UPDATE: Virginia Reckless Driving tickets from the summer

SirStev0

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EDIT: UPDATE
I had my case. It went alright. I have to say it was scary as fuck though. I have been in court a few times (not for offenses being brought against me but for other reasons) and this was by far the worst.

I lucked out, but the judge was really dropping the hammer.

3 people before me got jail time. Two were clocked at 101 and 98 and got 60 days, a huge (I think $1500) fine, and 6 months of no license. One was at 91 and only got 30 days and a huge fine and I think 3 months suspension.

I was a few back and there were plenty of people who were on for the same offense as I had and most got no relief. I was able to get mine dropped to a traffic speeding violation and no criminal offense but I got hit with a larger fine. In the long run I think it is better.


I just hope that you Virginia'ers can some how get your laws changed... if only for your own sake. No one should go to jail, get a criminal record, or face horrendous fines for speeding. I consent that 100 mph is absurdly dangerous and stupid but is jail time necessary? Since I received the summons I have learned a lot about your laws. Considering the guy who drafted the laws in their current form runs a chain of law firms that specialize in traffic law, something stinks of corruption.


I unfortunately am going to have a hard time avoiding your state, but I promise you that I will NOT be coming back soon, even if it means adding hours on to my trip. I sure that there are some that will say good riddance to me and my quick driving and that is fine. It is your state and if you are comfortable with the laws as they are, more power to you. Thankfully WV is right next door. They have reasonable laws and a 70 mph speed limit.

Good Riddance Virginia.


EDIT Part Duex: To clear up what I imagine will be plenty of comments, I am not avoiding Virginia just to speed. I usually am not a speeder. I might go 5 to 10 mph over to ride with traffic when on interstates. I don't go out of my way to speed like a maniac.

I was traveling with traffic got stuck, tried to pass a truck (and in doing so accelerated) and ended up doing over 80. This is a criminal offense in VA.

I am not taking the risk again. In almost every other state this would have been a 150 dollar fine. Period. VA's laws are not to be triffled with and I will not be risking my future driving in a state where a little mistake like going to fast can end with a criminal record.




I know there were 3-4 different members who were ticketed this summer for Reckless Driving speeding in Virginia.

Anyone have your court date? How did it turn out? Suggestions?

My case is in a week. Just trying to get some info.







Disclaimer: I know this is going to be futile but what the hell... I'd appreciate it if this wasn't turned into a debate about speeding or a thread of "Slow the hell down" or "Speeding Laws Suck". Just want to get some info. I remember quite a few people who were hit by this law and I just want to see if they have any suggestions or updates.

In case you don't know in VA speeding over 80 mph or 20 mph over the posted limit is a class 1 misdemeanor (same as a DWI). It has a big fine and possible jail time.

I'd appreciate it if the posts were kept to information/updates and the trolling was kept to a minimum. Thanks.
 

JDub02

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I better watch out. I'm usually 80+ on I-95. I've had my share of tickets in PA, but none in VA. Good luck with it.

My brother has gotten out of a number of tickets by just asking the judge for some leniency. They normally knock it down to 5 over. He was clearly guilty in all cases.
 
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Originally posted by: Legendary
I thought they struck down the law that had the ridiculous fine?
That is something different, an additionally monetary penalty only assessed to VA residents.
Reckless driving is still 80+ or 20 over.
BE CAREFUL DRIVING IN VA

edit: and yes those outrageous 'civil remedial fees' were repealed - http://www.doa.virginia.gov/Ge...DOA/Driver_Refunds.cfm

for the OP, everyone i know that has gotten this (including my GF and roommate) brings a lawyer. pretty sure they knock off the reckless charge, still is expensive though. don't know anyone to face without representation. i too am curious how the other cases turned out.
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: Colt45
So.. 80 in a 65 is as bad as being drunk?

Who thought up that pearl?

A representative who also happens to own a group of law firms specializing in traffic law. I wish I was making this up.
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: Legendary
I thought they struck down the law that had the ridiculous fine?
That is something different, an additionally monetary penalty only assessed to VA residents.
Reckless driving is still 80+ or 20 over.
BE CAREFUL DRIVING IN VA

edit: and yes those outrageous 'civil remedial fees' were repealed - http://www.doa.virginia.gov/Ge...DOA/Driver_Refunds.cfm

for the OP, everyone i know that has gotten this (including my GF and roommate) brings a lawyer. pretty sure they knock off the reckless charge, still is expensive though. don't know anyone to face without representation. i too am curious how the other cases turned out.

