UPDATED: Warm? Razer Plasma Edition Diamondback Mouse

[rizorith]

The think with the Razer is it's ambidextrous so those of us who are lefties don't really have much choice in a gaming mouse.

I used to use the logitech mx300 which was pretty good but I've heard this is the best for lefties.

 

[rizorith]

just a fyi for anyone who ordered from tigetdirect through amazon.com - it won't ship until friday the 27th. I don't know if it was released late or tigerdirect is just sending it out late. The website said the 24th or 23rd.

 

[mkygod]

Originally posted by: rizorith
just a fyi for anyone who ordered from tigetdirect through amazon.com - it won't ship until friday the 27th. I don't know if it was released late or tigerdirect is just sending it out late. The website said the 24th or 23rd.

Thanks for the info. I've read some people on the http://razer.tigga.org/ forums started getting their mice in from Razer Europe around the 24th. And the last couple days, it says "shipping now" on Razer's site.

Apparently, there are some subtle technical differences, including fixes with the new Plasma according to Razerguy (Razer's CEO):

"We use a proprietary chip for the Plasma; however I will tell you that it?s based on the A3080. In other words, there?s no pixel-skipping, no negative acceleration and a slight improvement in tracking on dark surfaces over the A3070."

FYI. The A3080 is found on the MX518 and original Diamondback.

 

[Capitalist]

About time they shipped... can't wait to retire the old Boomslang.

 

[Pugnax]

Ah thanks for the update. I can't wait to get mine

 

[mkygod]

Update: Some US people have reported receiving their Plasmas in the mail. But they preordered straight through Razerzone.com. Thirdparty sites like Tigerdirect may take a little longer so be patient.

I've emailed Tigerdirect and they said it would start shipping by the "very end of May". On the site it currently says 7-12 days.

Check top post for updated deal at amazon.com for only 42.99.

 

[jiwq]

So whats the difference between plasma and the regular diamondback? just blue lights?

 

[mkygod]

It uses infrared, which supposedly tracks better on dark color mousepads. And according to Razerguy, it fixes a few minor issues with previous diamondbacks like pixel skipping and negative acceleration.

 

[the FooL]

plasma has white lights.
regular has red lights.

I have the mx1000 and the diamondback.
I wish they had used a larger body, like the original boomslangs.
I've got big hands.

 

[mkygod]

Remember, this mouse is limited to 5000, once supply has run out, there will be no more, according to Razer. Seems to have sold out in many online Euro stores. US Online stores seem to have just gotten them in.

For reference, over 250,000 Diamondback mouses have been sold worldwide since it came out last year. So don't be surprised if the Plasma mouse becomes hard to find in the near future. I would jump on the Amazon.com deal if it werent for me already ordering from Tigerdirect.

 

[felix5]

Hello, I'm in Canada and we finally have it here now for $50 CDN at Amazon.ca ...

Razer Diamondback Salamander Mouse
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/B...S/redflagdealsc-20/702-1820839-7487221

Razer Diamondback Chameleon Mouse
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/B...E/redflagdealsc-20/702-1820839-7487221

My question is, what is the size of this compared to the original Logitech Wheel Mouse? I have small hands and I have tried them all, but the "perfect" shaped mice for my hands are still the original Logitech. When I first saw this mouse I was like "wow, maybe this is the mouse I've been looking for!" But then I saw some measurements off some website and they seem larger than the Logitech .. and about the same as the Logitech MediaPlay Wireless mouse (which I had but didn't find it very comfortable since my fingers require more pressure to press the buttons). If anyone can confirm I'd really appreciate it.

Also, is it true about the Plasma edition having infrared and fixing problems? Not just a difference in colour? If so maybe I'll wait till it goes down in price over here.

 

[mkygod]

From what ive read, the shape is very similar to the original Logitech Wheel Mouse (My current mouse is the Logitech iFeel wheel mouse). I read a forum poster say that if you didnt have a Diamondback in a store to try out, then try the logitech wheel mouse for reference. It's one of the reasons why i chose the Diamondback. I didnt want the hand molded feel of the MX510/518 shape.

The Viper is probably closer the the Logitech Wheel mouse in size; the Diamondback looks like it will be slightly wider and longer out in front, because of the buttons being longer. But the length shouldnt effect your hands grip on the mouse.

It's true about the infrared (theres no red light at the bottom where the lens is, just invisible infrared). The part about the problems being fixed is not confirmed yet, just claimed by Razer's CEO.

 

[felix5]

Thanks for the quick reply! So the older Viper is using the same technology as the older DiamondBack? Is it really smaller? Because from the pics it looks kind of longer or the same size.


The Viper is even cheaper .. only $30 CDN.
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/B...r_8_xs_ap_i5_xgl65/702-1820839-7487221


And I found another Canadian retailer carrying the Plasma ..
Razer Diamondback? Plasma L.E Infrared Optical Gaming Mouse
http://www.genitechcomputers.com/produc...frared_optical_gaming_mouse/index.html


As you can see in the second link, the measurements they posted are : 5.04" length x 2.5" width x 1.54" height

Can anyone confirm those are exact? Because I measured my Logitech wheel mouse several times, and it's actually quite a bit smaller than those measurements above. I really was looking forward to this mouse and just don't want to be disappointed like the dozens of other mice I've tried.

