Upgrade from NEC 20WMGX2

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josh6079

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I currently own the GX2 and love it. However, I've recently moved into a new house and the room holding the computer is way too bright in the day time and I don't want to black out the windows. I constantly have horrible glare when gaming in daylight hours because of the NEC's coating, but I love the monitor's quality and the coating helps that.

I also am interested in getting a slightly larger monitor since my taste in games has changed and I have the flexibility to endulge in higher resolutions than 1680x1050. Also, due to the new physical layout of the room, a larger monitor would be nice.

I was just wondering if there has been any introductions since the NEC that really compete with it's picture quality without the reflective coating and offer more surface area. I've read the recent review Anandtech did with the Gateway and it looked like a good candidate had it not been for the banding that they mentioned. Quite honestly, I'm behind in my knowledge of current LCD displays and I don't want to make a premature purchase if something is going to be hitting the market soon or if I'm not looking at the right brand for the moment.

Any input would be appreciated.
 
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TheRyuu

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Not really, IMO.

You can still go bigger but not exactly a higher quality image.

For example, Dell 2407 would be more of a sidestep then an upgrade. The IQ would probably not be as good but the screen would sure be bigger.
 
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I'm getting the 30" Dell HC 3007 - It's the new one faster and better color than the old. But In all honestly I expect I'll be a little let down.

Opticlear is both a blessing and a curse.

You can buy it now if you got a Dell corporate rep you deal with, otherwise if unemployed like me you have to wait 3 weeks.
 
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Originally posted by: wizboy11
Not really, IMO.

You can still go bigger but not exactly a higher quality image.

For example, Dell 2407 would be more of a sidestep then an upgrade. The IQ would probably not be as good but the screen would sure be bigger.
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What he said. If I was looking to move up in screen size from the 20WMGX2 right now, I'd go with the BenQ FP241W (or maybe the Dell 2407 if I was guaranteed a rev. A04). I wouldn't bother with a 22" since most, if not all of them, are TNs (a big downgrade from your IPS panel) and it wouldn't be as great of an increase in screen size. At least with a 24" you'd notice a rather large increase in screen real estate, but don't expect the IQ of your current display. According to many, you've got pretty much the cream of the crop when it comes to LCD image quality. Moving to any other panel will most likely mean a reduction in IQ...but one of the 24 inchers might be a good compromise between image quality and size.
 
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Sorry guys 24s are a downgrade period since they are all VAs. Ive tried a couple with good intentions deperate to move up from 20" and no go. color shifting and slow relative. All you got is size and thats only good in car accidents or trying to please a stripper..
 
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Originally posted by: wizboy11
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NEC LCD2690WUXi or the upcoming NEC 24WMGX2 (which actually may be glossy).

The 2690 costs an arm and a leg but it is certainly a good display. Not sure about response time/input lag though, I believe it will be worse on the 2690.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824002169
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lol@price

Is it a IPS panel? Thats the only way I'd pay that much for a monitor.
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Yup, specially modified for photo editing (I believe they call it A-TW-IPS [advanced true white IPS]). It contains a color filter optimized for natural/skin tones.

Even though it's certainly not advertised as a consumer multimedia monitor, I'm disappointed with the connectivity offered by the 2690. At that price it seems like they could at least give you component in.
 
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Sorry guys 24s are a downgrade period since they are all VAs. Ive tried a couple with good intentions deperate to move up from 20" and no go. color shifting and slow relative. All you got is size and thats only good in car accidents or trying to please a stripper..
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I think you've made your opinion perfectly clear in other threads. :) I totally respect it, and the 20WMGX2 is a beautiful panel for sure, but keep in mind there are people that think size DOES matter and will accept a reduction in image quality if it means having more pixels or a larger screen. The fact is, you can fit more onto a desktop @ 1920x1200 than one at 1680x1050, and some people want that.

Personally, I haven't made up my mind which one matters more to me. Ideally I'd want the 24" version of the 20WMGX2, but apparently that's not going to happen any time soon (and if it did, the Dell 3007 would probably be near the price of it and that would be a tough choice also :confused: ).
 
