Actually the SE is $13 cheaper so not quite $0, but it is a good point; I'm still debating it anyway (as I said, still got over a week). Let's see how the price points look when I go to the computer fair in December. There may or not even be 9600SE cards there, so I'll prolly end up with a 9600 anyway. Yes, I am on a tight budget for this one...already spent $$$$'s on Alpha-Two (my power rig). A big reason for me even doing all this is to build a machine I can have on all day instead of Alpha-Two, to save on energy, and for dead silence. I'll move my sound system (including the Audgy 2 ZS Plat. Pro) over to the quiet box. I leave a machine on 2/47 for e-mail and IM, and having Alpha-Two do such a menial task is severe overkill. With the new box taking care of that, I can have Alpha-Two turned on for serious work or play (do tons of desktop publishing work, and play mostly Star Wars Galaxies among other things right now). It's difficult for me to get the absolute best listening experience out of my sound system with Alpha-Two on, even though the majority of everyone else tells me it's very quiet (some already can't hear it), it's not quiet enough for me, and it's definitely not dead silent.
-Ed
PS Yeah I'm thinking if the TruePower380 isn't quiet enough, then I'll order that Fortron. I don't foresee them going extinct or anything hehe.
-Ed
PS Yeah I'm thinking if the TruePower380 isn't quiet enough, then I'll order that Fortron. I don't foresee them going extinct or anything hehe.
Originally posted by: Nebor
Abit IA7?Was that a 533mhz mobo? You should probably get an 800mhz bus to match your CPU. The... Ah. Ahah. Just as I go to recommend the Abit IS7, it hits me, the 'a' lies rather close to the 's', doesn't it? Well, I've lost all credibility now... I'm screwed.... Unless somehow I could stop this post from reaching teh int4rw3b...
Good grief no, look here!
Following up...
I have built the new rig! My dad gave me the machine I built for him (he never uses it) along with its LCD, a Samsung SyncMaster 151P, which is far quieter than my ViewSonic P95f+.
So it's an InWin IW-V523G microATX tower whose original PSU I had replaced with an Antec True380. I am now using this case with a Fortron FSP300-60PN PSU, whose 120mm fan is not audible outside of about 3' within range of it (for my ears, in my room). The motherboard and CPU are Asus P4B533-VM (passively cooled, 845G) and a P4 2.0A (I sold the 2.6C since it would require better i.e. noisier cooling) along with a 512MB stick of Crucial PC2100.
I spent an hour performing an ABSOLUTELY PERFECT application of Arctic Silver V between the cleaned off CPU die (used rubbing alcohol to clean off the crap left over from the Intel OEM HSF that my dad had) and the Thermalright SP-94 I bought; the layer is partially translucent (just barely) and is precisely enough to do the job, no more, no less. I'm running the P4 PASSIVELY COOLED with this sink; it's doing stock voltage of 1.525volts, and idles as low as 30C and hits a peak temp of 48C on long duration load. THERE IS NO FAN MOUNTED TO THE SP-94! However I closed up all openings to the system and the case has a side intake duct that runs directly onto the HS of the CPU, so the intake pressure to equalize exhaust pressure is taken cure of exlusively by cold intake air from this duct, thus, how I pulled off the passive cooling and those temps.
I installed a Visiontek Radeon 9600 card (passively cooled) to replace his Radeon VE and I am using the stock 80mm exhaust fan that came with this case but through a Zalman Fanmate at minimum setting; it's virtually inaudible, but if it's 3am and nobody's driving by my home and nothing is turned on (LCD must be off for this) U can still hear it. If my LCD display is on, that's all I hear (probably because it's 2' in front of my face, whereas the computer is 4' away from my ears, and under the desk). I moved my Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro from my power rig to this box and now have this hooked up to my audio system (Onkyo TX-SR501, Audio Parts Inc silver cabling all around, Spendor LS3/5a monitors and a Velodyne CHT-8 woofer). I'm in audio bliss!!!
The hard drive is a Seagate ST340014A mounted in a Zalman heatpipe cooler with rubber isolation; it is not audible over the two fans (exhaust and PSU).
THANK YOU, EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELP!
-Ed
I have built the new rig! My dad gave me the machine I built for him (he never uses it) along with its LCD, a Samsung SyncMaster 151P, which is far quieter than my ViewSonic P95f+.
So it's an InWin IW-V523G microATX tower whose original PSU I had replaced with an Antec True380. I am now using this case with a Fortron FSP300-60PN PSU, whose 120mm fan is not audible outside of about 3' within range of it (for my ears, in my room). The motherboard and CPU are Asus P4B533-VM (passively cooled, 845G) and a P4 2.0A (I sold the 2.6C since it would require better i.e. noisier cooling) along with a 512MB stick of Crucial PC2100.