Do you know what the basis was for getting it knocked off? Presonally, I don't know how I am going to pay to drive there to fight the case, yet alone pay for a lawyer. I am calling two today, but I know they are just going to bs me until I hire them.
 

BurnItDwn

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I have no useful info, but I wish you luck. Most people drive between 80 and 90 on the tollways around here (except during "rush hour" which is between 6am and 10am, and then again between 3pm and 8pm, and not in road construction or snow.) The speed limits are "officially" posted at 55 or 65 here. I don't think the cops really notice until you hit triple digits here.
 
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Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: Legendary
I thought they struck down the law that had the ridiculous fine?
That is something different, an additionally monetary penalty only assessed to VA residents.
Reckless driving is still 80+ or 20 over.
BE CAREFUL DRIVING IN VA

edit: and yes those outrageous 'civil remedial fees' were repealed - http://www.doa.virginia.gov/Ge...DOA/Driver_Refunds.cfm

for the OP, everyone i know that has gotten this (including my GF and roommate) brings a lawyer. pretty sure they knock off the reckless charge, still is expensive though. don't know anyone to face without representation. i too am curious how the other cases turned out.

Do you know what the basis was for getting it knocked off? Presonally, I don't know how I am going to pay to drive there to fight the case, yet alone pay for a lawyer. I am calling two today, but I know they are just going to bs me until I hire them.
no, i dont know the details. what it sounds like to me is just a bunch of 'professional courtesy', but i havent gone through it personally so i can't say for certain
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: Legendary
I thought they struck down the law that had the ridiculous fine?
That is something different, an additionally monetary penalty only assessed to VA residents.
Reckless driving is still 80+ or 20 over.
BE CAREFUL DRIVING IN VA

edit: and yes those outrageous 'civil remedial fees' were repealed - http://www.doa.virginia.gov/Ge...DOA/Driver_Refunds.cfm

for the OP, everyone i know that has gotten this (including my GF and roommate) brings a lawyer. pretty sure they knock off the reckless charge, still is expensive though. don't know anyone to face without representation. i too am curious how the other cases turned out.

Do you know what the basis was for getting it knocked off? Presonally, I don't know how I am going to pay to drive there to fight the case, yet alone pay for a lawyer. I am calling two today, but I know they are just going to bs me until I hire them.
no, i dont know the details. what it sounds like to me is just a bunch of 'professional courtesy', but i havent gone through it personally so i can't say for certain

I have gotten the same feeling... Like this is all a racket to give job security for traffic lawyers.
 

kstu

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I got a ticket for 80+ back in March. Debated hiring a lawyer, but ended up going it alone for court in April. Judge asked how I pleaded, and I responded that I wasn't sure and was worried that if I said guilty that I would automatically be charged with the reckless offense and just wanted a chance to speak my piece. He said go ahead, and I just said something to the effect of "I messed up and got caught. I have a clean driving record and I have slowed down considerably since then and I'm asking you to show some leniency in your decision." He ended up charging me with Improper Driving (3 pts and a little over $200 in fines/court costs). As it turns out I pleaded no contest. I think it turned out exactly how it would have had I hired a lawyer, but I ended up saving $500 or so.

Let me know if you want to know anything else.
 

Linflas

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Once again to clear up all the FUD this has been the law in Virginia since I began driving here eons ago at age 16. The first ticket I ever received was for doing 80 in a 65 and it was charged as a simple speeding violation. To add on the reckless driving charge is always at the discretion of the cop, it is entirely possible for them to write you a ticket for speeding in excess of 20MPH over and not give you the reckless driving charge. You get caught doing 46 in a 25 in a residential area during the day when people are out and about the cop may very well write it as reckless, get caught at 2AM for the same violation he will likely just write you a standard speeding ticket.
 

shortylickens

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I am moving back to Virgina very soon and I fully intend to keep my shit together. Hopefully I have no stories to tell you.
 

Gibson486

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61 in a 35, I think...even though I was actually going 50 and slowing.....but we will see what will happen.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: Colt45
So.. 80 in a 65 is as bad as being drunk?

Who thought up that pearl?

the same asshole who thought cautiously slow rolling at 1mph through a stopsign on a deserted road at 5 in the morning is the same as blowing completely through it with no disregard and is the same $180 fine
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: kstu
I got a ticket for 80+ back in March. Debated hiring a lawyer, but ended up going it alone for court in April. Judge asked how I pleaded, and I responded that I wasn't sure and was worried that if I said guilty that I would automatically be charged with the reckless offense and just wanted a chance to speak my piece. He said go ahead, and I just said something to the effect of "I messed up and got caught. I have a clean driving record and I have slowed down considerably since then and I'm asking you to show some leniency in your decision." He ended up charging me with Improper Driving (3 pts and a little over $200 in fines/court costs). As it turns out I pleaded no contest. I think it turned out exactly how it would have had I hired a lawyer, but I ended up saving $500 or so.

