UPDATED - Senate Finance Committee health reform bill was filed today 10/19

PJABBER

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Just saw the size of this monstrosity. At 1,502 pages I wonder how many people will actually read the latest Senate Finance Committee document remaking of the American health insurance industry and affecting every American's wallet and well being.

I am sure this bill will have all kinds of sweetening for special interest groups, it will exempt favorite voter blocks and it will be beyond confusing in how it actually delivers a "better" approach to medical care than the private sector. The law of inintended consequences is about to be applied again, big time.

I have not read the bill as it is not yet posted on the usual sources, not sure I have enough time this month. But I will venture a guess that I am not going to be happy with either the provisions or the cost. The only thing I am sure of is that the partisan Democrats will support it without reading it either.

S. 1796 weighs in at 1,502 pages

UPDATED:

Read the entire 1,502 page Finance bill. S. 1796 in all of its glory

Read a document outlining the concerns of Sens. Kerry, Schumer, Menendez, Stabenow and Rockefeller that the tax on high-end plans will hit plans that are not overly generous. (Read where favorite voting blocks will get a break!)

Read Sen. Rockefeller's expanded views on reform. (Rockefella is quite the fella!)

UPDATE 2: The Senate Finance Committee filed its sweeping health care reform bill Monday and its release served largely to highlight the divisions among Democrats over the direction of reform.

The massive, 1,500 page bill is expected to serve as the backbone for Democratic reform efforts going forward and five senators expressed concerns about one of its main provisions, a 40 percent tax on high-end insurance plans.

The tax is designed to pay for reform and lower costs by making the so-called Cadillac plans less attractive for insurers to offer. Under the bill, a plan that costs an individual more than $8,000 and a family more than $21,000 annually would be subject to the tax.

But Democratic Sens. John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, Robert Menendez, Debbie Stabenow and Jay Rockefeller are concerned that the threshold that defines a Cadillac plan is too low and will whack middle-class people.

?We remain concerned that the thresholds are too low and will impact plans that are not overly generous and that in 2019 far too many plans will be impacted by the excise tax. We plan to continue to work with Chairman Baucus on this issue to ensure that provision bends the cost curve, but not at the expense of middle-income Americans,? the senators wrote in a one-page ?additional views? document that was released with the bill.

The document is reminiscent of a dissent that is filed with the majority opinion in a court case.

Rockefeller filed his own 13-page additional views document that spelled out his concerns, many of which he aired during the eight-day mark up of the bill. The West Virginia Democrat remains concerns that the bill does not contain a public option; that it does not uniformly apply insurance market reforms and that state-based exchanges designed to help people buy insurance will not be as effective as a single national one.

UPDATE 3: It's important to remember that the bill won't exist in this form for long. Senate Majority Leader Reid and Sens. Max Baucus and Chris Dodd along with senior White House aides are merging the Finance and Health Committee legislation into one bill that will be considered on the floor of the Senate. The behind-closed-doors dealings have drawn criticism from Republicans, particularly because President Obama had promised a transparent process and pledged to negotiate the health care bill on C-SPAN.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: boomerang
Are they going to read the bill? Of course not. Proof below.

Read the bill.

god i hope that was taken way out of context.

no, i can't expect every congresscritter to read every page of every bill they pass, but i should hope that they each have staffs that aren't total yesmen reviewing things for them.
 

boomerang

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: boomerang
Are they going to read the bill? Of course not. Proof below.

Read the bill.

god i hope that was taken way out of context.

no, i can't expect every congresscritter to read every page of every bill they pass, but i should hope that they each have staffs that aren't total yesmen reviewing things for them.

Well this sure won't help.

Working hard or hardly working?

But midway through Obama?s first year in office, Hoyer?s House has settled into a more leisurely routine. Members usually arrive for the first vote of the week as the sun sets on Tuesdays, and they?re usually headed back home before it goes down again on Thursdays
 

SammyJr

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Cliffs?

1 trillion dollars in insurance company welfare
mandate with fines for not buying for-profit insurance
increased premiums
no tort reform
no public option
 

boomerang

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Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: alchemize
Cliffs?