I spent an hour performing an ABSOLUTELY PERFECT application of Arctic Silver V between the cleaned off CPU die (used rubbing alcohol to clean off the crap left over from the Intel OEM HSF that my dad had) and the Thermalright SP-94 I bought; the layer is partially translucent (just barely) and is precisely enough to do the job, no more, no less. I'm running the P4 PASSIVELY COOLED with this sink; it's doing stock voltage of 1.525volts, and idles as low as 30C and hits a peak temp of 48C on long duration load. THERE IS NO FAN MOUNTED TO THE SP-94! However I closed up all openings to the system and the case has a side intake duct that runs directly onto the HS of the CPU, so the intake pressure to equalize exhaust pressure is taken cure of exlusively by cold intake air from this duct, thus, how I pulled off the passive cooling and those temps.
I installed a Visiontek Radeon 9600 card (passively cooled) to replace his Radeon VE and I am using the stock 80mm exhaust fan that came with this case but through a Zalman Fanmate at minimum setting; it's virtually inaudible, but if it's 3am and nobody's driving by my home and nothing is turned on (LCD must be off for this) U can still hear it. If my LCD display is on, that's all I hear (probably because it's 2' in front of my face, whereas the computer is 4' away from my ears, and under the desk). I moved my Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro from my power rig to this box and now have this hooked up to my audio system (Onkyo TX-SR501, Audio Parts Inc silver cabling all around, Spendor LS3/5a monitors and a Velodyne CHT-8 woofer). I'm in audio bliss!!!
The hard drive is a Seagate ST340014A mounted in a Zalman heatpipe cooler with rubber isolation; it is not audible over the two fans (exhaust and PSU).
THANK YOU, EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR HELP!
-Ed
Believe it or not, it's so quiet now (this rig is, basically speaking, noiseless) that I can hear a very very faint hum from my LCD. If I move my ear right up almost against the LCD, it becomes a clear but very low volume buzz. Obviously, being that the LCD is an electronic device that must put out lots of light at a high frequency (i.e. refresh rate) it's making a buzz. If anyone here has an LCD, try putting your ear right up to it to listen for it. Either way, it's MUCH quieter than any CRT (TV or monitor) that I've heard.
-Ed
-Ed
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Originally posted by: EddNog
PICs are up!!!
Clicky!!!
-Ed
PS I know the optical drive is off-color. It's a Lite-On 24X burner that's gonna' go as soon as my new Samsung 16X DVD-ROM shows up, and hopefully Samsung's idea of black is, well, blacker.
Nice job!
You should go post these pics and your write up in the Gallery forum over at SilentPCReview, I think they'll like it.
I put my computer in a cabinet once & when the cabinet door was closed, it quieted right down.
The back of the cabinet could be open on the top & bottom for wires & air flow.
You could line it with carpet or acoustic ceiling tile on the walls.
Make sure it's big enough to slide the computer back in far enough so if the cabinet door is closed
and the CD tray is ejected/opened, it doesn't bump the cabinet door.
The back of the cabinet could be open on the top & bottom for wires & air flow.
You could line it with carpet or acoustic ceiling tile on the walls.
Make sure it's big enough to slide the computer back in far enough so if the cabinet door is closed
and the CD tray is ejected/opened, it doesn't bump the cabinet door.
Hey, Mr. Fart! I received an e-mail regarding the duct and am not sure if it was you or not, so I'll put down a copy of my e-mail reply here for you to find it. It is as follows:
The side intake duct on this case actually comes as part of the design! This is an InWin design and U'll find that many of their latest releases have this duct integrated into the side panel; it's actually optional Intel-specified. Go to this page at Newegg.com:
Clicky!!!
And then use the search filter on the left and use these settings:
Manufacturer: InWin
Price 34.00 to 100.00
You will find that most of the InWin cases $35 and up have the duct! I hope this is helpful; I have used many InWin cases in the past and while they're not flashy, they are very well built and of very good quality. You won't find any sharp edges, and the cases are very very resistant to twisting and bending. Cooling options on InWin's cases are merely decent if you don't count the duct (Thermaltake's modified Chieftec cases, and Cooler Master or Lian-Li cases, for example, offer better cooling, but don't have the Intel-spec duct).
-Ed
The side intake duct on this case actually comes as part of the design! This is an InWin design and U'll find that many of their latest releases have this duct integrated into the side panel; it's actually optional Intel-specified. Go to this page at Newegg.com:
Clicky!!!
