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[NutBucket]

Seems the race was a bit controversial as far as those who like the action and those who thought it was boring.

I thought it was pretty good.

 

[Dranoche]

I enjoyed it. Wasn't much happening up front and the drivers set expectations low before the race with comments about the track surface, might be why some thought it was boring.

Plenty going on midfield. Lots of screwups and changes happening through and coming out of turn 8 at the fake marina. Good climbs from Russell, Albon, and especially Ocon.

Overall not bad for a first run. Curious what might change for next year.

 

[zinfamous]

I thought it was a good track and a good race. I went in expecting not to like it because I don't really like those narrow street circuits, but this was much better than Monaco or Jedda. A lot of action and opportunities for most of the field.

Kind of surprised Mercedes finished the way they did, because they were looking good for the weekend and whether or not their fixes did anything for their performance, it looked like the track, at least, helped to handicap them to make them more competitive at the top, at least for this weekend.

Sainz was great defending from Checo with the fresh tires at the restart. Glad he finally finished a race too, heh.

 

[Ajay]

Sainz was great defending from Checo with the fresh tires at the restart. Glad he finally finished a race too, heh.

Yeah, Carlos drove his butt off under heavy pressure. All Perez had to do was wait for a mistake, but, he was the one to make a mistake. Max and Sainz looked like they had been through the ringer after that race, Leclerc looked much fresher.

 

[Ajay]

Yikes, if Zim and I don't show up - nada!

FORMULA 1 AZERBAIJAN GRAND PRIX 2022 QUALIFYING RESULTS:

POS	NO	DRIVER	CAR	Q1	Q2	Q3	LAPS
1	16	Charles Leclerc	FERRARI	1:42.865	1:42.046	1:41.359	19
2	11	Sergio Perez	RED BULL RACING RBPT	1:42.733	1:41.955	1:41.641	18
3	1	Max Verstappen	RED BULL RACING RBPT	1:42.722	1:42.227	1:41.706	19
4	55	Carlos Sainz	FERRARI	1:42.957	1:42.088	1:41.814	19
5	63	George Russell	MERCEDES	1:43.754	1:43.281	1:42.712	23
6	10	Pierre Gasly	ALPHATAURI RBPT	1:43.268	1:43.129	1:42.845	23
7	44	Lewis Hamilton	MERCEDES	1:43.939	1:43.182	1:42.924	22
8	22	Yuki Tsunoda	ALPHATAURI RBPT	1:43.595	1:43.376	1:43.056	22
9	5	Sebastian Vettel	ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES	1:43.279	1:43.268	1:43.091	18
10	14	Fernando Alonso	ALPINE RENAULT	1:44.083	1:43.360	1:43.173	20
11	4	Lando Norris	MCLAREN MERCEDES	1:44.237	1:43.398		16
12	3	Daniel Ricciardo	MCLAREN MERCEDES	1:44.437	1:43.574		17
13	31	Esteban Ocon	ALPINE RENAULT	1:43.903	1:43.585		13
14	24	Zhou Guanyu	ALFA ROMEO FERRARI	1:43.777	1:43.790		13
15	77	Valtteri Bottas	ALFA ROMEO FERRARI	1:44.478	1:44.444		13
16	20	Kevin Magnussen	HAAS FERRARI	1:44.643			9
17	23	Alexander Albon	WILLIAMS MERCEDES	1:44.719			9
18	6	Nicholas Latifi	WILLIAMS MERCEDES	1:45.367			8
19	18	Lance Stroll	ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES	1:45.371			7
20	47	Mick Schumacher	HAAS FERRARI	1:45.775			9

 

[zebrax2]

