(Updated) Plextor PX-712A "12x" DVD±R/RW Drive "$164.99" or Artec 12x/8x "$82.00" & Optorite 12x/8x "$89.00" shipped

[MysticMan1]

Plextor PX-712SA 12x/8x DVD±R/RW Drive featuring a Serial ATA interface. Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price $229.00 LINK

ecost.com has it for $211.02 + $6.95 handling fee LINK

Curreht low price on Pricewatch.com is $223.00 retail shipped LINK (search key word "PX-712SA")
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Plextor PX-712A 12x/8x DVD±R/RW Drive
Plextor.com LINK

Buy.com has it for $174.99 shipped , use the $10 off $150 Buy.com new customer coupon (exp 7-31) that's floating around = $164.99 + free shipping, retail box LINK to buy.com

For coupons search Google.com, key word "buy.com coupons".

Curreht low price on Pricewatch.com is $163.00 retail and $162.00 OEM shipped LINK (search key word "PX-712A")

Here's a review of the Plextor PX-712A drive LInk to review
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Artec VOM-12E48X 12x/8x DVD±R/RW Drive (rebaged ???)

Curreht low price on Pricewatch.com is $82.00 retail shipped LINK (search key word "ARTEC INTERNAL 12x DVD+/-RW")

Artecusa.com LINK
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Optorite DD1203 12X/8x DVD±R/RW Drive

Curreht low price on Pricewatch.com is $89.00 retail shipped LINK (search key word "Optorite DD1203")

Optorite.com LINK

 

[hytek369]

i am personally waiting for the SATA version

 

[amdskip]

Not a hot price but a very nice drive. How fast will dvds max out at, 16x?

 

[codeyf]

I can see it now.....

"Cheap +R 1x/2x/etc media - $x for x discs. Some people getting ritek/ty/fuji/whatever brand discs and burning at 2x/4x/8x/12x"

 

[spikemike]

I remember reading that at 16x the RPM is quite high Philips said the discs could literally be in danger of shattering from the force, so they predicted 16x would be it. Of course everyone kept saying moore's law would be dead too but its still going strong. We'll just have to wait and see i guess.

 

[Granamere]

Originally posted by: hytek369
i am personally waiting for the SATA version

I am likeing the normal IDE versions. That way I can have 2 SATA hard drives and two optical drives and nothing be on the same chain. Now if I get 4+ SATA connections that are not RAID on my motherboard this point goes away. Although I do not know if even a 16X DVD can max out an IDE chain.

Thanks for the link on the 12X Plextor.

Granamere

 

[daweeze02]

Originally posted by: Granamere

Originally posted by: hytek369
i am personally waiting for the SATA version

I am likeing the normal IDE versions. That way I can have 2 SATA hard drives and two optical drives and nothing be on the same chain. Now if I get 4+ SATA connections that are not RAID on my motherboard this point goes away. Although I do not know if even a 16X DVD can max out an IDE chain.

Thanks for the link on the 12X Plextor.

Granamere

my abit ic7-g has for 4 sata connections onboard and i use them as non raid, so i dont know what you mean, you probably just have to make a change in your bios like i did.

 

[frankgomez75]

my ic7max3 has 6 satas, i'm using four sata HD's and still have 2 Sata channels open on the SiliconImage, also have 2 opticals running on their own IDE channels. I love this mobo, up to 6 Sata HD's plus 4 additional drives on the IDE for a total of 10 DRIVES on the mobo

 

[UltraWide]

is the SATA controller really on a different channel than the regular IDE?
I have a Dell 400SC with i875P, i thought it was either PATA master/slave or SATA master/slave but not both at the same time?

 

[Granamere]

I have the ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe. It has 2 SATA and 2 SATA that are in a raid configuration. I do not think you can break the RAID group on this board but I have been wrong before and very easily can be now. 6 SATA now that is nice. I have no clue as to how I could use them all but it would still be nice to have. I guess it will not be that long before we do start seeing SATA optical drives. I wonder if BTX motherboards will even have IDE on them?

