Updated 8/13/2004: Absolute proof of a Moore deception in F911

[alchemize]

Updated 8/13/2004: More on Moore's deception: Letter from lawyer refuses to admit deception, pay damages. Moore ignores requests from newspaper Link The letter does admit one error

Although offering no apology, the letter from Chatillon, who represents Westside Productions, which produced "Fahrenheit 9/11," did admit the date of The Pantagraph page flashed in the movie "was unfortunately off by a couple weeks." But the mistake "did not make a difference to the editorial point ... and was in no way detrimental to (The Pantagraph.)"

Interesting that they now admit it was an editorial, even though that portion was doctored out of the film.

Commentary fromt he Pantagraph editor: Link

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I had to post this, since this is the newspaper in the town I work

(stolen from fark)

Newspaper Claims Moore Altered Front Page

BLOOMINGTON, Ill. (AP) -- Filmmaker Michael Moore's Bush-bashing documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" has apparently upset more than Republicans. The Pantagraph newspaper in Bloomington said Friday it sent a letter to Moore and the film's distributor, Lions Gate Entertainment Corp., asking for an apology for using what it said was a doctored front page in his movie.

The paper is seeking $1 in damages.

A scene early in the movie shows newspaper headlines related to the contested 2000 presidential election. It includes a shot of The Pantagraph's Dec. 19, 2001, front page, with the prominent headline, "Latest Florida recount shows Gore won election."

The newspaper says that headline never appeared on that day.

The paper said the headline appeared in a Dec. 5, 2001, edition but was not used on the front page. Instead, it was found in much smaller type above a letter to the editor, which the paper says reflects "only the opinions of the letter writer."

"If (Moore) wants to 'edit' The Pantagraph, he should apply for a copy-editing job," the paper said.

Neither Lions Gate nor Moore were immediately available for comment Sunday.

Moore's altered article

Original article

I'm going to ask the in-laws if they have a copy of that paper, they save EVERYTHING lol...




Edit: this will be more fun in the header

/me keeps score

liberal diversionists and apologists: 6
Eurotrash liberal (oxymoron?) diversionists and general threadcrapper/hijacker: 1
Neocons that generally would be expected to post in favor: 8 (including myself)
Liberals not yet posting an opinion: 1
Undetermined/moderate: 1 (need to see what rabidmongoose is - he's canadian gotta be liberal? )

 

[Todd33]

He changed the font and the date by 14 days. Is that the best you can find? That kind of lie would be a good day for the White House.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Todd33
He changed the font and the date by 14 days. Is that the best you can find? That kind of lie would be a good day for the White House.

And he made an editorial a front page article.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Todd33
He changed the font and the date by 14 days. Is that the best you can find? That kind of lie would be a good day for the White House.

At least you admitted it was a lie. You are growing, maybe in 40 years, you'll only be the 27th most partisan person on the planet.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Todd33
He changed the font and the date by 14 days. Is that the best you can find? That kind of lie would be a good day for the White House.

And he made an editorial a front page article.

And it isn't even an editorial, its a "letter to the editor".

That's like attributing a post on this forum as "anantech news".

 

[DealMonkey]

Was it the part of the movie which had newspapers spinning around and around like in those old newsreel type clips?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Was it the part of the movie which had newspapers spinning around and around like in those old newsreel type clips?

Yes, that was in the start of the movie.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Todd33
He changed the font and the date by 14 days. Is that the best you can find? That kind of lie would be a good day for the White House.

At least you admitted it was a lie. You are growing, maybe in 40 years, you'll only be the 27th most partisan person on the planet.

And you would be the 26th?

 

[viivo]

Lame on Mikey's part, but expected nonetheless. I respect The Pantagraph for not seeking huge compensation for 'mental anguish' and 'physical pain' brought on by the situation.

 

[Todd33]

With the thousands of claims in the movie, the "proof" that it's all BS boils down to a few little things. So 2% of the movie is BS, the other 98% is pretty powerful.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Todd33
With the thousands of claims in the movie, the "proof" that it's all BS boils down to a few little things. So 2% of the movie is BS, the other 98% is pretty powerful.

I watched teh movie, i found most of it to be distorted at best.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Todd33
With the thousands of claims in the movie, the "proof" that it's all BS boils down to a few little things. So 2% of the movie is BS, the other 98% is pretty powerful.

Seems to me like we are getting to 98% BS and 2% truth.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Todd33
With the thousands of claims in the movie, the "proof" that it's all BS boils down to a few little things. So 2% of the movie is BS, the other 98% is pretty powerful.

I watched teh movie, i found most of it to be distorted at best.

Well, considering you still believe in the WMD claim i am not surprised.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Todd33
With the thousands of claims in the movie, the "proof" that it's all BS boils down to a few little things. So 2% of the movie is BS, the other 98% is pretty powerful.

Seems to me like we are getting to 98% BS and 2% truth.

From the BS administration? I can agree on that.

Found any of the stockpiles yet?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Todd33
With the thousands of claims in the movie, the "proof" that it's all BS boils down to a few little things. So 2% of the movie is BS, the other 98% is pretty powerful.

I watched teh movie, i found most of it to be distorted at best.

Well, considering you still believe in the WMD claim i am not surprised.

I believe that all the worlds intel agencys(including germany and france) thought Iraq had WMD before the war.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Todd33
With the thousands of claims in the movie, the "proof" that it's all BS boils down to a few little things. So 2% of the movie is BS, the other 98% is pretty powerful.

I watched teh movie, i found most of it to be distorted at best.

Well, considering you still believe in the WMD claim i am not surprised.

I believe that all the worlds intel agencys(including germany and france) thought Iraq had WMD before the war.

