Upgrade or Overhaul

greyhavns

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PIII 500, Abit BE6, MAtrox G400 SB Live, 512MBs

Basically I want to play new games like they show on the reviews. I don't want to spend to much, but then if I have to, i'll just save. Is there a reasonably priced video card, or CPU i can upgrade to without wasting money. Should I invest in a new system or upgrade?
 

selfbuilt

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Probably best to upgrade your processor as well (depends on what your motherboard can handle, and what processors are still available). Your system is fairly well matched as it is, so any upgrade to one alone will make the other a bottleneck.

To give you a comparison, I once had a very similar system (AMD Duron 600, Matrox G400) that I upgraded in two parts before giving to my daugther. The first upgrade to a GeForce2 Ti graphics card nearly trippled my 3DMark 2001 scores (from 950 to 2600), while a processor upgrade to a Duron 1.3 brought me up to a 3900 score. Each upgrade cost me about $65 US individually and was well worth it. That system can definitely handle newer games quite respectfully (I played most of UT2003 on it), although not with all the "eye-candy" turned on. :)

After that, HD, memory, etc., all become limiting ... so unless you are planning to overhaul the whole thing, I would stick with a fairly well-matched processor and graphics card for the rest of your system (e.g. GeForce2 and PIII-1Ghz).
 

oldfart

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You can upgrade to a Celeron Tualatin 1.4 GHz with a Slot-T adapter. It's ~ $20 for the Slot-T and ~ $62 for a C1.4 or a C1.3 for ~ $50. For the video card, you can get a GF3 Ti200, or a Radeon 8500. That would get you going pretty well. A nice fast HD if you dont have one now would be nice as well.
 

greyhavns

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So i mean the best thing probably to do then is to wait and upgrade entirely. One thing though, is my SB Live worth to keep or not? I upgraded my HD recently so at least i'd keep that, but was wondering if the SB LIve is decent enough to keep or do the motherboards that have onboard Sound work better? ALso, how much of a performance increase are we talking before I max out my options with that celeron and Video card?
 

JSSheridan

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Sound on today's motherboards? Well, it depends. AMD boards based on nVidia's latest chipset have quality that is a bit better than the Audigy. Other onboard sound solutions are probably similar to the live, but I haven't heard. I would get a new system if I were in your position. I think a GF3 TI500 or Radeon 8500 is the minimum gaming card today. Peace.
 

newbiepcuser

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Originally posted by: EdipisReks
personally, i would wait until you could build a new system, but that is just me.

The new games require so much power to truly enjoy its full potential. So if you keep dropping money into your old machine, how long can you really stretch it out?

You might want to look later on at AMD budget gaming machine.
 

greyhavns

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so say i have about $500 to spend. What would be the best system with that amount of money? I have HD already and monitor, i just need basically MB, CPU and GRaphics card oh yeah and memory.
 

jiffylube1024

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Originally posted by: greyhavns
so say i have about $500 to spend. What would be the best system with that amount of money? I have HD already and monitor, i just need basically MB, CPU and GRaphics card oh yeah and memory.

You can definately get a great system upgrade for that much money. Here's a what I recommend; a part-by part list of what you need to get a killer rig for under $500:


-Generic ATX case w/ front USB ports (get a new case with lots of space that doesn't seem too flimsy. You can get a pretty functional one for under $50)

-350W+ Name brand Power Supply - it's always nice to have a stable Power supply so your ~2 GHz system is as stable as possible. Name brand PSU's are more expensive than generic ones, but they are rock solid and won't fry your CPU! I've found the Enermax 350W PSU (EG365-VE) to be a bargain (it's around $50). It ran my P4 at 2.3 GHz and Athlon at 1.9 GHz with no problems at all, and very little voltage fluctuations.

-KT333 or KT400 motherboard, or maybe a well-priced Nforce 2 - Get a good motherboard from ASUS, Abit, Epox, etc. based on one of these chipsets. Make sure it supports a 166MHz FSB and has a 1/5 PCI divider (you will see why in a minute). Under $100 for sure.