Granamere

 

[Granamere]

Originally posted by: UltraWide
is the SATA controller really on a different channel than the regular IDE?
I have a Dell 400SC with i875P, i thought it was either PATA master/slave or SATA master/slave but not both at the same time?

Not sure on your Dell but the way I understand it is that each one is seperate and you should be able to use both at the same time. On my system I have a SATA hard drive and a IDE optical which work together fine. Also since the IO for each is different I would doubt the same chip controlled them in your system. Also each SATA chain is it own channel from my understanding.

Granamere

 

[XZeroII]

I had read at dvdrhelp that this drive might support a firmware upgrade in the future to allow for dual layer burning. It's just rumor though.

 

[MysticMan1]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
I had read at dvdrhelp that this drive might support a firmware upgrade in the future to allow for dual layer burning. It's just rumor though.

You will be hearing that firmware upgrade rumor about almost every DVD burner on the market but Philips, who created the dual layer format, says NO!!!

Quote: According to Philips it will not be possible to upgrade existing 8x DVD recorders to DL layer recorders, contrary to what some rumours are saying. In theory the laser power of an 8x drive is strong enough to handle DL but the problem is, is that the OPU (Optical Pickup Unit) of the drive is often not good enough. This will lead to quality problems. However, some drives with good OPUs could, in theory, be upgraded although they?d have to be handpicked.

 

[virtuamike]

Originally posted by: Granamere
I have the ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe. It has 2 SATA and 2 SATA that are in a raid configuration. I do not think you can break the RAID group on this board but I have been wrong before and very easily can be now. 6 SATA now that is nice. I have no clue as to how I could use them all but it would still be nice to have. I guess it will not be that long before we do start seeing SATA optical drives. I wonder if BTX motherboards will even have IDE on them?

Granamere

Yes you can break the RAID. But you'll prob need an OS reinstall if the RAID contains system/boot partition.

 

[rockin1]

Plextor 12x DVD recording now ... next 16x;20x;24x;32x;36x;40x;48x;52x
Next dual side recording,which will start at 2x,then 4x;8x;16x...
Somehow I feel the industry is playing us, if you remember CD recording started this way too!
I warned a couple friends of this, because of getting burned with a 2x cd burner;12x and finally 48x.
History does repeat itself === just my 2 cents worth

 

[Baaka]

? are there any dvd 's that can burn this fast? i thought it couldnt go faster than 4x???

 

[Devistater]

Originally posted by: spikemike
I remember reading that at 16x the RPM is quite high Philips said the discs could literally be in danger of shattering from the force, so they predicted 16x would be it. Of course everyone kept saying moore's law would be dead too but its still going strong. We'll just have to wait and see i guess.

Very likely you are correct. Moore's law is differant, they keep finding ways around it since they are free to redesign entire chip and interface etc. Reading/writing cd/dvd isn't the same. You can't redesign media in general, because it must be compatible (sure you can do more advanced media, but the drives still have to read older media).
Example: CD reader/writer drives have been STUCK on 52x for what, 2 or 3 years now? And in its prime it went from 32x to 52x in what, a year?
Thats because the media EXPLODES if you go too much higher (around 60-64x speeds).

The only exception I've seen is the old kenwood 72x readers. BUT that used a lens assembly to split beam into like 7 differant parts, so it reads 7 differant sectors at once while only spinning at like 10x (my numbers may be off but I think I have essentials correct). However, its not practical to do this with writers since it makes the laser beam 7 times weaker on each part. So you'd need a pretty powerful beam to burn.

What is going to most likely happen is that as the dvds hold more, it will get "faster" per meg to burn them. 1x CD speed is 150k/sec wheras 1x dvd speed is around 1.376mb/sec. Who knows what blu-ray burners will do.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Devistater

Originally posted by: spikemike
I remember reading that at 16x the RPM is quite high Philips said the discs could literally be in danger of shattering from the force, so they predicted 16x would be it. Of course everyone kept saying moore's law would be dead too but its still going strong. We'll just have to wait and see i guess.

