Update: Retail 165 CCBWE 0534 MPMW...working on results

[nealh]

I finally could no longer hold out..so I bit the bullet and bought an opteron 165...retail box..it was ordered on Friday..fedex got shipping info at 200 am today(LOL) and they are shipping fedex 2 day as opposed to fedex ground I odered..not sure why..but it makes up for slower warehouse processing vs newegg


I was hoping to get 2.7ghz but it appears unlikely as I never buy a cpu and get good one..unless I buy it from someone else first...

So I hope to hit 2.5ghz...revised my expectations


Well as usual my luck Monarch after I eceive my chips lowers price on the 170 oem..wonder if I could get 2750 on it..to keep my ram at same speed as with my Venice


OK: early results on 165 CCBWE 0534 MPMW
I am using a SI 120 with Nexus fan..pulling air off HSF..in P180 with rear fan as exhaust, top fan as intake, front fan as intake and a 120mm fan blowing on chipset and HDD(fans are CM 120 and YL fan for quiet operation)

adding the SI120/Nexus fan which has a rating of 22dba @36cfm is slightly louder by rating than XP90/vantec stealth on my venice....seems to have created some turbulent noise I do not recall..ugh...


165@2400 1.35v bios/1.33xp...my cpu supposed default vcore is 1.35v..4hrs prime 95 stable..when stopped testing
165@2500 cant recall bios/1.392v xp 7hrs prime 95 stable when I stopped it
165@2610 1.46v/1.44v xp...12hrs 52min when halted Prime 95 stable..46/48C load..PWMIC 55/56C
165@2700 1.51/1.49v in xp....not prime 95 stable....temps getting higher 48/51C PWMIC was hitting 60C!!!!

I maybe able to 2700 but I will need probably 1.53v in bios....not sure worth it

 

[davegraham]

i got 4 x 165 boxes and all of them were CCBWE 0546SPMWs. i'm getting a few trays in the next 2 weeks so, i don't know what i'll end up with.

dave

 

[nealh]

thanks dave

 

[mosquiton]

:thumbsup:

I actually got faster shipping by a few min from Monarch this time. All is due today or tomorrow.
I plan to lower the cpu multiplier and burn in the motherboard at HTT300 then raise the cpu up to 8 for 8x300~2.4ghz.
With this, you get a 2/3 memory divider and memory stays right on the mark.
It's a Biostar t6100, so, we'll see if it can really do a stable 300 HTT. If not, i'll play around with it and use other dividers.

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

My friend just got his today from Monarch and showed it to me. He has CCBWE from week 0536.

 

[nealh]

crap..I heard that stepping sucks...it figures my luck just sucks

 

[nealh]

Looks like I need ot retract that statement....

I googled and got this link on several Opteron 165..hitting 2.6-2.7

http://mitglied.lycos.de/xxmartin99/

strange that they had that stepping since it is older and they were out until a few days ago...I had expected a stepping like 0541, 0546..posts seem to show 0536 like several weeks ago

well what do I do buy a 170 and hope for a better chip or keep the 165

 

[Skott]

If you can get 2.7 out of it I dont see how you can say its a sucky proc. Even 2.6 is a decent OC. How much did you pay for it?

 

[nealh]

I would love 2700....not my chips..link to what others have gotten....

 

[Yianaki]

I was happy/lucky? to get a 165 on the 5th of Dec. I also bought a ASRock 939 dual sata-2 that I loaded up with the OCWForum OC Bios. I am not as happy now. It only overclocks to 2.36 2 Prime95s with affinity to each processor. I also run winamp with a full screen visulization to really get the temps up. Idles at 35C and It gets around 51.7c as far as speed fan says then has errros and stops prime95. This usually only happens on the first processor as winamp isn't dual threaded and I don't really feel like running 2 ver of winamp with two proc affinity. The second cpu without winamp vis running only gets to about 48c.

Secondly there are some big freakin bugs with NVIDIA dirvers after 7xxx ver with dual core tech. Prince of persia warrior within BSOD's with a nvidia driver fault and Madden too. And I really don't see any big speed increase over my P4 2.4ghz system so I am not such a happy camper for the $$$ I spent.

I am using stock AMD OPTERON cooling with a thin layer of arctic silver (after I removed AMD thermal gunk). I bought a well reviewed and LOUD Thermaltake Heatsink fan to replace the stock P4 fan that let me OC from 2.0 to 2.4 previously. But with the thermaltake heatsy/fan I couldn't overclock any more at all. The temp on load was still at 49c and then crashed prime 95.

Do you think that I have reached the limit of my processor or that if I get yet another new heatsink fan to replace the amd opteron copper heatpipe retail one (which looks to me to be really really nice) I might get a higher oc??

