Upgrade from AMD x2-3800 to FX-60

[videopho]

Assuming I could sell my current x2-3800 for $100 so that I can use the fund toward the 4800 plus $100 out of pocket.
Is it worth it?
The rig is used mainly gaming/video-dvd-hdtv streaming stuffs.

EDITED: I changed from 4400 (original post) to FX-60 whose price has dropped to an all time low of $329 Retailed or $299 for OEM version.

 

[BlueWeasel]

Why not just overclock the 3800+ to the speed of the 4800+?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
Why not just overclock the 3800+ to the speed of the 4800+?

:light:
:thumbsup:
:beer:

 

[tallman45]

Yes, a $100 outlay will get you a Proc that is able to get to a higher clock spped with less effort, plus extra L2 cache does make a difference, albiet small.

Where can you find a 4800+ for $200 ?

 

[Duvie]

sckt 939 chips seems to be experience rise in prices as their supply is dwindling. You wont notice the cache much in the Athlon box becuase it is too fvcking small anyways.

I would just OC that 3800+ which is 2ghz or 10x200 to a nice 10x250 for 2.5ghz and call it good. MOst will do that easily. If your ram cannot run at 500ddr just use one of the dividers to keep the memory as close to 400ddr as possible.


20% increase in clock speed is just not worth the cost to upgrade and the hassle of doing it IMO...

plus I would not get too much further in AMDs dying sckt 939platform...

 

[Duvie]

I think you can find them on ebay for those prices, but the odd thing is the stores are rather high priced for them...PPl on AT and other forums have trouble selling them without extreme slashes in prices.

Frankly AMD's whole sckt939 line is not worth the price based on performance to INtel chips at the moment.

 

[tallman45]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I think you can find them on ebay for those prices, but the odd thing is the stores are rather high priced for them...PPl on AT and other forums have trouble selling them without extreme slashes in prices.

Frankly AMD's whole sckt939 line is not worth the price based on performance to INtel chips at the moment.

Please post how for $100 he can move to an Intel platform now. Many people do not want to start from scratch and get rid of their MB, Memory, Old proc, not to mention all OS and apps must be reinstalled and configured all over again.

 

[ZOXXO]

Originally posted by: tallman45

Please post how for $100 he can move to an Intel platform now.

The same way he plans to move to an x2-4800 for $100.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: tallman45

Originally posted by: Duvie
I think you can find them on ebay for those prices, but the odd thing is the stores are rather high priced for them...PPl on AT and other forums have trouble selling them without extreme slashes in prices.

Frankly AMD's whole sckt939 line is not worth the price based on performance to INtel chips at the moment.

Please post how for $100 he can move to an Intel platform now. Many people do not want to start from scratch and get rid of their MB, Memory, Old proc, not to mention all OS and apps must be reinstalled and configured all over again.

Please read and understand....

I never said he could....His rationale of selling his this for so much and buying that for so much is his own. i am just saying he could find something cheaper then etailers by looking at ebay...and likely the forums...

I already said in my first this upgrade is worthless...

 

[tallman45]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: tallman45

Originally posted by: Duvie
I think you can find them on ebay for those prices, but the odd thing is the stores are rather high priced for them...PPl on AT and other forums have trouble selling them without extreme slashes in prices.

Frankly AMD's whole sckt939 line is not worth the price based on performance to INtel chips at the moment.

Please post how for $100 he can move to an Intel platform now. Many people do not want to start from scratch and get rid of their MB, Memory, Old proc, not to mention all OS and apps must be reinstalled and configured all over again.

Please read and understand....

I never said he could....His rationale of selling his this for so much and buying that for so much is his own. i am just saying he could find something cheaper then etailers by looking at ebay...and likely the forums...

I already said in my first this upgrade is worthless...

You wrote:
Frankly AMD's whole sckt939 line is not worth the price based on performance to INtel chips at the moment.

He only needs to spend $100 how is that frankly not worth the performance ?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: tallman45

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: tallman45

Originally posted by: Duvie
I think you can find them on ebay for those prices, but the odd thing is the stores are rather high priced for them...PPl on AT and other forums have trouble selling them without extreme slashes in prices.

Frankly AMD's whole sckt939 line is not worth the price based on performance to INtel chips at the moment.

Please post how for $100 he can move to an Intel platform now. Many people do not want to start from scratch and get rid of their MB, Memory, Old proc, not to mention all OS and apps must be reinstalled and configured all over again.

Please read and understand....

I never said he could....His rationale of selling his this for so much and buying that for so much is his own. i am just saying he could find something cheaper then etailers by looking at ebay...and likely the forums...

I already said in my first this upgrade is worthless...

You wrote:
Frankly AMD's whole sckt939 line is not worth the price based on performance to INtel chips at the moment.

He only needs to spend $100 how is that frankly not worth the performance ?

it is not worth the 400mhz or 20% of performance increase. I said he should just OC his 3800+ X2 and save the money altogether...

Frankly AMD's whole sckt939 line is not worth the price based on performance to INtel chips at the moment.

As for this I stand by that. look at pricewatch for the cost of sckt 939 chips right now. tell me or show me where they are worth the price when we know its performance comparison to C2Ds...

honestly I dont know how you have incorrectly warped this in to some debate...It must be a lack of comprehension...

 

[The-Noid]

Originally posted by: Duvie

honestly I dont know how you have incorrectly warped this in to some debate...It must be a lack of comprehension...