And then use the search filter on the left and use these settings:
Manufacturer: InWin
Price 34.00 to 100.00
You will find that most of the InWin cases $35 and up have the duct! I hope this is helpful; I have used many InWin cases in the past and while they're not flashy, they are very well built and of very good quality. You won't find any sharp edges, and the cases are very very resistant to twisting and bending. Cooling options on InWin's cases are merely decent if you don't count the duct (Thermaltake's modified Chieftec cases, and Cooler Master or Lian-Li cases, for example, offer better cooling, but don't have the Intel-spec duct).
-Ed
Your other choice is to install a duct yourself with one of the ducting kits on this page:
Clicky!!!
I personally shop pretty often from Performance PCs and they get great ratings at www.resellerratings.com. The ducting kit will, of course, steal one of your intakes, but it should work at least as well, if not better (if you mount a fan on one end of the duct, or both ends!) than the little duct InWin is building into their cases. The duct spec itself has to do with the fact that Intel specifies that the CPU socket be in a very particular spot on the motherboard; this way, if a case manufacturer decides to install a duct (most often it's OEMs that do this, like Dell or Gateway), they know precisely where to aim it, and can basically assume that no matter what motherboard they choose to use, the duct will point right onto the CPU. The duct itself is not spec'd, but because the location of the CPU within the system is spec'd, ducts can easily be designed into P4-oriented PC cases with good confidence that it'll be in the right, rather than wrong, place. I know InWin is taking advantage of this, but I'm not sure who else is. Anyway, those duct kits will allow pretty much any case to have a (perhaps long and windy) duct.
I hope this has been helpful, and do let me know if you need any more advice!
-Ed
Clicky!!!
I personally shop pretty often from Performance PCs and they get great ratings at www.resellerratings.com. The ducting kit will, of course, steal one of your intakes, but it should work at least as well, if not better (if you mount a fan on one end of the duct, or both ends!) than the little duct InWin is building into their cases. The duct spec itself has to do with the fact that Intel specifies that the CPU socket be in a very particular spot on the motherboard; this way, if a case manufacturer decides to install a duct (most often it's OEMs that do this, like Dell or Gateway), they know precisely where to aim it, and can basically assume that no matter what motherboard they choose to use, the duct will point right onto the CPU. The duct itself is not spec'd, but because the location of the CPU within the system is spec'd, ducts can easily be designed into P4-oriented PC cases with good confidence that it'll be in the right, rather than wrong, place. I know InWin is taking advantage of this, but I'm not sure who else is. Anyway, those duct kits will allow pretty much any case to have a (perhaps long and windy) duct.
I hope this has been helpful, and do let me know if you need any more advice!
-Ed
My personal web space got busted due to all the traffic! I am now hosting my site at a different place, with a newly registered domain name. It should be up by tomorrow. Please click here to see it.
-Ed
-Ed
wow ed you have a wonderful outlook to life. look at all that you have accomplished.
on a side note. currently i am 15 yrs old and im planning to build a pc from scratch. at what age did you build your first pc?
on a side note. currently i am 15 yrs old and im planning to build a pc from scratch. at what age did you build your first pc?
It's sort of difficult for me to remember precisely when I built my first rig from the ground up, actually. I started, honestly, with upgrading and modifying the systems my dad bought me. From what I recall, the first upgrade I performed myself was on my first computer. At the time, my mother was working in Filene's Basement on Central Avenue in Scarsdale, and in the same strip mall was a stored called Egghead. They sold primarily software, but they also had the original Creative Labs Sound Blaster for sale, featuring full Adlib and General MIDI compatibility. I just HAD to have it, since with it I could hear voices in Where In the World is Carmen Sandiego!!! Hehe so I got my parents to buy me it ($120, back then that wasn't cheap for us!) and I installed it myself. In fact, I was still living in the Bronx at that time. The installation went smoothly and I learned about real mode driver support for Windows, since I also had a game in Windows that supported the Sound Blaster; it was called Super Tetris. I could hear the bombs exploding and the MIDI music for the first time, and it was a fantastic set of Russian-style muzak pieces. Yeah that was my first upgrade.
The first whole computer I built from the ground up actually happened to be for a friend and not myself. The ATX standard was already out, and so was Synch DRAM (SDRAM). I believe I built him a system built around a cheap flimsy full tower case that came with a cheapo power supply, not knowing back then of course how important a good PSU is. It had an ABIT motherboard of some sort, maybe a BM6? On it also was a Celeron and something like 64MB of PC66 SDRAM. The thing had a huge 4GB Seagate hard drive and a Matrox Millennium II graphics card. Yeah, those were my pioneering days of system building. How funny it is to look back now. Things sure have come a long way, and perhaps I too.