 

[lopri]

Dunno.. I hear more and more about this dual-core Opteron not clocking very well.. I've been so incline to get one (still are), but now I'm seriously considering an alternative - X2 3800+

 

[nealh]

Originally posted by: Yianaki
I was happy/lucky? to get a 165 on the 5th of Dec. I also bought a ASRock 939 dual sata-2 that I loaded up with the OCWForum OC Bios. I am not as happy now. It only overclocks to 2.36 2 Prime95s with affinity to each processor.

you need to give alot more info on the oc..vcore, mobo, ram, psu...etc

I should note the above link shows the ccwbe 0536 at 2.6-2.7...I will be very happy with that

 

[mosquiton]

See my post above. Even CRAP memory should work with my post.
2.36 is great, on a 1.8 processor. Understand, the 4800+ IS a 2.4 $775 processor.
C'mon.
Otherwise, yeah, if you are doing that on the 'ok' (it's not crap but) retail fan, then, the Zalman design should help some. The Bonded pure copper base w/ star fin design is the best. Took creativity but from day one it has been obvious that basically ONLY Watercooling is going to beat them.
Get it local fast.. http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=318835&pfp=SEARCH

Otherwise, like I suggested, lower the clock multiplier, like to 6, and try the mobo at 300HT and see if it will be stable at 300. Burnin at 300 for a couple of days, and crank back up to 7, then 8. 8 is 2400... 9 is 2700. I'm actually happy with 266x9 yielding a stable 2400. This allows me to use the 4/5 and a slight memory OC of 212.5. But, i'm working on the MOBO burn in for a few days to see if it will bring up HT.

 

[Yianaki]

Originally posted by: mosquiton
See my post above. Even CRAP memory should work with my post.
2.36 is great, on a 1.8 processor. Understand, the 4800+ IS a 2.4 $775 processor.
C'mon.

Yeah I realize that but all I hear is people getting at least 2.4 and I am jealous, I was kinda expecting 2.4 minimum so if I got that I would be happy.... I have a ASRock 939 dual sata-2 the max voltage is 1.4 for this board. I know there is an easy to do volt mod for the X2 but I just don't want to mess with it. The reason I got this board is that it has both an agp and pcie slot, with no huge performance penalty for either slot as opposed to most dual slot solutions. As I have a AGP 6800 I am happy with, I bought this board even though it isn't the best OC board. I run the system at 2.36 and it stays around 48c with 2 prime 95's and winamp visulizations to get the temps up. However if I move the fsb to 263 ~ 2.37Ghz and bam temps shoot up to 51.5C under load on processor 1. Is it possible/probable that I have reached the limit of my CPU. Are you saying that if I increase the voltage it will probably overclock more??? Doesn't my processor have a heat problem? I mean how does someone know that the limiting factor is that the voltage isn't high enough??? How in gods name do you decrease the multiplier. When I change it on my motherboard it does nothing. I though only FX series allows you to lower the multiplier??? I have bought a highly rated loud Heatsync before for a Northwood hoping to increase my oc from the retail fan. But even though in anads? shootout it lowered temps on the cpu, Mine still wouldn't overclock any higher, even though I slowly upgraded the motherboad, heatsink, and ram... In all probability I have met the top speed for my cpu, right? Or do you think something will make it hit that magic 2.4 mark?

Well my speci are:
Opteron 165 bought 12/5/05 262bus speed. 9multiplier
ASRock 939 dual sata-2
Kingmax 400mhz ddr 2.5 5 5 6 2T
Nvidia 6800
Seagate 200gig ATA

The MB timings other than the processor are set to auto.

 

[nealh]

I think the issue is your vcore and possible memory timings and speed

are you using a memory divider...what speed is the memory running at?

many overclocks may need 1.45v-1.5v to hit higher speeds not all opteron will do 2.4 st low voltage and no I think you temps look good

Also you can not easily compare temps becasue of different cases and locations

I live in FL and my room temps stay warmer than many...my home office is on an outer room..3 walls to the outside so it stays warmer than other areas of my house for example

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: nealh
I would love 2700....not my chips..link to what others have gotten....

Anything over 2500mhz is a bargin in reality.

 

[nealh]

I agree..I have changed my initially hopes of 2.7..that was probalby not fair for these chips

many have gotten 2.6-2.8 but as things go it is always YMMV..and my luck sucks...

I hope to hit 2.5ghz stable and a reasonable vcore...if I get more great, if not fine

 

[pctwo]

Originally posted by: mosquiton
See my post above. Even CRAP memory should work with my post.
2.36 is great, on a 1.8 processor. Understand, the 4800+ IS a 2.4 $775 processor.
C'mon.

Sorry for the noob question, but if you have an Opteron 165 and you manage to get it to 2.4 stable, which seems doable for many, do you REALLY REALLY have a chip that performs as well on benchmarks and real apps as a X2 4800+?

 

[peleejosh]

an overclocked opteron (clocked to 2.4) will preform better than a stock 4800+ because of the higher HTT.

