Question Upgrade Internal Network from 1gb to 10gb?

[Flourgrader]

Hello,
Can some knowledgeable person answer my question?
I have a TP-Link Archer VR2800 Router.
Its speed is 1 Gigabit across the internal Network on CAT6 cable.
I have 10 PCs on this Network.
I have a 1 Gigabit Netgear unmanaged switches.
My question is:
If I want to upgrade the internal network to 10 Gigabit
If I replace the 1 Gigabit switch for a 10 Gigabit switch
and install 10 Gigabit networking cards in the PCs.
Is that enough to achieve my goal?
OR
Do I have to replace the router as well with a 10 Gigabit speed ?
Thanks guys

 

[ch33zw1z]

What's the goal here? Are you having bottlenecks or just wanna play with 10gbit?

 

[Flourgrader]

I move a lot of video around mainly from A to B, about 50 Gig at a time.
1 Gigabit is too slow for me.
I plucked 10 Gigabit speed out of the air to kick the topic off.
I wanted to know if I have to replace the router to achieve my goal?
Thanks ch33zw1z

 

[ch33zw1z]

I move a lot of video around mainly from A to B, about 50 Gig at a time.
1 Gigabit is too slow for me.
I plucked 10 Gigabit speed out of the air to kick the topic off.
I wanted to know if I have to replace the router to achieve my goal?
Thanks ch33zw1z

If A to B is all local traffic, then no, you don't have to replace the router. You would either need a 10Gb direct link between A and B, or a 10Gb switch between them, either way A and B need 10Gb NIC's

 

[Fallen Kell]

How far apart are the two systems that you transfer video between? You might be better off with 40gbps connection just between those 2 systems (you can get refurbed/used ConnectX3-VPI cards off eBay for around $30 each and a QSFP+ DAC cable for another $30). These cards are also capable of running at 10gbps but you need to convert from QSFP+ to SFP+ and that would cost about $20-40 for the adapters.

If the systems are not in the same room, then yes, 10gbe should be possible with your CAT6 again depending on the distances. 10gbe switches are still pretty expensive. You can find switches out there that are SFP+ based for pretty cheap, and most will support a few ports being converted to supporting CAT6 cable, but most will not support all ports converted that way due to the higher power needs of the transceiver (which uses something like 3-4x the power than for optical/copper fiber).

 

[Flourgrader]

Thanks ch33zw1z,
I understand your answer
Does the file transfer then not go through the router?
Does it go from pc A to the Switch then from the Switch to pc B ?
Sorry to be a pain, I am new to all this networking stuff

 

[ch33zw1z]

Thanks ch33zw1z,
I understand your answer
Does the file transfer then not go through the router?
Does it go from pc A to the Switch then from the Switch to pc B ?
Sorry to be a pain, I am new to all this networking stuff

Yes, devices on the LAN stay at layer 2 and only go to the router (default gateway) when they can't find what they need locally.

Also, read Fallen Kell's reply. He's correct, 10Gb switches are not cheap.

 

[Flourgrader]

Thanks for your help ch33zw1z,
Its been well appreciated.
I know what you mean about prices,
I have checked them out all ready .
Thanks Fallen Kell's for your thoughts,
We are talking separate buildings 50 yards apart connected by CAT6a cable.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Thanks for your help ch33zw1z,
Its been well appreciated.
I know what you mean about prices,
I have checked them out all ready .
Thanks Fallen Kell's for your thoughts,
We are talking separate buildings 50 yards apart connected by CAT6a cable.

Is the cable exposed or in piping? Cat6a can support 10Gbe up to 100m, but I would be hesitant to use it over fiber in your implementation.

Edit: clarity for above, building to building, I would prefer to use fiber cable instead of copper.

Copper will work, but with 150 feet in-between the buildings, you have 150ft left over to work with for the runs in the buildings.

 

[mxnerd]

Data traffic does not go through router if they are in the same IP range, all you need is a switch or PC port to PC port direct connection.

Not familiar with fiber networking though.

 

[Flourgrader]

Thanks Guys, I have learnt something NEW from you.
The CAT6a cable, is armoured cable intended to be buried in the ground, it was installed by an electrician.

 

[SamirD]

Well if you have 6a between the buildings you could use some 10Gb rj45 nics and connect them point to point between the two systems, but if you have any other switches or other equipment in between them, all of those would also need to be upgraded to 10Gb.