Very likely you are correct. Moore's law is differant, they keep finding ways around it since they are free to redesign entire chip and interface etc. Reading/writing cd/dvd isn't the same. You can't redesign media in general, because it must be compatible (sure you can do more advanced media, but the drives still have to read older media).
Example: CD reader/writer drives have been STUCK on 52x for what, 2 or 3 years now? And in its prime it went from 32x to 52x in what, a year?
Thats because the media EXPLODES if you go too much higher (around 60-64x speeds).

The only exception I've seen is the old kenwood 72x readers. BUT that used a lens assembly to split beam into like 7 differant parts, so it reads 7 differant sectors at once while only spinning at like 10x (my numbers may be off but I think I have essentials correct). However, its not practical to do this with writers since it makes the laser beam 7 times weaker on each part. So you'd need a pretty powerful beam to burn.

What is going to most likely happen is that as the dvds hold more, it will get "faster" per meg to burn them. 1x CD speed is 150k/sec wheras 1x dvd speed is around 1.376mb/sec. Who knows what blu-ray burners will do.

That's called aureal density, just fyi.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: MysticMan1

Originally posted by: XZeroII
I had read at dvdrhelp that this drive might support a firmware upgrade in the future to allow for dual layer burning. It's just rumor though.

You will be hearing that firmware upgrade rumor about almost every DVD burner on the market but Philips, who created the dual layer format, says NO!!!

Quote: According to Philips it will not be possible to upgrade existing 8x DVD recorders to DL layer recorders, contrary to what some rumours are saying. In theory the laser power of an 8x drive is strong enough to handle DL but the problem is, is that the OPU (Optical Pickup Unit) of the drive is often not good enough. This will lead to quality problems. However, some drives with good OPUs could, in theory, be upgraded although they?d have to be handpicked.

Your sig is funny after reading your post

However, I do agree that it is said about most new burners.

 

[WebDude]

I like the convenience of SATA, but I wonder how many existing SATA controllers support optical drives, or anything other than hd's, at this point in time. Many do not. (The onboard SI controller on some Abit boards does, but that's the only one I know of for sure.)

 

[zodder]

I ordered one of these from Dell 2 days ago. Can't wait to check it out.

 

[hytek369]

Originally posted by: Granamere

Originally posted by: hytek369
i am personally waiting for the SATA version

I am likeing the normal IDE versions. That way I can have 2 SATA hard drives and two optical drives and nothing be on the same chain. Now if I get 4+ SATA connections that are not RAID on my motherboard this point goes away. Although I do not know if even a 16X DVD can max out an IDE chain.

Thanks for the link on the 12X Plextor.

Granamere

ideally, i would go with scsi, but that is not possible.

 

[weepul]

plextor is finally coming back ontop again. it took them awhile to get on the dvd bandwagon.

12x drives still arent worth purchasing yet since the media counterpart is probably only has a 1 or 2 manufacturers and is probably very very expensive.

//krunk (^_^x)

 

[MysticMan1]

Originally posted by: rockin1
Plextor 12x DVD recording now ... next 16x;20x;24x;32x;36x;40x;48x;52x
Next dual side recording,which will start at 2x,then 4x;8x;16x...
Somehow I feel the industry is playing us, if you remember CD recording started this way too!
I warned a couple friends of this, because of getting burned with a 2x cd burner;12x and finally 48x.
History does repeat itself   === just my 2 cents worth  

Incorrent, 16x will be the top speed for DVD burners and 4x will be the top speed for DVD Dual layer burners.

 

[Conscript]

Originally posted by: zodder
I ordered one of these from Dell 2 days ago. Can't wait to check it out.

they have SATA drives already? or you just talking about the 12x ide drive?