1 trillion dollars in insurance company welfare
mandate with fines for not buying for-profit insurance
increased premiums
no tort reform
no public option
Amazing what they can come up with when they put their minds to it, isn't it?
 

SammyJr

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Originally posted by: boomerang
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: alchemize
Cliffs?

1 trillion dollars in insurance company welfare
mandate with fines for not buying for-profit insurance
increased premiums
no tort reform
no public option
Amazing what they can come up with when they put their minds to it, isn't it?

I haven't read the bill, but I'm predicting, knowing how much of a whore that Baucus is, how much of a loser Reid is, and how Obama has pretty much washed his hands of the process.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: PJABBER

But I will venture a guess that I am not going to be happy with either the provisions or the cost.

I certainly hope so. The more unhappy it makes you, the better it probably will be for real human beings. :cool:
 

sciwizam

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Does it cover all the uninsured or will it cover only 54% like the one Baucus last proposed?

EDIT: What's with all the closed door meetings, weren't we supposed to watch it all on CSPAN's 1080p HD stream?
 

SammyJr

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Originally posted by: sciwizam
Does it cover all the uninsured or will it cover only 54% like the one Baucus last proposed?

EDIT: What's with all the closed door meetings, weren't we supposed to watch it all on CSPAN's 1080p HD stream?

It costs extra to videotape a whore. Maybe it should be on adult pay-per-view.
 

Ozoned

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This version has been submitted tot he CBO to study its effect on Health Insurance premiums. Don't expect the final merged version to be scored or scrutinized.
 

b0mbrman

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As an example, here's what lawmakers read when considering HR 100:

Commonsense Auto Recovery Act of 2009 - Amends the Internal Revenue Code to allow individuals and small employers a tax credit for state and local sales taxes paid on the purchase of a passenger motor vehicle (not more than two axles) the purchase price of which does not exceed $50,000. Terminates such credit after 2010.

Pretty simple, right? It takes six pages to say that in lawyer talk.

So what will lawmakers read when considering the SFC health bill? You've already seen it: Text of the America's Healthy Future Act as Amended
 

OrByte

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condemn a bill because it is long.

assume the bill does nothing you want to do, evne though you admit to not having read it.

critical thinking rocks!!
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Just saw the size of this monstrosity. At 1,502 pages I wonder how many people will actually read the latest Senate Finance Committee document remaking of the American health insurance industry and affecting every American's wallet and well being.

I am sure this bill will have all kinds of sweetening for special interest groups, it will exempt favorite voter blocks and it will be beyond confusing in how it actually delivers a "better" approach to medical care than the private sector. The law of inintended consequences is about to be applied again, big time.

I have not read the bill as it is not yet posted on the usual sources, not sure I have enough time this month. But I will venture a guess that I am not going to be happy with either the provisions or the cost. The only thing I am sure of is that the partisan Democrats will support it without reading it either.

S. 1796 weighs in at 1,502 pages

Oh crap, you're right. I just read it and found it filled with hidden bombs:

On page 218: Names Nancy Pelosi "Queen Bitch of the World with the license to kill"

On page 504: Renames Yosemite "Castro Park" and Yellowstone "Chavez Park"

On page 1136: calls for sneaking brainwashing fluoride into all water supplies

On page 601: Eliminates the 2012 election, naming Gorbachev the Chairman of the US.

Get the word out quick before all the good Americans are eaten by the commies!
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: boomerang
Are they going to read the bill? Of course not. Proof below.

Read the bill.

god i hope that was taken way out of context.

no, i can't expect every congresscritter to read every page of every bill they pass, but i should hope that they each have staffs that aren't total yesmen reviewing things for them.
He's married to Monica Conyers. That simply is not allowed by the rules of the universe unless you're an epic fvcktard, so maybe it wasn't taken out of context.


 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: alchemize
Cliffs?

The cliffs is still 500 pages.

You get to pay more if you are a smoker (up to 150%), or old (up to 400%) and those cliffs are just where my dart landed. :p
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
So where do I get my free healthcare?

I would say you are being intellectually dishonest but there's nothing really intellectual about anything you post here.