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Upgrade from TI4200 in both Nvidia and ATI???

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Make sure the card you get is clocked at 300mhz (600 effective). Avoid the ez or lite version, as they are clocked slower.
 
The best 9600 pro?s generally come with 2.8ns rated Samsung memory and cost a little more ?

Powercolor Radeon 9600pro ? ?Bravo? ? ? 400/337 ? 2.8ns Samsung
Sapphire Radeon 9600pro ? 'Fireblade' ? ? 400/300 ? 2.8ns Samsung (guaranteed o/c to 337)
Gigabyte 9600pro R96P ? (R96P128D) ? ? 400/300 ? 2.8ns Samsungs ?
FIC Radeon 9600 Pro ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 400/300 ? 2.8ns Samsungs
Hercules 3D Prophet 9600 Pro ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

The 9600pro?s around $150 will usually have 3.3ns Samsungs which includes ? the Connect 9600pro, Sapphire, GigaCube, and PowerColor. TYAN Tachyon G9600 PRO 128MB has 3.6ns Hynix.

these .. guys have a Powercolor 9600pro (400/300 DDR) for $145.

All the Built By ATI retail 9600pro?s used to come exclusively with 2.8ns Samsung?s but now I think they are shipping with 3.3ns Samsungs, although the 3.3ns Samsung?s seem to be overclocking better than in the past --- it?s possible they upped the voltage slightly in the BIOS. I?ve seen 345MHz out of the 3.3?s. The 2.8?s usually didn?t go much faster than that. ATI retail has the advantage of a 3 year warranty.

Gigacube makes a ? ?Ultimate Extreme Version??of the 9600pro. It comes with 2.5ns Samsungs and is clocked 400/365 DDR --- quite a bit faster than the normal 9600 pro?s 400/300.
The Gigacube runs about $180 ? see... komusa or dvcentury
 
What is the 9800SE that are going for ~160? Is this not the 9800NP? And even if it's not, is it not faster than a 9600?

Before you buy or install an ATI, read this, this, and this (and know about game compatibilty issues as well).
 
Well looks like I have time to wait while the refund gets to me from newegg (4-5 days) and the card situation may change by then.:clock: May get to look at the 5700 Ultra as well, which Anandtech gave an awesome review of.
As for the 9800SE I couldn't find too much info about its performance for the one I saw at newegg which you can go to HERE. You can also see the brand page at Sapphire HERE.
 
🙂 YO Blastman, you have any info on the memory and overal of say 5900 and 5900 Ultra Nvidias? Also the lower ns number in memory is better.?. right?
 
Yeah, lower ns is better. My Best Buy 9600 Pro had 3.3 ns Samsung RAM on it, and I got it up to 342MHz (684DDR) Blastman's on top of the situation :beer:.
 
Yeah, I was about to get a 9600 but due to a delay in refund I am now able to consider something like in the $200-$220 range. At first I looked at the 5700 ultra, but then just realized I could get a 5900np for the same price which is much faster. 😀
 
FX5700ultra or ATI 9600pro

FX5700 ultra in stock here:


http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit=Go&description=14%2D143%2D006

BFG has one of the best warranty, if not the best, as well...

24/7 FREE TECHNICAL SUPPORT.
BFG Tech is the only NVIDIA-based graphic card supplier that has round-the-clock toll-free telephone and email technical support.


LIFETIME WARRANTY.
Other vendors may claim to have a ?lifetime warranty?, but closer inspection of their policy reveals that ?lifetime? is defined as products currently on the shelf and in production.


http://www.bfgtech.com/

The 5900 non-ultra is just a small amount more for a some extra performance.
 
Forget a 5700U, buy a 5900 for a tiny bit more and get a much faster card. I think XFX GF4's were rated well, but I haven't heard as much about the company since. SharkyExtreme's review of the XFX 5900U is the latest one of an XFX card I've seen. (Funky box. 🙂)

(XFX has a good-looking though slightly sparse website, BTW.)
 
