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UPDATED: 1 Kilowatt PSU! 1KW PSU!

Googer

Googer

Lifer
Now shipping and is a fully avalable to anyone who wishes to purchase this
http://www.frozencpu.com/psu-176.html


Interesting Interview with Doug Dodson- PC Power and Cooling Founder.


http://www.pcpowercooling.com/about/whatsnew/index.php#T1KW

Carlsbad, California, USA, September 5th, 2005

Developed to power next-generation graphics and high-performance servers, the Turbo-Cool 1KW from PC Power & Cooling will ship worldwide in September 2005. With a form factor that fits most ATX cases, the ground-breaking power supply delivers 1000 watts (one kilowatt) of continuous power with a peak power of 1100 watts. The unit will retail for $489.00 US and carries a 5-year warranty.

The upscale technology behind the Turbo-Cool 1KW was first introduced by PC Power & Cooling in its Turbo-Cool 850 SSI power supply, the industry's current performance leader. Released in February 2005, the 850 SSI has been recognized for excellence by NVIDIA corporation, Tom's Hardware, Maximum PC, and many other high-performance experts.

In order to generate one kilowatt of continuous power from the existing 850 SSI platform, the Turbo-Cool 1KW's power modules were engineered for greater thermal efficiency, and key components throughout the unit were upgraded to handle the additional current. The result is an EPS12V/SSI/SLI power supply with unprecedented output (66 amps total on the +12VDC rails) in a form factor that fits most ATX cases.
 
Do common users really need this much power? I wonder if it really saves you $$$ to use higher rated PSU regardless of actual usage. For example, who do you think will pay higher electric bill between the following:

A. User with an actual usage load of 300W and using a 400W PSU with 90% efficiency.

B. User with an actual usage load of 300W and using 550W PSU with 90% efficiency.

C. User with an actual usage load of 300W and using 1KW PSU with 90% efficiency.

Personally, I sincerely believe "A" will have the least to pay with his/her electric bill.
 
Originally posted by: Jiggz
Do common users really need this much power? I wonder if it really saves you $$$ to use higher rated PSU regardless of actual usage. For example, who do you think will pay higher electric bill between the following:

A. User with an actual usage load of 300W and using a 400W PSU with 90% efficiency.

B. User with an actual usage load of 300W and using 550W PSU with 90% efficiency.

C. User with an actual usage load of 300W and using 1KW PSU with 90% efficiency.

Personally, I sincerely believe "A" will have the least to pay with his/her electric bill.
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Yes and No.

Yes to those who have been running water pumps and peltiers as cooling devices in their pcs. A large PSU means they can remove the second PSU they had installed in their case to power their Pelteir (200-300w). It also means that you no longer need a relay to switch to turn on the second PSU to then turn on the Pump or peltier.

For people who are running air cooled setups probably the answer is no.

If your electric rates are high (.11 kw/h or more) then a Switching PSU like the Turbo Cool 850SSI that runs at 85% would save you money over an antec that runs 65-70% or a generic that typacly runs 45-60%. If it is 90% efficiant then I would consider this an investment that will pay off in long term. And I will never need to buy an new one because my old one was too small.

Oh and I forgot to mention that Gigabyte has a Quad SLI motherboard. 850-1000 watts might not be a bad idea.
 
Originally posted by: Jiggz
Do common users really need this much power? I wonder if it really saves you $$$ to use higher rated PSU regardless of actual usage. For example, who do you think will pay higher electric bill between the following:

A. User with an actual usage load of 300W and using a 400W PSU with 90% efficiency.

B. User with an actual usage load of 300W and using 550W PSU with 90% efficiency.

C. User with an actual usage load of 300W and using 1KW PSU with 90% efficiency.

Personally, I sincerely believe "A" will have the least to pay with his/her electric bill.
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I suspect that you are the same type of person that believes a ton of feahters is lighter than a ton of gold.
 
