*UPDATED* Madam gets busted in LA and the names of clients flow...

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
we know carl levin is on the list. i mean, look at him. who would sleep with him for free?

schumer, not on the list. neither is edwards. after all, they're both homosexuals (ask ann coulter)

james kkk byrd is probably on the list too, has a penchant for black mistresses. he likes to be dominated by a strong nubian woman, helps to ease his white man's guilt after all those years.

not on the list: al gore. he's a dendrifieliac (look it up and learn a new word).

You are not smart.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Normally, I get angered over these types of stories since I support individual rights and thus believe that prostitution should be legal. However, in this case, since it's those very same lawmakers who wish to deprive us of personal freedoms, I'm hoping that the list is released.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Normally, I get angered over these types of stories since I support individual rights and thus believe that prostitution should be legal. However, in this case, since it's those very same lawmakers who wish to deprive us of personal freedoms, I'm hoping that the list is released.

Agreed.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

She sent the names to ABC News! Watch 20/20 on May 4!

Link

'I Abhor Injustice,' Alleged Madam Says

By Sue Anne Pressley Montes
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, April 29, 2007; A01



"Miz Julia" doled out a steady stream of advice, both practical and philosophical.

From her California home, she e-mailed tips to the 132 women who worked across the Washington area for the firm Pamela Martin & Associates. Her newsletters, now excerpted in court records, were a virtual how-to manual for avoiding all kinds of trouble in a business said to specialize in erotic fantasies.

"One never quite knows where evil, i.e., the vice squad is lurking in this business," read one arch entry from 1995. "The misogynists get a real kick out of surprising (shocking) you girls, when you give them the opportunity!!! . . . Therefore, you are to lock, double lock, triple lock all doors!!! . . . Figure it out, before they 'get cha'!!!"

Miz Julia was the pseudonym for Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the woman at the center of a sex scandal that has caused a deputy secretary of state to resign and has lawyers calling around town trying to keep their clients' names out of public view. A one-time law student, Palfrey ran for 13 years what she insists was a legal escort service. Federal prosecutors allege she was providing $300-an-hour prostitutes, and a grand jury indicted her in February on federal racketeering charges.

Palfrey piqued fascination -- and anxiety -- by first threatening to sell phone records that could unveil thousands of clients, and then handing them over, apparently for free, to ABC News. She is scheduled to appear tomorrow in U.S. District Court in the District.

On Friday, Randall L. Tobias resigned as deputy secretary of state one day after confirming to Brian Ross of ABC that he had patronized the Pamela Martin firm. Speaking yesterday on "Good Morning America," Ross said Tobias told him Tobias's number was on Palfrey's phone records because he had called "to have gals come over to the condo to give me a massage." There had been "no sex," Ross quoted Tobias as saying, and that recently he has used another service, "with Central American gals," for massages.

Tobias, who is 65 and married, was director of U.S. Foreign Assistance and administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development. He previously held a top job in the Bush administration overseeing AIDS relief, in which he promoted abstinence and a policy requiring grant recipients to swear they oppose prostitution.

Palfrey's flamboyant attorney, Montgomery Blair Sibley, said Friday that he has been contacted by five lawyers recently, asking whether their clients' names are on Palfrey's list of 10,000 to 15,000 phone numbers. Some, Sibley said, have inquired about whether accommodations could be made to keep their identities private. ABC is expected to air a report on Palfrey and her clients on "20/20" on May 4, during sweeps.

More revelations are in the offing. Ross said the list includes the names of some "very prominent people," as well as a number of women with "important and serious jobs" who had worked as escorts for the firm.:laugh:

The disclosures have been made sparely and artfully. Two weeks ago, in court documents about calling former clients to testify on her behalf, Palfrey named Harlan K. Ullman, an academic whose main claim to fame was a scholarly paper he wrote more than a decade ago on the military strategy known as "shock and awe." Responded Ullman: "It doesn't deserve the dignity of a response."

Sibley also filed notice that he intends to depose political consultant Dick Morris in a separate civil proceeding. Morris would not comment.