 

[mkygod]

I would probably avoid the Viper mouse after reading about its many problems. It uses the same chip as MX510 i think (800dpi), but its lens is augmented to produce 1000dpi. I think the Viper is pretty much a prototype for the Diamondback that just wasnt quite ready for primetime.

I just measured my Logitech ifeel wheel mouse and its

4.7" length x 2.5" width x 1.4" height

So there you go, its almost exactly the same width and height, but only 1/4 of a inch longer. Like i said, the front is a little longer to accomdate the large buttons, but it shouldnt effect the way you hold your mouse.

Im not sure when i get my Razer Plasma; i preordered it from Tigerdirect. When i get it i can tell you, but hopefully it wont be sold out by then. I've been using my logitech mouse for the last 4 years and the Razer is gonna be its replacement. Ive used Logitech mice exclusively for 8 years until now.

 

[felix5]

hmm .. I'm getting the same measurements as you for my logitech except it's smaller than 2.5" wide (more like 2.3"?)

I'm thinking of getting the Viper for now, then maybe wait for a better price on the Plasma. Is the Viper really bad? I don't mind the 800dpi .. I don't game that much actually. Just looking for the perfect size which is the most important to me.

 

[mkygod]

The main issue it seems w/ the Viper is tracking problems at high speeds

 

[felix5]

Does that mean if you flick the mouse occasionally the pointer will go to the other side of the screen like with some mice?

 

[deepinya]

Do not waste your money on the Viper. Its so damn buggy and Im shocked Razer is still trying to sell that pos onto unsuspecting buyers.

 

[mkygod]

ya what he said. Keep in mind that the Viper is Razer's first optical mouse, so in a way it was the guinea pig mouse that was used in creating the Diamondback, which also has its share of problems (albeit minor ones). And now the Plasma is coming out, that supposedly is sposed to fix what was wrong w/ the Diamondbacks. I guess we'll see bout that soon when everyone's gettin in their plasmas.

 

[fleshconsumed]

felix5
Actually DB is not that much bigger than logitech. I had logitech BJ58 for gaming very long time and now have DB (albeit now in exchange due to a faulty button). Logitech is slightly shorter than DB, but it's also higher, so overall is's a tossup. It's just a matter of what you prefer - smaller height or smaller length. Logitech has shorter click travel, that might be important in some games, but I personally prefer DB click, it's much smoother and more pleasant - after all I spend a lot more time in windows than gaming. If you truly want mouse as close to your logitech is possible then viper fits all criteria, it's shorter than DB and height is closer to the logitech. I cannot comment on the tracking issues though as I never had one.

You can search for reviews, I'm sure I've seen one review which had photos of DB right against MX300, that might give you an idea of the size.

 

[ZazuToo]

The DB is a great mouse but so is the MX518. It really does come down to what shape you like. However, the red and green DB's use the A3070 chip for the sensor that has a pixel skip at some settings. The new LE blue one is based off the A3080, which is the chip in the MX518, and fixes this.
Here's a quote from razerguy "We use a proprietary chip for the Plasma; however I will tell you that it?s based on the A3080. In other words, there?s no pixel-skipping, no negative acceleration and a slight improvement in tracking on dark surfaces over the A3070."

If ya want more info check out the forums at http://razer.tigga.org/

 

[Derektm]

If I was to order a Razer right now.... which of these is best to get?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de...659142?v=glance&s=electronics&n=172282

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de...659142?v=glance&s=electronics&n=172282

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de...659142?v=glance&s=electronics&n=172282

Thanks

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: Derektm
If I was to order a Razer right now.... which of these is best to get?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de...659142?v=glance&s=electronics&n=172282

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de...659142?v=glance&s=electronics&n=172282

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de...659142?v=glance&s=electronics&n=172282

Thanks

Plasma is supposed to fix several minor glitches in the original DB, but since no one has it yet, it's impossible to tell if they have actually been fixed. I ordered plasma already, but it probably won't arrive till the end of next week, possible even till the beginning of the week after that. I also should have a NIB green DB I RMA's last driday in about two weeks. I'll probably end up selling it on forums, it's yours for $35 if you can wait ~two weeks...

 

[Derektm]

I was looking at the Plasma.. I know it has on-the-fly sensitivity, but you have to hold a button down and move the wheel. With the mx518 you can just push one button go to from 1600dpi to 800 dpi... Seems easier eh?

 

[fleshconsumed]

It might be easier, but Razer allows sensitivity changes over much wider range. Currently you can change sensitivity from 0 to 10 with 0.5 step increase meaning you have 20 levels of sensitivity whereas logitech has only three - 1600/800/400. I don't have 518, but I can say that on my DB the difference between 0/5/10 settings is too great to be anything uselfull. You NEED intermideate settings which logitech fails to provide.