FORMULA 1 AZERBAIJAN GRAND PRIX 2022 Race Results

Pos	Driver	Car	Time	Stops
1	Max Verstappen	Red Bull	1:34:05.941	2
2	Sergio Perez	Red Bull	20.823s	2
3	George Russell	Mercedes	45.995s	2
4	Lewis Hamilton	Mercedes	71.679s	2
5	Pierre Gasly	AlphaTauri	77.299s	1
6	Sebastian Vettel	Aston Martin	84.099s	1
7	Fernando Alonso	Alpine	88.596s	1
8	Daniel Ricciardo	McLaren	92.207s	1
9	Lando Norris	McLaren	92.556s	1
10	Esteban Ocon	Alpine	108.184s	1
11	Valtteri Bottas	Alfa Romeo Racing	1 LAP	1
12	Alex Albon	Williams	1 LAP	2
13	Yuki Tsunoda	AlphaTauri	1 LAP	2
14	Mick Schumacher	Haas	1 LAP	2
15	Nicholas Latifi	Williams	1 LAP	2
16	Lance Stroll	Aston Martin	4 LAPS	2
R	Kevin Magnussen	Haas	19 LAPS	1
R	Guanyu Zhou	Alfa Romeo Racing	27 LAPS	2
R	Charles Leclerc	Ferrari	29 LAPS	2
R	Carlos Sainz	Ferrari	42 LAPS	0

Absolutely terrible results for Ferrari with double DNF due to engine (Leclerc) and hydraulic (Sainz) failure. This and their mistake at Monaco must be demoralizing for the team and drivers. Red Bull is now 1 & 2nd on the driver standings. Mercedes can't seem to fix their porpoising issue.

 

[zinfamous]

I wonder if old man Lewis will be able to drive next week. His back looked shot. I'm surprised the teams have pretty much decided to accept the bouncing this far into the season, as long as the performance is still there. This situation is wrecking the drivers.

Those nice Ferrari power units seem to be...unreliable across the field. Not good for those teams.

 

[Ajay]

wonder if old man Lewis will be able to drive next week. His back looked shot. I'm surprised the teams have pretty much decided to accept the bouncing this far into the season, as long as the performance is still there. This situation is wrecking the drivers.

Well, between his physio and two trigger point injections of a corticosteroid and he'll be good to go. As someone with recurring back problems, I do feel for him right now.

Those nice Ferrari power units seem to be...unreliable across the field. Not good for those teams.

Yeah, RB started out with poor reliability, but Ferrari is tanking pretty badly right now. Kind of sucks as a racing fan, the drama of the race falls off quite a bit when this happens.

 

[Ajay]

Formula 1 CANADIA GRAND PRIX Final Race Results:

POS	NO	DRIVER	CAR	LAPS	TIME/RETIRED	PTS
1	1	Max Verstappen	RED BULL RACING RBPT	70	1:36:21.757	25
2	55	Carlos Sainz	FERRARI	70	+0.993s	19
3	44	Lewis Hamilton	MERCEDES	70	+7.006s	15
4	63	George Russell	MERCEDES	70	+12.313s	12
5	16	Charles Leclerc	FERRARI	70	+15.168s	10
6	31	Esteban Ocon	ALPINE RENAULT	70	+23.890s	8
7	77	Valtteri Bottas	ALFA ROMEO FERRARI	70	+25.247s	6
8	24	Zhou Guanyu	ALFA ROMEO FERRARI	70	+26.952s	4
9	14	Fernando Alonso	ALPINE RENAULT	70	+29.945s	2
10	18	Lance Stroll	ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES	70	+38.222s	1

Overall, a good race. I like the Circuit, but too many DRS trains. Great race between Verstappen and Sainz in the final laps. As an RB fan, bummed that Perez's engine augured in. As an F1 fan, nice to see Mercedes being competitive!

 

[zebrax2]

McLaren blew their double-stack. Slow on the first car and unprepared for the second one.

 

[Ajay]

McLaren blew their double-stack. Slow on the first car and unprepared for the second one.

Yeah, they keep tripping over their own feet this year. It’s sad and bizarre to watch.