Palfrey also declined to comment on either Tobias's resignation or other names that could arise.

"As the old saying goes, 'I need to dance with the guy who brung me,' " she wrote in an e-mail to a Washington Post reporter. "I have promised ABC News that the '20/20' interview will be an exclusive one. I am sure you can understand my situation."

For all the attention she is attracting, Palfrey retains an air of mystery. She has dropped intriguing hints about herself over the years but demurs when asked for an interview about her life.

"I am not a quitter," Palfrey wrote in another e-mail to The Post. "Additionally, I abhor injustice, on any level and in any forum. I frankly persist despite life's barriers. It is no more complicated than this."

She sees herself as an entrepreneur being railroaded by an all-powerful government, in a "David and Goliath scenario." Prosecutors have made much of her history: In 1992, she pleaded guilty to attempted felony pimping. She started her Washington business while on probation in California.

The little that is known about Palfrey comes from court records in California and Washington, interviews with acquaintances and a series of e-mails. Through her writing -- facile, self-assured, with triple exclamation points for emphasis -- she shows contradictions and gumption, a woman who says she lives by "the Golden Rule" and who describes herself as sophisticated, a perfectionist and "a cat person" who will not go away without a fight.

Old friends can't decipher the contrasting images.

"I thought I was a pretty good friend in high school," said Debbie Blozik, who lives in Birmingham, Ala. "But I'm thinking now how many things I really didn't know about her."

Home was Charleroi, Pa., population 5,000, which sits on a hillside overlooking the Monongahela River, south of Pittsburgh, its older homes clustered on steep streets.

The elder of two girls, Palfrey was born in 1956 to Frank Palfrey, who worked for a grocery company and died in 2002, and Blanche, a homemaker now living in Florida. The family resided for a while in Orlando but returned to Charleroi when Palfrey was 10, to a modest house with striped awnings on Shady Avenue.

Neighbors viewed "Debbie" as a bright, attractive girl. In high school, she was a majorette. She performed a modern dance solo in the senior talent show. But before graduation, she left abruptly, finishing in Florida. She said that she couldn't take the bullying anymore.

Palfrey graduated with a bachelor's degree in criminal justice from Rollins College in Winter Park, Fla., attended a year at what is now Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego and completed a nine-month paralegal course.

She got into the escort business in San Diego, she said, because she was "appalled and disgusted" by how "seedy, lazy and incompetent" other escort agencies were, she wrote in court papers. An avowed teetotaler, she said she did not like the drug-related atmosphere in the other agencies.

"I decided to branch out, so to speak, from my solo state and began working with one or two (maybe three at the most) other women," she said in her California legal pleadings.

She told Thomas Czech, a career Marine who said he dated Palfrey for about two months, that she was an interior designer. Things ended badly, and Czech took out a restraining order against her in San Diego County in 1989.

Palfrey's professional life also took a turn for the worse. Her business crashed when she was arrested in 1990; an employee's angry mother apparently tipped off police. Palfrey employed about a dozen women and would have made $100,000 that year, she said.

She said her employees were "independent agents" and allowed that she should have "done something to police/eliminate such conduct from occurring."

Palfrey was a no-show at her scheduled trial in August 1991. She was captured that October in Montana. She explained to the court that the stress from the criminal proceedings had caused her to flee. Her mother, she said, was so upset that she developed a life-threatening aneurysm and required surgery. She said her parents "just can't comprehend how my offense could be viewed so harshly." Once free, she said, she planned to go into business exporting "authentic American Western and Indian art to the United Kingdom."

Instead, after 18 months in state prison, Palfrey started Pamela Martin. The firm recruited escorts through the University of Maryland student newspaper and Washington City Paper. It advertised in the Yellow Pages and on Web sites, touting itself as "undoubtedly the best adult agency around."

Her career path apparently was lucrative, but not spectacularly so. Prosecutors say she made about $2 million running Pamela Martin over 13 years -- on average, less than $160,000 a year. Her Escondido, Calif., home was valued at about $480,000 last year, and her Vallejo, Calif., house at about $495,000, according to court papers related to their seizure by the federal government.

