(Updated) Plextor PX-712A "12x" DVD±R/RW Drive "$164.99" or Artec 12x/8x "$82.00" & Optorite 12x/8x "$89.00" shipped

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ChunkyBarf

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Great find. To all you early adopters: have fun. I am personally waiting for the Dual-Layer drives to come out (size is better than speed for my applications), but it is nice to see some competition in the DVD recorder market again.

Thanks again,
ChunkyBarf
 

MysticMan1

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Originally posted by: weepul
plextor is finally coming back ontop again. it took them awhile to get on the dvd bandwagon.

12x drives still arent worth purchasing yet since the media counterpart is probably only has a 1 or 2 manufacturers and is probably very very expensive.

//krunk (^_^x)
Huh! Plextor has been in the forefront of DVD drive MFG'ers and was the first MFG to sale a 8x DVD±R/RW Drive last Aug.
Also Plextor is saying that the PX-712A will burn some brands of 8x media at 12x speed just like you can burn 4x media at 8x speed.
 

MIDIman

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Originally posted by: Ian@CDRlabs
Originally posted by: MysticMan1Also Plextor is saying that the PX-712A will burn some brands of 8x media at 12x speed just like you can burn 4x media at 8x speed.

Yep, according to this preview @ PC Hotline! it can write to some Maxell, Ricoh and Taiyo Yuden media at 12x:

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2004/0420/hotrev243.htm

Shocking! These speed increases are great, but I don't think we've even gotten comfortable with 8x drives, and definitely not settled with 8x media.

Honestly, I think even 4x ain't so bad in terms of burn time, so I think I'm also going to wait for the dual-layer groupies. I'll be curious to see how well DVD set-top players will read them.
 

MysticMan1

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Originally posted by: ChunkyBarf
Great find. To all you early adopters: have fun. I am personally waiting for the Dual-Layer drives to come out (size is better than speed for my applications), but it is nice to see some competition in the DVD recorder market again.

Thanks again,
ChunkyBarf
You will have to pay a lot for that size, Dual-Layer media is expected to cost $5 to $6 per disc.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: WebDude
I like the convenience of SATA, but I wonder how many existing SATA controllers support optical drives, or anything other than hd's, at this point in time. Many do not. (The onboard SI controller on some Abit boards does, but that's the only one I know of for sure.)

Why would they not support optical drives? SATA is SATA. It's a standard and should accept anything that uses the SATA standard. Are you sure about this?
 

Ian@CDRlabs

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Just an FYI for those preordering Plextor's new drive. It doesn't look like these things are going to ship in April, let alone on the 28th. Most places have pushed back the arrival date to the first week of May. I've asked Plextor about the ship date and their only comment was that they will be available at Best Buy on May 11th.
 

Ian@CDRlabs

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Originally posted by: zodder
I hope Dell somehow put the squeeze on Plextor to get them sooner. :)

You and about a million other people. Hopefully they can fill all their preorders right away.
 

Banz

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This doesn't sound like a good deal at all to me. Plextor has a 16x model coming out right around the corner, and this 712 model doesn't even have dual layer burning. Very pricey for something that's just a "little" faster than the current batch of 8x writers you can get for less than half this unit.
 

Ian@CDRlabs

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Originally posted by: Banz
This doesn't sound like a good deal at all to me. Plextor has a 16x model coming out right around the corner, and this 712 model doesn't even have dual layer burning.

Unless you know something I don't, Plextor hasn't announced a 16x model (yet). However, 16x writers from other companies are expected to ship some time this summer.
 

fleshconsumed

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Banz
Very pricey for something that's just a "little" faster than the current batch of 8x writers you can get for less than half this unit.
You're wrong about it. The new 712 model is not just faster, it's the first "mature" DVD model from plextor that supports ALL plextor features up to date, namely gigarec for burning CDRs, C1/C2 and very much missed PO/PI tests. And don't forget that this is THE FIRST P-CAV DVD burner out there! For twice the price this drive has twice the features and should have traditional plextor writing quality (just read the 708 review at cdrinfo.com)...

As for the 16x drives they won't be out till the end of the summer and don't forget that it's almost impossible to find 8x media, not to mention 16x you hope for. And Dual Layer? Thanks, but first, the expected price on those dual-dvdrs does not justify the convenience and 4.4Gb per disc is more than enough for now, second I guarantee there will be availability problems for dual-layered DVDRs and third, I would rather see first just how reliable those dual-layer discs will be - maybe they'll start rotting out in 6 months after burn.


BTW nice price on the 712 recorder at best buy, I almost pre-ordered, but remembered that I'll have to pay tax at BB so I decided to wait couple of weeks, see if I can get a better price...
 

Ian@CDRlabs

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Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Thanks, but first, the expected price on those dual-dvdrs does not justify the convenience and 4.4Gb per disc is more than enough for now, second I guarantee there will be availability problems for dual-layered DVDRs and third, I would rather see first just how reliable those dual-layer discs will be - maybe they'll start rotting out in 6 months after burn.

Here's a few double layer DVD+R scans:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=16124

Scroll down a bit for a picture of the media.

As far as the PX-712A being the first P-CAV burner.. its not. The OptoRite DD0401 and some of its clones (Sony DRU-530A, etc) use P-CAV when writing to 8x DVD+R media. You need the latest firmware of course.
 

fleshconsumed

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Hey Ian :)

Didn't know that current 8x Sanyo chipsets supported P-CAV burning with a simple firmware flash, that's actually pretty surprising. And thanks for the dual-layer media scans, although these scans only reaffirm my opinion that dual-layer is still long way from being ready to move into masses, too many PI/PO errors especially on the second layer. If the error rate on the second layer remain the same then I would rather stick to conventional single layer and wait till blue ray.
 

arswihart

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is p-cav something to be desired in a dvd burner, if you're comparing a 12x p-cav to a 12x burner that used cav or clv? Less errors? noise? Thanks
 

Childs

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Whats the burn time on this drive? Approx 6 mins? Problem is the media. 8X drives are under $100, but find 8X media in stores in next to impossible, so you have to hope that your 4x media will burn at 8x. Mine only gets 6x (NEC 2500A and NuTech) on TDK and Fuji (both made in Japan), so I doubt you'll be able to burn anywhere near the 12x advertised.
 

Startide Rising

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For perspective on pricing, the EXTERNAL liteon 4x writer at Sam's Club is $128 and the EXTERNAL Pacific Digital 8X writer at Sam's Club is $159. Both are USB 2.0. The liteon was a limited time deal (when they run out, that is it).