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Unless you like 19's huge pixels and screen door effects stay away from 26". But you got that old man avatar may be useful at this stage of life.:p Seriously it's got to be awesome but $1750 for 'only' 26" with no return guarantee like Dell's got going...risky
 
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Originally posted by: Imyourzero
Originally posted by: Zebo
Sorry guys 24s are a downgrade period since they are all VAs. Ive tried a couple with good intentions deperate to move up from 20" and no go. color shifting and slow relative. All you got is size and thats only good in car accidents or trying to please a stripper..
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I think you've made your opinion perfectly clear in other threads. :) I totally respect it, and the 20WMGX2 is a beautiful panel for sure, but keep in mind there are people that think size DOES matter and will accept a reduction in image quality if it means having more pixels or a larger screen. The fact is, you can fit more onto a desktop @ 1920x1200 than one at 1680x1050, and some people want that.

Personally, I haven't made up my mind which one matters more to me. Ideally I'd want the 24" version of the 20WMGX2, but apparently that's not going to happen any time soon (and if it did, the Dell 3007 would probably be near the price of it and that would be a tough choice also :confused: ).
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Thats what great about Dell. You can order the 24 like I did totally risk free..all it costs is time. The 24" version of the GX2 will be VA too it will be interesting to see how colors shape out from behind it's Opticlear coat which the OP no longer wants, but you can't fix it's lag and slow pixels if you're sensitive to it.

BTW_ I was joking...I made clear in other threads for average people they consider size and cost almost exculsive of IQ , that's what killing IPS.
 
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Another possibility is the upcomming NEC LCD2490WUXi using LGP's brand new LM240WU1 panel. It'll be the first S-IPS 24" LCD and I have to assume HP, Apple and those others still using the 23" panel will follow with thier own.. It's fast, S-IPS and has a matte screen which you seem to prefer. Problem is cost ~$1400. NEC isn't in the business of making bargain-basement monitors, this product is no exception being from it's super highend 90 series..... 4 yrs full warranty, killer stand, electronics and HW tweak options galore. Another 3 week wait for this one too.

http://www.provantage.com/nec-display-solutions-lcd2490wuxi-bk~7NECL08W.htm
 
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Thanks for all of the input guys. At this point I feel it is best to wait and just base my gaming schedule on the sun. Eh, some hours at the gym in the day instead of hours of gaming probably wouldn't hurt anyways.

Thanks again.
 
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xtknight, you make people run screaming by linking Newegg's ridiculous MSRP++ asking price - mine was $1551.75 + shipping... $200 less...

NEC's 2490WUXi should be available in a few weeks, it'll only cost ya an arm and a foot :p It has everything from the 26" except only 72% gamut and maybe 10 bit LUTs vs 12 (not sure on that one). All the same inputs (DVI-D, DVI-I, VGA) and features otherwise. Finer pixel pitch obviously.

24WMGX2 has been confirmed to be a glossy S-PVA. Phooey.

I reviewed the 2690 at WSGF - My general impression re: gaming speed is that it may be a hair slower than 20WMGX2, but I certainly wouldn't classify it as slow. It certainly clobbers PVA. There's a small amount of blur that'll manifest in a fast game; it's been a while since I played with GX2 so I can't recall too much. If you sometimes detect a bit of blur on your GX2, then you'd probably find WUXi to be in the same ballpark. I don't notice it much unless I go hunting for it, except for bright reds/oranges where it can get a bit more noticeable sometimes.

Warranty is 4 yrs with option to purchase extensions and express replacement plans. Standard warranty offers advance replacements. Dead pixel policy is 3 dead, 3 stuck or a combination of 4.

I really like my WUXi :) It does have one issue with some uneven bezel pressure which I really should put in a call to NEC about. But it's brought a new level of joy to the computing experience.
 
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Just buy some nice curtains. :)

3007WFP isn't really suitable for gaming unless you want to cut the resolution in half or run SLI with the latest and greatest always. I'm sorry, but pushing 4 megapixels all the time is like committing yourself to the bleeding edge sanitarium for as long as you own the panel.