Recently, Charleroi has exerted a pull on Palfrey as she returned, quietly. In late 2002, she launched a Charleroi Area High School alumni association Web site. On it, she expressed her interest in the Innocence Project for wrongly convicted prison inmates: "Never could stomach injustice, social or otherwise," she wrote, adding a photograph of herself as a young girl with shiny bangs by a Christmas tree.

In 2004, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Postal Service launched a joint investigation of Pamela Martin & Associates. Palfrey, who conducted most of her business by e-mail and phone, allegedly instructed her "subcontractors" to convert her share of fees into money orders and mail them to her post office box in California.

Palfrey's legal strategy is to aver she had no idea that the women working for her ever engaged in prostitution. In papers filed in U.S District Court, Palfrey alleged that a former escort identified as Paula Neble and 15 "Jane Does" breached their contracts by engaging in illegal sex. Neble's attorney, Kathy Voelker, said she has "no comment at all."

Palfrey has had a lot of setbacks lately. She says she is "indigent." But she is not likely to go quietly.

"I should just 'cave' and defend myself," she wrote in a recent e-mail. "Otherwise, this ridiculous caricature people seem to have of someone in my position . . . sadly will be at my expense."

Just awesome...

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I wonder how many people running for prez are on that list?

All of them I hope.

 

[Craig234]

I think a reason these situations are so popular is that the public feels powerless to remove a lot of these people from power, and a scandal gives them a way to do so. So, it's exciting to see which powerful, usually well-protected people are in trouble.

Do they deserve to be in trouble? Depends on your views on the morality of paying someone to have sex, the hypocrisy if you preach aganst that sort of thing, and the question of whether their judgement was bad to do this (if they'll take a big risk on this, maybe they would on, say, war, too?)

 

[ProfJohn]

Great drama.

Lousy governance.

 

[ayabe]

This is my favorite part by far:

"as well as a number of women with "important and serious jobs" who had worked as escorts for the firm"

Now we get to see who the real freaks are.....Monica Goodling ftw or maybe Dana Perrino :thumbsup:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I wonder how many people running for prez are on that list?

All of them I hope.

Why do you hope? What makes you a white tux virgin???

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
First, let me say that I think the laws against prostitution are silly and based on religious beliefs. But be that as it may, police regularly perform sting operations to catch the johns and make their names public, so I see nothing wrong with releasing the list.

The real problem comes about when trying to compile the list. Which people in her records actually got laid, as opposed to simply using the service to take a hot looking chick to the opera or a school reunion?

I would de-criminalize prostitution.

Fresh new taxes and it would probably become America's biggest revenue too. :laugh:

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Craig234
I think a reason these situations are so popular is that the public feels powerless to remove a lot of these people from power, and a scandal gives them a way to do so. So, it's exciting to see which powerful, usually well-protected people are in trouble.

Do they deserve to be in trouble? Depends on your views on the morality of paying someone to have sex, the hypocrisy if you preach aganst that sort of thing, and the question of whether their judgement was bad to do this (if they'll take a big risk on this, maybe they would on, say, war, too?)

EXACTLY!

You can't vote them out but you can make them resign in shame. What's more, it's confirmation that they live lives that are total fabrications... of thier hypocrisy... of, well, insert suspicions here...

I can not wait for this list...

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I wonder how many people running for prez are on that list?

All of them I hope.

Why do you hope? What makes you a white tux virgin???

Because I'd like to see the entire Washington political establishment torn down.

 

[EagleKeeper]

If the person has a security clearance who is on the list, it could also cost them their job.

how many political aides and holy-than-thou names will show up?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I wonder how many people running for prez are on that list?

All of them I hope.

Why do you hope? What makes you a white tux virgin???

Because I'd like to see the entire Washington political establishment torn down.

Yeah right. :roll:

 

[piasabird]

I thought sex between consenting adults had nothing to do with job performance?

Oh, that was only when Bill Clinton was involved!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I thought sex between consenting adults had nothing to do with job performance?!