 

[Meghan54]

Formula 1 CANADIA GRAND PRIX Final Race Results:

POS	NO	DRIVER	CAR	LAPS	TIME/RETIRED	PTS
1	1	Max Verstappen	RED BULL RACING RBPT	70	1:36:21.757	25
2	55	Carlos Sainz	FERRARI	70	+0.993s	19
3	44	Lewis Hamilton	MERCEDES	70	+7.006s	15
4	63	George Russell	MERCEDES	70	+12.313s	12
5	16	Charles Leclerc	FERRARI	70	+15.168s	10
6	31	Esteban Ocon	ALPINE RENAULT	70	+23.890s	8
7	77	Valtteri Bottas	ALFA ROMEO FERRARI	70	+25.247s	6
8	24	Zhou Guanyu	ALFA ROMEO FERRARI	70	+26.952s	4
9	14	Fernando Alonso	ALPINE RENAULT	70	+29.945s	2
10	18	Lance Stroll	ASTON MARTIN ARAMCO MERCEDES	70	+38.222s	1

Overall, a good race. I like the Circuit, but too many DRS trains. Great race between Verstappen and Sainz in the final laps. As an RB fan, bummed that Perez's engine augured in. As an F1 fan, nice to see Mercedes being competitive!

I swear F1 should take a lesson from Indycar and switch to a push-to-pass system. Probably be way less complex and more entertaining.

 

[Ajay]

I swear F1 should take a lesson from Indycar and switch to a push-to-pass system. Probably be way less complex and more entertaining.

Ive thought about that too, but I don’t think it would work with F1s strict fuel limit. I just don’t know what F1 can do without wrecking other fun aspects of the whole system. Putting an even tighter cost cap in place would even things out, but then much of the cutting edge engineering would go out the window, and so forth.

And, I think Indy cars use way too much fuel, but there is no way around it on many US circuits. Fun to watch though, well, ovals no so much for me at least - that’s why I could never get into NASCAR.

 

[zebrax2]

Formula 1 BRITISH GRAND PRIX Final Race Results:

Pos	Driver	Team	Time	Stops
1	Carlos Sainz	Ferrari	1:21:20.440	3
2	Sergio Perez	Red Bull	3.779s	3
3	Lewis Hamilton	Mercedes	6.225s	3
4	Charles Leclerc	Ferrari	8.546s	2
5	Fernando Alonso	Alpine	9.571s	3
6	Lando Norris	McLaren	11.943s	3
7	Max Verstappen	Red Bull	18.777s	4
8	Mick Schumacher	Haas	18.995s	3
9	Sebastian Vettel	Aston Martin	22.356s	3
10	Kevin Magnussen	Haas	24.590s	2
11	Lance Stroll	Aston Martin	26.147s	3
12	Nicholas Latifi	Williams	32.511s	3
13	Daniel Ricciardo	McLaren	32.817s	4
14	Yuki Tsunoda	AlphaTauri	40.910s	3
R	Esteban Ocon	Alpine	14 LAPS	2
R	Pierre Gasly	AlphaTauri	25 LAPS	3
R	Valtteri Bottas	Alfa Romeo Racing	31 LAPS	2
R	George Russell	Mercedes	51 LAPS	0
R	Alex Albon	Williams	51 LAPS	0
R	Guanyu Zhou	Alfa Romeo Racing	51 LAPS	0

1st win for Sainz but the decision to not pit Leclerc is questionable at best. Leclerc and Max both sustained damages to their car during race. Great battle between the top 4. There are a few controversial moves by some drivers that were left unpunished. Horrifying crash for Zhou luckily he seems ok. Double points for Haas. Ricciardo back to no mans land. FIA issuing an update to the technical directive sparked some talks regarding some teams finding a grey area in the rules regarding elements on the floor flexing more than intended.

 

[Ajay]

Thanks Zebrax2! I really enjoyed this race. Ferrari did blow it wrt the driver championship by not pitting Charles, at least Sainz got a well deserved win. Verstappen was very racy till his floor was scragged by debris. I am hoping Merc can keep edging forward. Ricciardo just hasn’t been able to get it together post Redbull - just horrible.

 

[_Rick_]

A Sprint in Austria is going to be interesting, with overtaking being very possible around there, but the potential to get it wrong just as bad.
I'm excited already!

 

[Ajay]

A Sprint in Austria is going to be interesting, with overtaking being very possible around there, but the potential to get it wrong just as bad.
I'm excited already!

Hi _Rick_! I hated the idea at first - but it sure makes for a fun weekend!