-256MB PC2700 or PC3200 DDR memory . Having fast memory is one of the prime reasons to build a new system - sure getting a Slotket and putting a Tualatin Celeron is convenient, but your system just won't have nearly the memory bandwidth of one with a new motherboard that supports DDR. With DDR, your new, ~2 GHz CPU won't be bottlenecked by memory speed, and will be a good bit faster than any P3/Celeron. It's $55 for Samsung PC2700 and $69 for PC3200 right now at Newegg, for example.

-AMD Athlon XP Tbred B 1700+ or AMD Athlon XP Tbred 2100+ Ok here's the deal with this CPU. It is one of the best overclocks for the money ever. With either CPU, you should be able to overclock to ~2 GHz, maybe more. The best part is that the CPU is multiplier unlocked. Here's the beautiful part. All you really need to do is set the FSB on your motherboard to 166MHz (both types of aformentioned memory will run fine at this speed - PC2700 or PC3200) and you can play around with the multipliers at 11X, 11.5X, 12X and 12.5X (which will give you CPU speeds between 1.8 and 2.07 GHz). Since your CPU is unlocked, you can change the multiplier in the BIOS without having to mess with anything in hardware! This is the easiest overclock ever, and will be so satisfying I can't even describe it. The XP1700+ is~$55 right now, the 2100+ is ~$105.

-a good heatsink, but you don't need to go nuts on it! - You can get a pretty good heatsink for your CPU without having to break the bank as many here do. I use a Thermaltake Volcano 9 (around $20) and it gets my 1700+ Tbred A (not a good overclocker) up to 1.9 GHz! I have a 2100+ Tbred B in the mail, which I'll be using very soon...

-Arctic Silver 3 CPU paste - around $5 for a 3g tube, which can do about 15-20 Athlon XP cores, or about 10 P4 cores. You could cheap out on the thermal compound, but for $5 why bother? Apply this to the bottom of your HSF as per directions (spread a very thin layer with a knife, credit card, etc) and it will help you run your CPU much cooler than the crap they give you with the HSF.

-a GeForce 4 Ti4200 or Radeon 9500 - you can search the FS/FT of this forum for a good GeForce 4 Ti4200 (preferably a 128MB version, but the 64MB version is no slouch either). 128MB version should be under $140, 64MB probably closer to $100.

Total: $430 with an XP 1700+ and a GF 4 Ti4200 64MB. If you want another 256 MB add $55, or add $85 to switch to 512MB of PC3200 memory.

For under $500, I have constructed a very well performing rig for you, complete with new memory, a new video card, etc. This should be a great rig for awhile, and will be dirt cheap to upgrade for a little while too! In my opinion, a machine like this (XP Tbred system with a 1700+ or 2100+ CPU) is the best deal out there right now. Good luck!
 

selfbuilt

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I think jiffylube has assembled a very well thought out system for you ... nicely done! But I would suggest you also consider upgrading your hard drive since you are probably using an old (and small) 5200rpm, ATA66 drive, given the age of your current system. You can easily get a decent 40GB, 7200rpm, ATA100 drive for the remaining $70 :)

If you still plan to just upgrade your CPU + GPU, no point in going above a GeForce3. But building the new system as described above for $500 would be the best choice if you can swing it.
 

greyhavns

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got a quick question about thermal paste. Where exactly should you put the paste on and on what, the cooler and CPU or just the CPU? Also, do you smear it, or just leave the cooler to smash it? Thanks again.
 

Spyro

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Originally posted by: greyhavns
got a quick question about thermal paste. Where exactly should you put the paste on and on what, the cooler and CPU or just the CPU? Also, do you smear it, or just leave the cooler to smash it? Thanks again.

This site at articsilver.com should answer your questions.
 

SickBeast

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man, it sounds like you have a nice stable system (intel) with excellent 2d output (matrox card). i would keep that system if you do any sort of graphic work and just completely buy a new system. if you really want rid of it, sell it to someone like me who does alot of cad/photoshop stuff. there's not much that you can do as far as cpus go unless you're willing to mod your board so it can run a tualatin cpu...and even then the cpu will cost you alot of money. if you want a good gaming system, this is what i reccomend:

athlon xp 2100+ or greater cpu
512mb pc2700 ram
ati radeon 9700

if you get the tualatin, it could probably push a gf4, but i think a 9700 would be overkill. good luck.