 years). It's not my main system, or even our main HTPC, but it is used for some gaming at 1920x1080, and probably going to add some bluray playback as well. I'm not worried about audio and video for motherboards, both will be discrete cards. I'm just looking for some advice before I plop down $1000 wasteful dollars :)

1) The current system is decent, 939 A64 X2 4400+ and 4GB ram, and before the demise of the motherboard I was planning on adding a newer graphics card, a Radeon 5670 or similar. I could try to buy another used 939 mobo and probably a new PSU (don't know what happened to the last two motherboards, but that's my guess for a culprit). ~$100 for the replacements and ~$100 for a graphics card, and probably an upgrade sooner than later for the entire system.

2) The most expensive, but also most enticing option, but upgrade my main gaming/video and audio rig and pulling parts for the htpc. I'd guess about $600, maybe more. The parts I'd be using are a Core 2 Quad Q9450 and 4GB of DDR2.
$200 for a Core i7 930 at microcenter
$200 for a SATA6/USB3 x58 motherboard
$100 for 6GB DDR3
$60 for a mATX 775 motherboard (with solid caps)
$70 for a power supply
Video card will probably have to wait, I'll make do with what's in the system now.
Do you think the Q9450 will see me through a few years of gaming? Would the Core i7 be that much of an upgrade for me?

3) Build a new AM3 system, but I'm not quite sure how much I'd want to spend. Should I save money and get an Athlon II X2 system, spend about $50 more for an Athlon II X4 system or to spend $50 more again for a Phenom II X4, or anywhere in between. This option got a little worrisome for me when I recently read an article on Tom's about the poor performance of the Athlon II range in StarCraft 2, which makes me a little worried about the longevity of the CPU.

4) Build a Clarkdale or Lynnfield based system. This option seems to be a lot more expensive than the AM3 route for not a lot more, but I could be mistaken. Really not sure where to go on this build. A Core i5 760 at microcenter is only $150, though, so it could be an enticing option as well. Same thing with the AM3 build, I'm a little worried about the longevity of the dual-cores.

The types of game vie been playing on the system are sports games (MLB 2k10, virtue tennis, etc), what could be considered console games (batman arkham asylum, borderlands, others), and a few others, so it may not require as much CPU horsepower as I think, though I want everything except the graphics card to last me 4 years (or more) if I really put any money into it.

Thanks for the advice!!
 

mfenn

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I would probably go with option #3 and an Athlon II X3 or X4. If you're happy with a X2 4400+, you will be thrilled by an Athlon II X4 640.
 

Davidh373

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Option 3, Athlon II X4

PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-033-_-Product

Processor (45W instead of 95W)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-902-_-Product

Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-651-_-Product

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-310-_-Product

Blu Ray
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135205

Total: $427.93

You still have about $200 left over from your estimate from your i7 9xx build if you want to invest that in Hard Drives or an SSD for your main system to give that a little upgrade if you so choose.
You still have a hundred
 

Davidh373

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PS... why do you have "Phenom i7 920" as your proc in your status...? I'm assuming since you said the 930 was an upgrade you have a Phenom II X4?
 

alizee

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Seems like option 3 takes the early lead. It was my first thought, too. The Athlon II X4 600e is probably not what I'm looking for. This system doesn't stay on, not even in sleep mode, so the energy efficiency won't even be close to worth it. I don't think its 2GHz will hold up, either.

Would everybody think an Athlon II X4 would be a four year CPU? $100 for 3.0GHz or maybe $135 for the Phenom II X4 945. Once I get to $135 it's hard for me to not think "only $17 more for a 955, and $13 more after that for a 965".

PS... why do you have "Phenom i7 920" as your proc in your status...? I'm assuming since you said the 930 was an upgrade you have a Phenom II X4?

It's a joke ;)
I just find it amusing (perhaps too amusing) that there are both a Phenom II X4 and Core i7 named 920. Same thing with the Geforce 9800 GTX and Radeon 9800 Pro. The part about 640k of RAM is not a joke, I don't think I'll ever need more…
I actually have a Core 2 Quad Q9450.
 

mfenn

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Seems like option 3 takes the early lead. It was my first thought, too. The Athlon II X4 600e is probably not what I'm looking for. This system doesn't stay on, not even in sleep mode, so the energy efficiency won't even be close to worth it. I don't think its 2GHz will hold up, either.

Would everybody think an Athlon II X4 would be a four year CPU? $100 for 3.0GHz or maybe $135 for the Phenom II X4 945. Once I get to $135 it's hard for me to not think "only $17 more for a 955, and $13 more after that for a 965".

Well the 965 is definitely not worth it over the 955 since they are both Black Editions. I would say to go for the 640. Once they get slow, a few percent difference between the two won't matter.
 

Davidh373

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Would everybody think an Athlon II X4 would be a four year CPU?

I'm going to say no, but I don't think at this point in time any processor is going to be. Will it physically WORK for 4 years? Likely. Will it play the newest games at 1080p with high graphics for the next four years? That's a no... :p
 

alizee

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I'm going to say no, but I don't think at this point in time any processor is going to be. Will it physically WORK for 4 years? Likely. Will it play the newest games at 1080p with high graphics for the next four years? That's a no... :p

You might be right, which is kind of why I posted in the first place. That really makes me think I shouldn't spend very much money on it at all. Get a cheap motherboard and an Athlon II X2, then upgrade every two years...
 

mfenn

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You might be right, which is kind of why I posted in the first place. That really makes me think I shouldn't spend very much money on it at all. Get a cheap motherboard and an Athlon II X2, then upgrade every two years...

That's always a good idea, with one caveat: Will you be happy with the performance of an Athlon II X2 today?
 

Davidh373

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I think you'll be happy with the Athlon II X4. Then, you have room to upgrade all the way up to the 8 cores planned for AMD's next line. I won't be buying dual cores for ANYONE anymore. When I said "I don't think at this point in time any processor is going to be [a 4 year processor]" I meant not to spend extra for intel's offerings or a beefier AMD. I'd say dual cores have about 6 months left in them AT BEST for games. Games are already requiring at least a Core2 Duo, which is a better processor than the Athlon II X2.