24" is where you want to be, but like others said, the current available options probably won't suit your tastes. Just depends on personal preference and what you can live with. The next round of contenders will be here pretty soon though. The Dell Rev. A04 is here now with most new buyers reporting A04. You can pick one up on Ebay for $575-600 guaranteed A04 (not sure how easy it is to transfer warranty with Dell). My main concern with the A04 is that it probably still suffers from input lag.

Other contenders include the updated BenQs (VW and WZ), a recently announced LG 24", and the NEC WMGX2. I checked out the others mentioned in this thread, like the WUXis and honestly, I only see lost potential with the limited input options and inability to do 1:1 pixel mapping.

Edit: Forgot to mention the 24" Sceptre that was also recently announced. Aimed at gamers and has 2 HDMI ports, so hopefully it puts an emphasis on ghosting and input lag.
 
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Estimated price on the 24WMGX2? I wonder if it'll be in the same ballpark as the Dell 2407 and BenQ FP241W. If so, even though it's a PVA unit it might be a great alternative to the other 24" PVAs for people that prefer a glossy screen.
 
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Originally posted by: chizow
Other contenders include the updated BenQs (VW and WZ), a recently announced LG 24", and the NEC WMGX2. I checked out the others mentioned in this thread, like the WUXis and honestly, I only see lost potential with the limited input options and inability to do 1:1 pixel mapping.
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The WUXi has 1:1, aspect and also user adjustable scaling. No component inputs or interlaced resolutions may be a minus for some, but for HDMI you can always grab one of those $5 dongles from Monoprice.
 
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Originally posted by: josh6079
Thanks for all of the input guys. At this point I feel it is best to wait and just base my gaming schedule on the sun. Eh, some hours at the gym in the day instead of hours of gaming probably wouldn't hurt anyways.

Thanks again.
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Not at all! I recommend lots of exercise 8)
 
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3007WFP isn't really suitable for gaming unless you want to cut the resolution in half or run SLI with the latest and greatest always. I'm sorry, but pushing 4 megapixels all the time is like committing yourself to the bleeding edge sanitarium for as long as you own the panel.
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The 30" size actually seems better than 24" in this respect. Even a 24" LCD will require you to buy top notch graphics hardware to play at 1920x1200, considering all the bloated games we're getting these days. On the other hand, you can run a 30" LCD at 1280x800 for newer games, which is still fairly respectable if you sit a distance from it, and 2560x1600 will work nicely in older games that aren't as demanding. I also remember seeing a forum post somewhere that the Dell 30" had significantly less input lag than many of the 24" models, although I don't know if that has anything to do with the size.

I'm still holding out for the 24" GX2 though, despite reports of it being a PVA. I can't stand the grainy look of LCDs which don't have the glossy coating and the current 20" one is too short for my liking. Maybe NEC will be able to reduce the input lag and motion blur to acceptable levels, although I am not very hopeful about the latter. My current CRT is just about perfect, but I'll be moving in the summer and transporting it (without damaging or miscalibrating it in any way) may be difficult.
 
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Not at all! I recommend lots of exercise 8)
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You callin me fat?

:p
3007WFP isn't really suitable for gaming unless you want to cut the resolution in half or run SLI with the latest and greatest always.
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That's no longer an issue for me since my gaming tastes have changed. I don't need dual-GPU's to run the game I play.
 
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patentman

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Just invest in some blinds for the windows. I know you said you don;t want to black out the windows, but giving up a GX2 to avoid using blinds is silly IMO. I am a fellow GX2 owner. Best money I ever spent!

 
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Originally posted by: patentman
Just invest in some blinds for the windows. I know you said you don;t want to black out the windows, but giving up a GX2 to avoid using blinds is silly IMO. I am a fellow GX2 owner. Best money I ever spent!
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same here. mov e your desk. if possible. its worth it. i did that.
 
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josh6079

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Just invest in some blinds for the windows. I know you said you don;t want to black out the windows, but giving up a GX2 to avoid using blinds is silly IMO.
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I might have to resort to that, but would rather avoid doing so if possible.

However, the glare is just one problem. I'd also appreciate some more screen size due to the new room. Is 24" really that much of a noticable difference over 20"?
 
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