Yes to those who have been running water pumps and peltiers as cooling devices in their pcs. A large PSU means they can remove the second PSU they had installed in their case to power their Pelteir (200-300w). It also means that you no longer need a relay to switch to turn on the second PSU to then turn on the Pump or peltier.
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1kW is overkill even if you're using a 300W peltier in an A64FX with dual 7800GTXes.

A high-wattage (I assume this is what you mean by "large") PSU is not needed to run a pump, but a second, better PSU is still recommended. Pumps can benefit from better voltage regulation than what a PSU can offer, and they use little enough power for a separate, well-regulated +12V power supply to be feasible and inexpensive.


If your electric rates are high (.11 kw/h or more) then a Switching PSU like the Turbo Cool 850SSI that runs at 85% would save you money over an antec that runs 65-70% or a generic that typacly runs 45-60%. If it is 90% efficiant then I would consider this an investment that will pay off in long term.
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... but you'd save a lot more money by buying an equally efficient PSU that wasn't as hideously overpriced (see: 400-500W Zippy/emacs).

Also, where did you get the "90% efficient" idea from? I realize you're not saying it'll be so, I'm just curious where that possibility spawned from in your mind. IME, if size stays constant, there is an INVERSE relationship (at least with switching PSUs) between efficiency and wattage rating, and I doubt PCP&C will tell their ODM to change the basic design to get marginally improved efficiency. I am willing to bet that if there is any stated upgrade at all, it will be in name only (a "marketing upgrade", a la 1014TX->1015TX wattage rating).


And I will never need to buy an new one because my old one was too small.
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No, but you WOULD need to buy a new one when standards change. If you bought a PSU that's only 200-250% as powerful as it needs to be (same example), you still wouldn't need to upgrade until standards changed again. Computer power consumption is very near a wall right now, I would not buy an overpriced ultra-high-wattage PSU under the assumption that their power needs might double in the near future. Besides, even if you did have to upgrade because PCs started spewing fire, your projected costs are still lower overall for jumping from midrange high-efficiency unit to midrange high-efficiency unit.


Oh and I forgot to mention that Gigabyte has a Quad SLI motherboard. 850-1000 watts might not be a bad idea.
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To quote SS2: "impractical and unnecessary", with emphasis on the former. At any rate, as I said, it is safer and generally cheaper across all scenarios to deal with midrange high-efficiency units.
 
Like it or not (I may get one) this thing is now avalable from FrozenCpu.com
http://www.frozencpu.com/psu-176.html

And to respond to your comments:

Originally posted by: svi
And I will never need to buy an new one because my old one was too small.
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No, but you WOULD need to buy a new one when standards change. If you bought a PSU that's only 200-250% as powerful as it needs to be (same example), you still wouldn't need to upgrade until standards changed again. Computer power consumption is very near a wall right now, I would not buy an overpriced ultra-high-wattage PSU under the assumption that their power needs might double in the near future. Besides, even if you did have to upgrade because PCs started spewing fire, your projected costs are still lower overall for jumping from midrange high-efficiency unit to midrange high-efficiency unit.


Oh and I forgot to mention that Gigabyte has a Quad SLI motherboard. 850-1000 watts might not be a bad idea.
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To quote SS2: "impractical and unnecessary", with emphasis on the former. At any rate, as I said, it is safer and generally cheaper across all scenarios to deal with midrange high-efficiency units.
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When the standards change PC Power and Cooling will reconfigure the wireing in any Turbo Cool PSU that you purchase making it "Future Proof".

At .11¢ per KW/h a 100 watt light bulb if I remember correctly will use around $120 per year if left on 24/7 (It might be a 150watt bulb). So yes this PSU could pay for it's self when compaired to a 70% unit if the effciancy level of the 1kw is greater than 80%.
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Originally posted by: Googer
At .11¢ per KW/h a 100 watt light bulb if I remember correctly will use around $120 per year if left on 24/7 (It might be a 150watt bulb). So yes this PSU could pay for it's self when compaired to a 70% unit if the effciancy level of the 1kw is greater than 80%.
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And getting a Seasonic instead will save $57,000 in legal bills because the husband beat his wife out of irratated rage that he couldn't sleep at night because of the cooling solution necessary for the TC1k 😛
 