 

[_Rick_]

Well, the Sprint was fun. Not so much out front, but plenty of little drama, and a Checo managed to redeem himself somewhat after that post-fact Q3 exclusion.
Now let's do it one more time with strategy. The top 5 looked pretty evenly matched so far.

 

[zebrax2]

Formula 1 AUSTRIAN GRAND PRIX Final Race Results:

POS	Driver	Team	Time	Stops
1	Charles Leclerc	Ferrari	1:24:24.312	3
2	Max Verstappen	Red Bull	1.532s	3
3	Lewis Hamilton	Mercedes	41.217s	2
4	George Russell	Mercedes	58.972s	2
5	Esteban Ocon	Alpine	68.436s	2
6	Mick Schumacher	Haas	1 LAP	2
7	Lando Norris	McLaren	1 LAP	2
8	Kevin Magnussen	Haas	1 LAP	2
9	Daniel Ricciardo	McLaren	1 LAP	2
10	Fernando Alonso	Alpine	1 LAP	3
11	Valtteri Bottas	Alfa Romeo Racing	1 LAP	2
12	Alex Albon	Williams	1 LAP	2
13	Lance Stroll	Aston Martin	1 LAP	2
14	Guanyu Zhou	Alfa Romeo Racing	1 LAP	2
15	Sebastian Vettel	Aston Martin	1 LAP	2
16	Pierre Gasly	AlphaTauri	1 LAP	2
17	Yuki Tsunoda	AlphaTauri	1 LAP	2
R	Carlos Sainz	Ferrari	14 LAPS	2
R	Nicholas Latifi	Williams	22 LAPS	3
R	Sergio Perez	Red Bull	46 LAPS	2

A win for Leclerc. Ferrari seems to have superior pace to Red Bull during the race unfortunately Sainzs' engine decided to blow itself up. The ending is also a nail biter as Leclerc started having throttle issue. Perez got hit by Russel at the start then Red Bull decided to retire him 1/3 into the race. Double points for Haas again with Mick getting the DOTD. Track limit violation warnings was raining throughout the race. Zhou was given a 5 sec penalty for exceeding track limits which was later clarified as a mistake.

 

[Ajay]

It was a good race. Wish Sainz and Perez didn’t get knocked out so we would have seen some more interesting strategy plays. Apparently tire deg on the RBs was worse than the Ferraris, a switch from earlier in the year. Could have been a poor setup on RB, or just Ferrari having a better car for the circuit this year. The DRS trains continue to annoy me - F1 needs a solution to this, IMHO. Nice result for Hamilton, Ocon and Shumacher.

 

[zinfamous]

Can someone explain to me wtf Ferrari were thinking today? I mean...Sainz was pretty much going to get a podium, maybe 2nd even, with the potential of blowing out and getting nothing, of course...but they opted to play it safe and get a possible maximum of like, 3 points from him today?

The fuck is wrong with their brains? And bothering him while he was passing Perez? lolwtf is going on with that team. Part of me understands that they would have risked more if LeClerk were still in the race at that point, but seriously: the fuck is the difference from getting no more than 3 points or zero points if they actually had some balls and let him stay in and finish on those old tires?

Dude was smoking the field. The new power unit was goddamn impressive yesterday in qualifying and in race...I guess they don't trust themselves because of all the failures they have had this year....but what a bunch of dumbfuckery. Austria was a great weekend, this one was obnoxious, lol.

I guess Merc should be happy, but still, they really only beat Perez today. They needed LeClerk to drive into a wall and Ferrari generally decide not to win for some reason, to get the result that they did.