 

[Yianaki]

Originally posted by: nealh
I think the issue is your vcore and possible memory timings and speed

are you using a memory divider...what speed is the memory running at?

many overclocks may need 1.45v-1.5v to hit higher speeds not all opteron will do 2.4 st low voltage and no I think you temps look good

Also you can not easily compare temps becasue of different cases and locations

Yeah it is using a mem divider memory is operating at 214.36mhz Memory Bus 2.5-4-4-8 2T. If I use the mem divider to lower the memory down to 100mhz it doesn't help my overclocking at all, not even 1mhz. I guess I might get a newer MB as I don't want to really fool around with my processor with the vcore mods, wich totally defeats the purpose of me saving money by getting this board for easy pcie upgrading. But I mean the temps are from the on die temperature readings so they should be comperable no matter where you live. A hot die temp is a hot die temp in anchorage or calcutta. I mean every high overclock that they posted pics when they ran it at like 3.4 was at like 29C under load which I couldn't believe. And when they got to 3.66 or whatever the max would be like 50C just whereabouts mine maxes out at 3.36.

Will higher processor voltages LOWER my temps and increase my oc? That doesn't make sense to me as more voltage = more heat, and I don't think these chips operate at over 50C too well. The board ususally sets the voltage at 1.375 if I raise the voltage on the board to 1.4 it won't even give me a 1mhz FSB increase. I mean if it is then there isn't any reason to bother as the problem is heat not that your cpu isn't getting enough voltage to overclock to a high FSB?

 

[nealh]

the temps are not as accurate as you believe..not all mobo report correct..ie my IT 7 Max2 rev2 reports temps 8-10C too high ...known issue

unfortunately your temps are not going to be the same as some else..it is dependent on your system, case, cooling and ambient temps....

the Kingston ram may not be happy at 214 mhz with those timing..try loosening the timings to 3-3-3-2t .....

you probably need more vcore...that is just the way it is ...I bought a 3200 venice from an ATer on his DFI SLI DR he hit 2800 prime 95 18hrs stable at the same vcore as me but best I can do stable is 2750...my components are slightly different so things can and will be different

if you want more you are going to have to work a bit for it...period

OCing is not a guarantee and take alot of work....

 

[nealh]

well..I got a 165 CCBWE 0534 MPMW

I can find very little on this chip..as usual seems my luck is pure crap....no results to get any ideas and older chip than 0536 from someone else...so if these were so scarce all purchased why are these older steppings getting shipped.....

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: nealh
well..I got a 165 CCBWE 0534 MPMW

I can find very little on this chip..as usual seems my luck is pure crap....no results to get any ideas and older chip than 0536 from someone else...so if these were so scarce all purchased why are these older steppings getting shipped.....

same sort of stepping as mine except i had CCBWE 0534SPMW

this is the thread that i created on the experiences i had

 

[nealh]

Rich..I saw one person at xtremesystems who got 3 of these 0534 MPMW..hit 2.62,2.66,2.72 all @1.52v

I would be happy getting those speeds....but as we all know that SPMW canmake a big difference

just not sure if I should get an oem 170 instead and sell this unopened or give it a whirl....

I have a SI 120 due in tomorrow.....

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: nealh
Rich..I saw one person at xtremesystems who got 3 of these 0534 MPMW..hit 2.62,2.66,2.72 all @1.52v

I would be happy getting those speeds....but as we all know that SPMW canmake a big difference

just not sure if I should get an oem 170 instead and sell this unopened or give it a whirl....

I have a SI 120 due in tomorrow.....

My SPMW is hitting the same results as that, and to be fair i think the week batch fairs more into the potential yield of the processor than the last 4 letters. For example the CABYE 0540 FPAW, FPBW, or FPMW are all hitting the same sort of clocks of around 3Ghz, now the only variable is the last four letters.

I would be inclined to say just try out your chip you have now as you already have some data to go by. I tried to chase a higher clock and ended purchasing a 175 CCBWE 0536XPMW, whereas I was hoping for CCBWE 0530TPMW, and this was awful it wouldn?t boot at 2.8 with max volts, and 2.6 required the same voltage but outputted a higher temperate like 6 more degrees, and at 2.7 it mutated into a pentium D with regards to temps :shocked:.

I would say between 2.6 and 2.7Ghz is excellent, since you have 2 x 1Mb L2 cache as well. Not to mention what you are getting for the price, that is equivalent to a stock FX60 which has not even been released yet.

However it could be tempting to purchase the 170 also and check out the stepping then if it is poorly documented on the net then send it back, if not then sell the 165. But then again your are just chasing about ~100Mhz which I realised to be silly in the end. Its a tough decision i think i made the wrong one purchasing the 175, as i gained nothing.

Also having that running on the SI 120 would be sweet, I am currently using the xp90, and anything over 1.45 volts starts to test my HSF setup big time, my previous Winchester was a ice cube compared to this.