Let me know if you want to know anything else.

Thanks for the info. How clean is your record if you don't mind saying? Mine is pretty clean but I had some screw ups. Did you bring a record of yours with you?

And most importantly were you an out of state driver? Do you think it played a role?


Could you PM if that is more appropriate?
 

kstu

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Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: kstu
I got a ticket for 80+ back in March. Debated hiring a lawyer, but ended up going it alone for court in April. Judge asked how I pleaded, and I responded that I wasn't sure and was worried that if I said guilty that I would automatically be charged with the reckless offense and just wanted a chance to speak my piece. He said go ahead, and I just said something to the effect of "I messed up and got caught. I have a clean driving record and I have slowed down considerably since then and I'm asking you to show some leniency in your decision." He ended up charging me with Improper Driving (3 pts and a little over $200 in fines/court costs). As it turns out I pleaded no contest. I think it turned out exactly how it would have had I hired a lawyer, but I ended up saving $500 or so.

Let me know if you want to know anything else.
Thanks for the info. How clean is your record if you don't mind saying? Mine is pretty clean but I had some screw ups. Did you bring a record of yours with you?

And most importantly were you an out of state driver? Do you think it played a role?

Could you PM if that is more appropriate?
I don't mind sharing. I had gotten a previous improper driving about 4.5 years earlier (on my college campus, it was bullshit, but whatever) that I think was wiped out after I completed some driver improvement class, but that's it. I didn't bring anything with me at all. I might have said something like "pretty clean record", I'm not exactly sure, but it's not like he requested a copy of my record or anything.

I'm in-state and I was busted on I-81 a little north of Harrisonburg. I'm not sure where you got your ticket, but things may or may not be different on the I-95 corridor, so that's another thing to consider. I have no idea if in-state vs. out-of-state affects the decision.

There were some others in there for the same offense and it seemed like he was reducing the charge on most of them. I'd say if you don't have another reckless on your record, your chances of getting it reduced are decent.
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: kstu
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: kstu
I got a ticket for 80+ back in March. Debated hiring a lawyer, but ended up going it alone for court in April. Judge asked how I pleaded, and I responded that I wasn't sure and was worried that if I said guilty that I would automatically be charged with the reckless offense and just wanted a chance to speak my piece. He said go ahead, and I just said something to the effect of "I messed up and got caught. I have a clean driving record and I have slowed down considerably since then and I'm asking you to show some leniency in your decision." He ended up charging me with Improper Driving (3 pts and a little over $200 in fines/court costs). As it turns out I pleaded no contest. I think it turned out exactly how it would have had I hired a lawyer, but I ended up saving $500 or so.

Let me know if you want to know anything else.
Thanks for the info. How clean is your record if you don't mind saying? Mine is pretty clean but I had some screw ups. Did you bring a record of yours with you?

And most importantly were you an out of state driver? Do you think it played a role?

Could you PM if that is more appropriate?
I don't mind sharing. I had gotten a previous improper driving about 4.5 years earlier (on my college campus, it was bullshit, but whatever) that I think was wiped out after I completed some driver improvement class, but that's it. I didn't bring anything with me at all. I might have said something like "pretty clean record", I'm not exactly sure, but it's not like he requested a copy of my record or anything.

I'm in-state and I was busted on I-81 a little north of Harrisonburg. I'm not sure where you got your ticket, but things may or may not be different on the I-95 corridor, so that's another thing to consider. I have no idea if in-state vs. out-of-state affects the decision.

There were some others in there for the same offense and it seemed like he was reducing the charge on most of them. I'd say if you don't have another reckless on your record, your chances of getting it reduced are decent.

No reckless, just speeding. And I was on I-81 in southern Virginia.
 

ScottyB

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Originally posted by: SirStev0

I unfortunately am going to have a hard time avoiding your state, but I promise you that I will NOT be coming back soon, even if it means adding hours on to my trip. I sure that there are some that will say good riddance to me and my quick driving and that is fine. It is your state and if you are comfortable with the laws as they are, more power to you. Thankfully WV is right next door. They have reasonable laws and a 70 mph speed limit.

Good Riddance Virginia.

You know you don't have to avoid Virginia to not get a speeding ticket. You merely have to DRIVE THE GOD DAMNED MOTHER FUCKING SPEED LIMIT!!!
 

mugs

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You're going to drive around Virginia out of spite? To what end? They don't care if you don't drive there.