Well I ended up getting an EVGA 5900 nu which has the 2.2ns memory. Seems to work great. 😀

On the task bar there is Nvida settings and looking through it has a selection for image settings. I didnt know it offered the oportunity to select performance level. cool...
Anyway, pretty happy so far.
 
i have to dissagree.. and im starting a flame war,

nvidia sux

ATI is the leader right now.. go with them, thats all there is to it... I would rather have a 9600 pro than a 5900........ i always think in HL2 terms, biggest game of the friggin century... u have to keep it in mind. And nvidia has crap for DX9 cards
 
Originally posted by: Evdawg
i have to dissagree.. and im starting a flame war,

nvidia sux

ATI is the leader right now.. go with them, thats all there is to it... I would rather have a 9600 pro than a 5900........ i always think in HL2 terms, biggest game of the friggin century... u have to keep it in mind. And nvidia has crap for DX9 cards
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Yes, you are starting a flame war..so quit being such a fan boy. You can't tell me that for $200 the 5900 isn't a good competitor. The guy already bought his card anyways and it sounds like he's perfectly happy with it. End of thread.
 
Originally posted by: Evdawg
i have to dissagree.. and im starting a flame war,

nvidia sux

ATI is the leader right now.. go with them, thats all there is to it... I would rather have a 9600 pro than a 5900........ i always think in HL2 terms, biggest game of the friggin century... u have to keep it in mind. And nvidia has crap for DX9 cards
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Pretty big words about HL2. Although I rather have a card that is generally good for every game out there, instead of a card pretty much geared for only one or two games.
 
Originally posted by: LotharJade
Well I ended up getting an EVGA 5900 nu which has the 2.2ns memory. Seems to work great. 😀

On the task bar there is Nvida settings and looking through it has a selection for image settings. I didnt know it offered the oportunity to select performance level. cool...
Anyway, pretty happy so far.
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Very nice choice - that's definately one of the fastest cards out there.

Originally posted by: Evdawg
i have to dissagree.. and im starting a flame war,

nvidia sux

ATI is the leader right now.. go with them, thats all there is to it... I would rather have a 9600 pro than a 5900........ i always think in HL2 terms, biggest game of the friggin century... u have to keep it in mind. And nvidia has crap for DX9 cards
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Although I agree with you that I'd rather have a top of the line ATI card (ie 9800) over the Nvidia offering (ie 5900), for the money, you can't beat the $200 5900.

Also, HL2 is one game, and more importantly not out until April. This is a big issue. I agree, HL2 does look like the game of the century for PC (or at least, in the top 10 - and we haven't even seen the final build yet; it's just so dang impressive), however by April, there will be newer and better cards out, or right about to be released. At the current framerates cards are getting on HL2 betas (ie 40-60 fps) I myself would not be happy, seeing as they would most likely dip into the 20's during intense firefights.

The 5900 is proven to be (in pretty much all modern games) within 10% of the ATI cards. Yes, the DX9 performance is lacking from what we've seen so far, however Nvidia has done some performance optimizations recently (as DX9 benchies are showing). Also, for all current games, the 5900 is king (or maybe more correctly, Queen 😉 ), right up there with the 9800 series.

About getting the 9600 - forget it. The 5900 blows the 9600 out of the water in anything out there. As for HL2, it's wait-and-see. I've seen the preliminary benchmarks and neither card looks to be very good for HL2. And as said above, in anything else, you will feel like a dumbass for buying the 9600. Especially since the 9600Pro is only something like 10% faster than the Ti4200 he's replacing.
 
Originally posted by: Evdawg
i have to dissagree.. and im starting a flame war,

nvidia sux

ATI is the leader right now.. go with them, thats all there is to it... I would rather have a 9600 pro than a 5900........ i always think in HL2 terms, biggest game of the friggin century... u have to keep it in mind. And nvidia has crap for DX9 cards
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Well maybe some people think in Doom III terms and look up some ATI OpenGL benchmarks:Q.

Link to Anand's Doom III preview benchmarks
Don't say anything about this being a beta\preview release either....
 
im really not much of a fan boy.... ive had nvidia cards before this 9700... but, i was just commenting. Ok you can get a 9800 Non pro for 200 right? Theyre still out there, ive seen em on ebay brand new going for about 215. Softmod to a pro, overclock... and youll have a faster card than anything on the market for the same price he got his 5900. Thats my point. Yea sry i posted and read up and saw he already bought =\

Hope you like it! im sure its very fast... but i always speak in HL2 terms because it is gonna be on everyones computer.... if youre a gamer. How loud are the fans on the 5900? And what are the dB on the 5800's? i never could find it


EDIT: Do you think nvidia and ati are slipping money in the back, so the games are based on their cards? Sure does look like it. We'll see i guess
 
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