Do you also believe that none of those agencies claimed to know but still the US government did make that claim, not only that they were there but they also claimed to know where?

Because i do believe that the only source that wasn't prepared to wait and find out for certain was the US admin.

 

[alchemize]

/me keeps score
Edit: Klixxer get's his own category


liberal diversionists and apologists: 1
Eurotrash liberal (oxymoron?) diversionists and general threadcrapper: 1
Neocons that generally would be expected to post in favor: 3 (including myself)
Liberals not yet posting an opinion: 1

 

[TheBDB]

People have accused the movie of being propaganda and said Moore lied in it. Is this the first "incorrect fact" that has been pointed out?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Todd33
With the thousands of claims in the movie, the "proof" that it's all BS boils down to a few little things. So 2% of the movie is BS, the other 98% is pretty powerful.

I watched teh movie, i found most of it to be distorted at best.

Well, considering you still believe in the WMD claim i am not surprised.

I believe that all the worlds intel agencys(including germany and france) thought Iraq had WMD before the war.

Do you also believe that none of those agencies claimed to know but still the US government did make that claim, not only that they were there but they also claimed to know where?

Because i do believe that the only source that wasn't prepared to wait and find out for certain was the US admin.

Let me guess you were prepared to wait another 12 years.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: alchemize
/me keeps score

liberal diversionists and apologists: 2
Neocons that generally would be expected to post in favor: 3 (including myself)
Liberals not yet posting an opinion: 1

Which part of my post was an opinion?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Todd33
With the thousands of claims in the movie, the "proof" that it's all BS boils down to a few little things. So 2% of the movie is BS, the other 98% is pretty powerful.

I watched teh movie, i found most of it to be distorted at best.

Well, considering you still believe in the WMD claim i am not surprised.

I believe that all the worlds intel agencys(including germany and france) thought Iraq had WMD before the war.

Do you also believe that none of those agencies claimed to know but still the US government did make that claim, not only that they were there but they also claimed to know where?

Because i do believe that the only source that wasn't prepared to wait and find out for certain was the US admin.

Let me guess you were prepared to wait another 12 years.

Another 12 years for what? To find what didn't exist? I believe i can wait 12 years NOW and they STILL won't find it.

Or rather, point out where the inspections didn't work and the invasion did to me, which wmd's that were not found before has been found since?

 

[Todd33]

*Yawn* Can I go home yet? I'm tired of working to support all the lazy conservatives.

I read most of the stuff F9/11 was based on ('House of Saud, House of Bush' is a good one), most of the spin went past me, I filtered it out. Now if more people from both sides did a little reading and looked into the facts... but this is a nation of lazy TV watchers. Back to Fear Factor and Survivor right?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Todd33
With the thousands of claims in the movie, the "proof" that it's all BS boils down to a few little things. So 2% of the movie is BS, the other 98% is pretty powerful.

I watched teh movie, i found most of it to be distorted at best.

Well, considering you still believe in the WMD claim i am not surprised.

I believe that all the worlds intel agencys(including germany and france) thought Iraq had WMD before the war.

Do you also believe that none of those agencies claimed to know but still the US government did make that claim, not only that they were there but they also claimed to know where?

Because i do believe that the only source that wasn't prepared to wait and find out for certain was the US admin.

Let me guess you were prepared to wait another 12 years.

Another 12 years for what? To find what didn't exist? I believe i can wait 12 years NOW and they STILL won't find it.

Or rather, point out where the inspections didn't work and the invasion did to me, which wmd's that were not found before has been found since?

Unfortunatly the inspections were not working. As saddam was still being uncooperative even with 150k troops in kuwait.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Todd33
With the thousands of claims in the movie, the "proof" that it's all BS boils down to a few little things. So 2% of the movie is BS, the other 98% is pretty powerful.

I watched teh movie, i found most of it to be distorted at best.

Well, considering you still believe in the WMD claim i am not surprised.

I believe that all the worlds intel agencys(including germany and france) thought Iraq had WMD before the war.

Do you also believe that none of those agencies claimed to know but still the US government did make that claim, not only that they were there but they also claimed to know where?

Because i do believe that the only source that wasn't prepared to wait and find out for certain was the US admin.

Let me guess you were prepared to wait another 12 years.

Another 12 years for what? To find what didn't exist? I believe i can wait 12 years NOW and they STILL won't find it.

Or rather, point out where the inspections didn't work and the invasion did to me, which wmd's that were not found before has been found since?

Unfortunatly the inspections were not working. As saddam was still being uncooperative even with 150k troops in kuwait.

Yeah, he didn't want to turn over what he did not have?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Todd33
With the thousands of claims in the movie, the "proof" that it's all BS boils down to a few little things. So 2% of the movie is BS, the other 98% is pretty powerful.

I watched teh movie, i found most of it to be distorted at best.

Well, considering you still believe in the WMD claim i am not surprised.

I believe that all the worlds intel agencys(including germany and france) thought Iraq had WMD before the war.

Do you also believe that none of those agencies claimed to know but still the US government did make that claim, not only that they were there but they also claimed to know where?

Because i do believe that the only source that wasn't prepared to wait and find out for certain was the US admin.

Let me guess you were prepared to wait another 12 years.

Another 12 years for what? To find what didn't exist? I believe i can wait 12 years NOW and they STILL won't find it.

Or rather, point out where the inspections didn't work and the invasion did to me, which wmd's that were not found before has been found since?

Unfortunatly the inspections were not working. As saddam was still being uncooperative even with 150k troops in kuwait.

Yeah, he didn't want to turn over what he did not have?

Nor did he allow meaningful inspections to occur. This icluded but is not limited to to:
-not allowing scientist to be interviewed
-not allowing instant access to sites
-not showing how materials where disposed of