-Ed
The first whole computer I built from the ground up actually happened to be for a friend and not myself. The ATX standard was already out, and so was Synch DRAM (SDRAM). I believe I built him a system built around a cheap flimsy full tower case that came with a cheapo power supply, not knowing back then of course how important a good PSU is. It had an ABIT motherboard of some sort, maybe a BM6? On it also was a Celeron and something like 64MB of PC66 SDRAM. The thing had a huge 4GB Seagate hard drive and a Matrox Millennium II graphics card. Yeah, those were my pioneering days of system building. How funny it is to look back now. Things sure have come a long way, and perhaps I too.
-Ed
I don't know if this is an option, because it seems like a terrible waste of a P4 2.6C to me...but how about sound dampening foam for the case?
Actually I posted somewhere in this thread that the 2.6C I sold, and built this machine off what my dad was using, which is a P4 2.0A. I'm considering the foam to see how much closer to absolutely dead silent I can really get (can still hear the machine if I place my head somewhere within 3 feet of the machine). I also noticed if I put my ear up against the front of the system I can actually hear the hard drive spinning faintly; I am thinking of somehow enclosing the drive in foam, but I'm afraid of overheating the drive. Somebody recommended the Samsung Spinpoint drives; are they actually quieter than the Seagate S340014A?!?
Oh yeah are the Samsung drives low temp./durable enough to survive in a totally foam enclosed environment? If they can operate foam enclosed and operate more quietly than the Seagate, I'd love to try one out. Also am looking for a good solution to make my PSU fan even quieter; mounting it with the Antec Noise Killer helped a whole lot (well it really isn't that loud to begin with) but I'd like to also try a different 120mm fan; what is the quietest 120mm fan available, and where can I by this fan plus a Panaflow L1A?
-Ed
Oh yeah are the Samsung drives low temp./durable enough to survive in a totally foam enclosed environment? If they can operate foam enclosed and operate more quietly than the Seagate, I'd love to try one out. Also am looking for a good solution to make my PSU fan even quieter; mounting it with the Antec Noise Killer helped a whole lot (well it really isn't that loud to begin with) but I'd like to also try a different 120mm fan; what is the quietest 120mm fan available, and where can I by this fan plus a Panaflow L1A?
-Ed
As suggested by people who have read my threads on these forums, I have posted the pics at SilentPCReview.Com's gallery. If you haven't seen my rig yet at my new home page, NgTechnik.Com, which I highly recommend anyway, take a look over here.
-Ed
-Ed
I just built a super silent system for my mom. It's an AMD system (XP2100+ non oc) in a Antec SLK2600AMB case. I'm running a Thermalright SLK900A HS with a Zalman 92mm ZM-F2 fan running at 38 cfm and 20 db (according to Zalman's specs). AS Ceramique is the paste and the chip runs at 38ºC at idle and 41ºC under load.
I replaced the stock Antec power supply fan with a 80 mm PC Power and Cooling silencer rated at 28 cfm and 20 db and mounted with rubber washers (rubber washers between the fan to the power supply and the power supply to the case). For case fans I'm running one 80mm NMB 15db 19 cfm for intake and exhaust. The exhaust fan is mounted with rubber washers. For a video card, I'm running a GF4 Ti4200 with a Zalman ZM80A-HP passive heatsink.
Oh.. For a hard drive, I'm using a 80 gb Seagate.
I can only hear a faintest sound from the power supply if I walk behind the case. Actually, I don't know why this fan makes any noise in the power supply. If I use this fan as a CPU cooler or case fan, I don't get any noise from it.
BTW.. For a silent video card, have you considered the RADEON 9600 np? That's the card that's going in the XPC system that I'm going to build. With the XPC, there is no room for big ole' Zalman passive heatsinks, so I needed a passively cooled card and I think the 9600 np is a nice choice.
Sal
I replaced the stock Antec power supply fan with a 80 mm PC Power and Cooling silencer rated at 28 cfm and 20 db and mounted with rubber washers (rubber washers between the fan to the power supply and the power supply to the case). For case fans I'm running one 80mm NMB 15db 19 cfm for intake and exhaust. The exhaust fan is mounted with rubber washers. For a video card, I'm running a GF4 Ti4200 with a Zalman ZM80A-HP passive heatsink.
Oh.. For a hard drive, I'm using a 80 gb Seagate.
I can only hear a faintest sound from the power supply if I walk behind the case. Actually, I don't know why this fan makes any noise in the power supply. If I use this fan as a CPU cooler or case fan, I don't get any noise from it.
BTW.. For a silent video card, have you considered the RADEON 9600 np? That's the card that's going in the XPC system that I'm going to build. With the XPC, there is no room for big ole' Zalman passive heatsinks, so I needed a passively cooled card and I think the 9600 np is a nice choice.
Sal
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