Originally posted by: ribbon13
Originally posted by: Googer
At .11¢ per KW/h a 100 watt light bulb if I remember correctly will use around $120 per year if left on 24/7 (It might be a 150watt bulb). So yes this PSU could pay for it's self when compaired to a 70% unit if the effciancy level of the 1kw is greater than 80%.
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And getting a Seasonic instead will save $57,000 in legal bills because the husband beat his wife out of irratated rage that he couldn't sleep at night because of the cooling solution necessary for the TC1k 😛
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I live with myself, by myself, and I only answer to myself. So I do not have that worry. Also the fan Inside of it can be orderd as a custom option to be thermo-sensitive. So when the PSU output increases the fanspeed will increase accordingly. No load means no heat.
 
And even if you were accurate... how long would it take you to save that $400+ in price difference in engergy costs (single psu comparison). Seems like somebody is just trying to win the e-penis contest. 😛
 
Not only is that psu expensive as hell, but do you really need that much power, well unless of course you're a computer hardware freak with 10hd's 4 optical drives and a tyan quad socket board with 4 dual core cpus and 2 7800's, but other than that...pointless. Completely pointless.
 
Just because it is a 1000watt PSU doesn't mean it will always be putting out 1000watts. PSUs only deliver what a system asks for...and in turn only draw that much current from your wall socket. So the argument that a 1000watt PSU will raise utility rates more than a 500watt PSU is simply not true.
 
Originally posted by: Googer
I live with myself by myself and I only answer to myself. So I do not have that worry. Also the fan Inside of it can be orderd as a custom option to be thermo-sensitive. So when the PSU output increases the fanspeed will increase accordingly. No load means no heat.
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Bored nitpick: No load means no point.
 
Originally posted by: SnoMunke
Just because it is a 1000watt PSU doesn't mean it will always be putting out 1000watts. PSUs only deliver what a system asks for...and in turn only draw that much current from your wall socket. So the argument that a 1000watt PSU will raise utility rates more than a 500watt PSU is simply not true.
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Correct.



If you have a 2,000 watt PSU and your Pentium M System only uses 110 watts then about 115-130 watts will be pulled out of the wall socket, depending one the efficiancy of the PSU. Not the full 2Kw it is rated for.
 
Originally posted by: ribbon13
Originally posted by: Googer
I live with myself by myself and I only answer to myself. So I do not have that worry. Also the fan Inside of it can be orderd as a custom option to be thermo-sensitive. So when the PSU output increases the fanspeed will increase accordingly. No load means no heat.
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Bored nitpick: No load means no point.
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My Point was less load on a switching PSU means less heat. A 300 watt PSU with a 280watt load will get hotter than a 600 watt PSU with the same load.
 
Originally posted by: Googer
My Point was less load on a switching PSU means less heat. A 300 watt PSU with a 280watt load will get hotter than a 600 watt PSU with the same load.
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Preaching to the choir my friend, but there are quite a few who should heed that. If you check out the 4 links posted by Bozo you'll see what I mean. I'm getting sick of all the people that think higher wattage PSUs automatically mean higher power bills. And with Enermax releasing a highly inefficient 1k psu, its gonna get worse.
 
Originally posted by: ribbon13
Originally posted by: Googer
My Point was less load on a switching PSU means less heat. A 300 watt PSU with a 280watt load will get hotter than a 600 watt PSU with the same load.
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Preaching to the choir my friend, but there are quite a few who should heed that. If you check out the 4 links posted by Bozo you'll see what I mean. I'm getting sick of all the people that think higher wattage PSUs automatically mean higher power bills. And with Enermax releasing a highly inefficient 1k psu, its gonna get worse.
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I know and you do not have to explain it to me. I guess that you did not understand my point and I think we are both trying to make the same statement.
 
Honestly, the argument that an uber PSU will be efficient enough to make up for a $500 pricetag is pretty far fetched IMO. As others have said, I don't see this being useful outside of servers w/ lots of hard drives and processors.
 
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