 

[mxnerd]

if you already have/going to have burial cat6a cable installed between buildings,

following switch and NIC on each side should satisfy what you need.

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[Flourgrader]

Thanks SamirD, that had crossed my mind.
Thanks mxnerd for the links to Amazon for the hardware.
They are well appreciated as I normally buy off Amazon.
I can see where my Christmas money is going to..£404 for this little bundle!
for anyone else who is interested in reading this article.
I would guess my next bottle neck in the system would be the hard drives?
As my network will be travelling faster than what my hard drive can read/write at ?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Thanks SamirD, that had crossed my mind.
Thanks mxnerd for the links to Amazon for the hardware.
They are well appreciated as I normally buy off Amazon.
I can see where my Christmas money is going to..£404 for this little bundle!
for anyone else who is interested in reading this article.
I would guess my next bottle neck in the system would be the hard drives?
As my network will be travelling faster than what my hard drive can read/write at ?

Yep, your storage becomes the next bottleneck.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yep, your storage becomes the next bottleneck.

Noob here, would a nas (network attached storage) for a use case like this be appropriate?
Assuming switching and junk is upgraded to 10g or more
I’m thinking some kind of network raid set up. Again I know cost would be big for this solution.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Noob here, would a nas (network attached storage) for a use case like this be appropriate?
Assuming switching and junk is upgraded to 10g or more
I’m thinking some kind of network raid set up. Again I know cost would be big for this solution.

Yea, that's generally what's next for a home / small or medium office. Something with a RAID and that writes ~220MB/s+ to saturate a 1Gb/s link, otherwise what was all that money for? 😉

Lots of options out there, here's one I usually point people to, but even for businesses sometimes the costs don't agree with them. These systems are entry level to small business oriented.

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The biggest usage I see with 10Gb networking is in data centers, I haven't found it out in small shops. And typically, IMXP, 10Gb is used in an environment where multiple hosts are going to share the link(s). You might have dozens of VM's using some LAG'd 10Gb links. Some of the servers I see are a couple frames wide and have upwards of 50 logical servers running, all sharing 10Gb ethernet, 16Gb FC to enterprise SAN storage on the backend cuz frames like that have minimal storage, just enough for OS to run. /End long winded post

 

[mxnerd]

Yeah, with 10Gbps, you will need at least 4 very fast HDDs or 2 SSDs in RAID 0 or an NVMe drive to saturate the link.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yeah, with 10Gbps, you will need at least 4 very fast HDDs or 2 SSDs in RAID 0 or an NVMe drive to saturate the link.

We should call in the dude who wanted to and appearently did set up a RAID 0 with the 28(?) used 128GB ssd’s.
I have a feeling he was doing that for business and being cheap.

 

[ch33zw1z]

We should call in the dude who wanted to and appearently did set up a RAID 0 with the 28(?) used 128GB ssd’s.
I have a feeling he was doing that for business and being cheap.

lol, wtf, that's just asking for trouble man

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yeah, with 10Gbps, you will need at least 4 very fast HDDs or 2 SSDs in RAID 0 or an NVMe drive to saturate the link.

Maybe a couple NVMe drives in a RAID 1 could even pull it off, it's probably the controller that could bottleneck it tho. But a home grown FreeNAS with ZFS could probably do it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

lol, wtf, that's just asking for trouble man

Yeah he was sort of cryptic about what the use case was. He ended up being pissed that literally everyone said this was a bad, bad idea.

 

[mxnerd]

28 SSD in RAID 0 is not a bad, bad idea, it's a terrible idea! And 4 HDDs in RAID 0 is also very bad idea, just saying.

 

[ch33zw1z]

28 SSD in RAID 0 is not a bad, bad idea, it's a terrible idea!

Yep, "how much data can i lose" kinda idea. I remember some people in my travels insisting their RAID 0 with customer data on it and no backup was perfectly fine. All I could do say no way and leave it at that, it's not MY data their losing

 

[Fanatical Meat]

lol, wtf, that's just asking for trouble man

28 SSD in RAID 0 is not a bad, bad idea, it's a terrible idea!

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I think it was more than 28 ssd’s
I still stand by my comment. Sounds like a wonderful nerd project but a horrible idea.

Imagine having an entire wall of ssd’s and cabling for around 100 of them.
Someone looks at it and asks how much storage to you have in that? It is enormous.
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