Only if the job being performed isn't sex. :shocked:

 

[dahunan]

What about Jeff Gannon.. was he running a "Call-Boy" business for Carl Rove or what?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: dahunan
What about Jeff Gannon.. was he running a "Call-Boy" business for Carl Rove or what?

I thought that was Barney Frank... Whatever.

I can already see the battle lines being drawn in here... people lining up just in case one of "your guys" is on the list. (The royal "your" - not pointing at you dahunan)

There has been one name officially leaked from the list. A State Dept guy who insists he only got the massage, not the happy ending. On May 4 there will be a lot more people claiming different versions of the same thing.

In case I haven't said it before... Republican/Democrat/Independent/Socialist/Green... I DON"T CARE... This is going to be fun. I don't care if George, Dick, Alberto and Condi are on that list. I don't care if Kerry (Bob or John), Gore, Byrd, or Pelosi are on that list. Whoever is on the list is fair game as far as I'm concerned. I can't wait. Put their self serving, self righteous asses in place.

Let the premptive denials begin!

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I thought sex between consenting adults had nothing to do with job performance?

Oh, that was only when Bill Clinton was involved!

prostitution is illegal, Monica didnt charge a fee.

 

[Lemon law]

I see on the news that our call madam didn't retain names---only phone numbers---and I very much wonder how many people who recently got a recycled phone number are going to be falsely dragged into this?----especially when the numbers are a few years old.

But we may finally get the goods on big bird and sponge pants Bob.

And I also wonder how many smart politicians saw this coming and changed their phone numbers quite awhile ago----but smart and politician seldom goes together.

Any of you want to buy a recycled phone number---cheap---low miles on it---and only used to call a certain little ole lady from Passadina on Sundays?

 

[zephyrprime]

Let this be a lesson to all ATers. Always use cash for transactions with prostitutes. Don't leave a paper trail.

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I see on the news that our call madam didn't retain names---only phone numbers---and I very much wonder how many people who recently got a recycled phone number are going to be falsely dragged into this?----especially when the numbers are a few years old.

But we may finally get the goods on big bird and sponge pants Bob.

And I also wonder how many smart politicians saw this coming and changed their phone numbers quite awhile ago----but smart and politician seldom goes together.

Any of you want to buy a recycled phone number---cheap---low miles on it---and only used to call a certain little ole lady from Passadina on Sundays?

Well if they have any dates associated with those phone numbers, than you can just look up the records on who had what phone number when.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Normally, I get angered over these types of stories since I support individual rights and thus believe that prostitution should be legal. However, in this case, since it's those very same lawmakers who wish to deprive us of personal freedoms, I'm hoping that the list is released.

Agreed.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
Well if they have any dates associated with those phone numbers, than you can just look up the records on who had what phone number when.

The media and dirt slingers are not going to worry about such details until they are called on the carpet.

If a person has that number, they will be suspect and accused until shown otherwise.

Then what happens if it comes from a common number vs private number.
Guilt by association of anyone that would have access to such a number (via a switchboard).

 

[kage69]

What about Jeff Gannon.. was he running a "Call-Boy" business for Carl Rove or what?

Exactly what I was thinking. I would agree with Craig's initial statement, but then I considered that we had a gay escort making all kinds of visits to the White House and spending the night on occasion. Let's forget for a moment the side of the story which involves him being used as a paid shill from a phony news agency in press conferences - the admin which opposes gay rights and looks down at homosexuals from a moral pulpit was having a gay prostitute over for sleepovers. I don't recall seeing any outrage from republican politicians, their religious base, or conservative voters. In fact, they ran from the story in typical FAUX fashion and embraced anything and everything to take focus off the debacle. The same folks who launched a witch-hunt over consensual sex between hetero adults mind you...

While I'm going to love seeing and hearing politicians squirm over this story, part of me wonders if it'll ever amount to anything. Marital infidelity is nothing new to our officials, particularly the ones who love to harp on and on about family and conventional marriage. DC has seen hookers frequented by politicians since the founding of the country, and the public already had far more damning dirt on our leadership - but it didn't really matter in the end.