Agree 100%

 

[videopho]

O/C the processor is not much of an option since the mobo is an ECS.
Like I stated I could rid off the 3800 and get the 4800 for > $100 and with extra cache sizes and .4ghz faster which may translate into ~ 10%-20% gain in performance may be worth pulling the trigger.
The s939 processor is getting harder and harder to find nowadays it seems.

 

[Duvie]

Yeah the ECS mobos suck..they usually never lock the pci clock right.....

Your call...how much do you need 10-20%? Is it worth $100 for you?

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: videopho
O/C the processor is not much of an option since the mobo is an ECS.

Depends on which ECS board. Some are overclockable - enough to usually hit the CPU limitations (x2 3800+ at 2.4-2.6GHz). The overclockable ECS boards are the ones based on the Nforce chipsets (and maybe ATI chipsets). If you have a SiS or VIA chipset, then you're SOL.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: videopho
O/C the processor is not much of an option since the mobo is an ECS.
Like I stated I could rid off the 3800 and get the 4800 for > $100 and with extra cache sizes and .4ghz faster which may translate into ~ 10%-20% gain in performance may be worth pulling the trigger.
The s939 processor is getting harder and harder to find nowadays it seems.

When you say 10-20% performance increase... I hope you're not referring to gaming. Because it might not be the case. You won't have much (if any) visible difference in gaming I don't think.

 

[videopho]

Well...I did use the phrase "may translate" meaning I'd be happy if it could give me 15% increase in overall performance and I do not expect gamings wouldn't make that much difference anyway in terms of fps.

Yeah, the mobo s^cks when it comes to o/c'ing. It is the K1-Lite (nforce 4) that came as a freebee when bought with a cpu from Fry's b&m. The most I could get out of it is ~ 2.30ghz before it starts freezing up on me, other than that it has been a dependable workhorse and does what it's supposed to do for over a year now.

I do lot of work in video encoding stuffs where I hope the 4800 might give me a better edge than the current cpu.

Very few places now still carry the 4800 in-stock and it's getting fewer as I speak so I need to move on it now or I'd have to wait for another year before committing to a new build with different chip-sets and alike.

 

[Rottie]

my 4800+ X2 on ECS KV2 mobo runs good with Adobe Premeire Pro while I run 2 other programs the performance is good much better than my old A64 3500+ single core.

 

[videopho]

I think I am going for the 4400 (1mb L2) which I've just found used for $165 by one of the fellow AT mates @ FT/FS forum and I'll keep the 3800 for another cheap build later on.
Performance wise between these two processors 3800 vs 4400, based on some reviews & benchmarks I've researched the 4400 has ~10% gain over the 3800 which is the slowest among the x2 core.

THW Guide Processors compare charts 3dmark06 cpu

 

[SickBeast]

Very silly upgrade IMO.

Save up for a new rig in 6 months. See the Barcelona thread! :beer:

 

[videopho]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Very silly upgrade IMO.

Save up for a new rig in 6 months. See the Barcelona thread! :beer:

Sure silly it may sound but for the delta of $65 (sell off my x2-3800 for $100) for ~ 10% gain which I still think is a steal that keeps my current rig lasting at least another year if not longer.
On the other hand, the Barcelona or whatever it is called is yet to cost several hundreds if not thousand i.e. mobo, ram, etc. for me to jump on.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: videopho

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Very silly upgrade IMO.

Save up for a new rig in 6 months. See the Barcelona thread! :beer:

Sure silly it may sound but for the delta of $65 (sell off my x2-3800 for $100) for ~ 10% gain which I still think is a steal that keeps my current rig lasting at least another year if not longer.
On the other hand, the Barcelona or whatever it is called is yet to cost several hundreds if not thousand i.e. mobo, ram, etc. for me to jump on.

I agee....early adopters will pay a premium plus actual performance claims are speculation and marketing hype until we see reviews.

I think a smart upgrade is still a C2D now with the realization you can add a quad core kentsfield into it later when they become very economical. AMD as no upgrade path like that currently.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: videopho

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Very silly upgrade IMO.

Save up for a new rig in 6 months. See the Barcelona thread! :beer:

Sure silly it may sound but for the delta of $65 (sell off my x2-3800 for $100) for ~ 10% gain which I still think is a steal that keeps my current rig lasting at least another year if not longer.
On the other hand, the Barcelona or whatever it is called is yet to cost several hundreds if not thousand i.e. mobo, ram, etc. for me to jump on.

10% is very incremental for $65 IMO.

I only tend to upgrade when I double my performance.

Barcelona will not be outrageously expensive; probably around the current cost of A64s once it goes mainstream.

If I were you, I would try to get a higher-end chip like an Opteron or FX if I were to even upgrade a cheap motherboard like that.

I think your best bet is to pawn off the entire setup on FS/FT, then go with a C2D setup which would give you a very nice boost over what you're using (plus you could wind up with a quality motherboard that could last you a fair bit longer).

 

[videopho]

"I think your best bet is to pawn off the entire setup on FS/FT, then go with a C2D setup which would give you a very nice boost over what you're using (plus you could wind up with a quality motherboard that could last you a fair bit longer"

You now are suggesting to spend hundreds or even thousand more than my proposed $65, ie. cpu, mobo, ram, etc. and there is no guarantee to double in performance?

 

[Markfw]

ah.... $500 minus what you get, and you are virtually guaranteed to get twice the performance. (in all but games)