 

[zebrax2]

Formula 1 FRENCH GRAND PRIX Final Race Results:

POS	Driver	Team	Time	Stops
1	Max Verstappen	Red Bull	1:30:02.112	1
2	Lewis Hamilton	Mercedes	10.587s	1
3	George Russell	Mercedes	16.495s	1
4	Sergio Perez	Red Bull	17.310s	1
5	Carlos Sainz	Ferrari	28.872s	2
6	Fernando Alonso	Alpine	42.879s	1
7	Lando Norris	McLaren	52.026s	1
8	Esteban Ocon	Alpine	56.959s	1
9	Daniel Ricciardo	McLaren	60.372s	1
10	Lance Stroll	Aston Martin	62.549s	1
11	Sebastian Vettel	Aston Martin	64.494s	1
12	Pierre Gasly	AlphaTauri	65.448s	1
13	Alex Albon	Williams	68.565s	1
14	Valtteri Bottas	Alfa Romeo Racing	76.666s	2
15	Mick Schumacher	Haas	80.394s	2
R	Guanyu Zhou	Alfa Romeo Racing	5 LAPS	2
R	Nicholas Latifi	Williams	12 LAPS	3
R	Kevin Magnussen	Haas	15 LAPS	3
R	Charles Leclerc	Ferrari	35 LAPS	0
R	Yuki Tsunoda	AlphaTauri	35 LAPS	2

Huge blunder by Leclerc with Max pretty much running away with the championship now. Good drive by Sainz. A bad drive by Perez not getting past Lewis at the start of the race (barely even tried) and getting caught asleep after the VSC. Mercs getting closer to the top teams it looks like in terms of race pace but still has issues getting their tires to proper temperature quickly which greatly affect their qualifying.

@zinfamous
I think Sainz got a 5 sec penalty due to unsafe release and Ferrari probably thought Sainz wouldn't be able to create enough of a gap to clear Perez and Russell anyway so why risk it especially since Sainz has reportedly have a blister on the front-right tire. A tire failure could also result to a crash and that would not only eat into their budget (budget cap) but potentially damage Sainz new PU as well. On the other hand the unsafe release shouldn't have happened in the first place anyway.

 

[Stopsignhank]

Can someone explain to me wtf Ferrari were thinking today? I mean...Sainz was pretty much going to get a podium, maybe 2nd even, with the potential of blowing out and getting nothing, of course...but they opted to play it safe and get a possible maximum of like, 3 points from him today?

The fuck is wrong with their brains? And bothering him while he was passing Perez? lolwtf is going on with that team. Part of me understands that they would have risked more if LeClerk were still in the race at that point, but seriously: the fuck is the difference from getting no more than 3 points or zero points if they actually had some balls and let him stay in and finish on those old tires?

Dude was smoking the field. The new power unit was goddamn impressive yesterday in qualifying and in race...I guess they don't trust themselves because of all the failures they have had this year....but what a bunch of dumbfuckery. Austria was a great weekend, this one was obnoxious, lol.

I guess Merc should be happy, but still, they really only beat Perez today. They needed LeClerk to drive into a wall and Ferrari generally decide not to win for some reason, to get the result that they did.

That was a LONG way to go on medium tires. Too far. I think they should have brought him sooner, with 15 laps to go, and put soft tires on. The told him to go as fast as he fucking can.
Trying to talk to a driver while he is passing was incredible, we’re they not watching the race? Well of course they were not judging by the calls they made.

 

[Dranoche]

That was a LONG way to go on medium tires. Too far. I think they should have brought him sooner, with 15 laps to go, and put soft tires on. The told him to go as fast as he fucking can.
Trying to talk to a driver while he is passing was incredible, we’re they not watching the race? Well of course they were not judging by the calls they made.

That was rough to watch and hear. From Sainz's messages he seems very aware of the overall race situation, and then the race engineers hit him up at all the wrong times for seemingly nonsensical messages or strategies.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah at that point the 5 second penalty didn't really matter if he was able to continue--he still would have cleared 2nd place. Pit stop with his penalty was what, ~32 seconds? He finished 28s off, and had to clear traffic when they released him and gained 4? more places.

Yes, I understand the risk of leaving him on those old tires and they certainly should have brought him in earlier, but my argument is about not taking risk. Ferrari seems to have no balls. If his tires were fading that bad, then his grip wasn't showing it. Is it that they were only worried about a blowout and possibly damaging the shiny new bits they bolted on that weekend? ...they're Ferrari. They have money! If he has to start at the back of the field again next week, so what? He clearly has the pace.

Sainz drives a lot like Alonso in terms of being able to understand and control the situation from the cockpit. I think they should just let him drive.