UPDATE: POLL: Which would you rather have for home defense?

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: JEDI
whats a 10 gauge autoloader?

AFAIK, autoloader and semiautomatic are used interchangably with shotguns

http://www.impactguns.com/store/rem_sp10.html

so it's the pump action that's called autoloader?

then the 12 gauge Remington Model 870 isnt autoloading? (ie: no pump)? it's just a double barrelled shotgun?

 

[StrangerGuy]

MG42.

 

[Doboji]

I can scream "help" really really loud.

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

i wanna get a pintball gun and a bunch of capsules of pepper spray stuff

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: JEDI
whats a 10 gauge autoloader?

AFAIK, autoloader and semiautomatic are used interchangably with shotguns

http://www.impactguns.com/store/rem_sp10.html

so it's the pump action that's called autoloader?

then the 12 gauge Remington Model 870 isnt autoloading? (ie: no pump)? it's just a double barrelled shotgun?

pump != double barrel.

Action types for shotguns:
Bolt (with or without magazines)
Break-neck
Semi-auto (autoloader)
Pump <<<----- Remington 870
Over and Under
Side by Side
Automatic (street sweeper)

 

[CellarDoor]

Bullmastiff FTW!

 

[JEDI]

"Semi-auto (autoloader)
Pump <<<----- Remington 870 "

woah, you can fire a shotgun like it was a glock? no pump action needed and the shells arent in a cylinder (like tommy gun)?

how does the mechanics work?

 

[2Xtreme21]

There's just somethin about asking for gun advice on a forum full of people who play FPS's like its their job that screams bad idea.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BoomerD
For home defense, IMO, a shotgut is far better than a handgun. Most people, in the heat of the moment, get nervous or scared, and their aim goes to crap. The aim with a shotgun doesn't need to be QUITE as accurate as a handgun, because it cuts a wider swath. Not that it isa good excuse for being inaccurate, but it is realistic.

How big is your home and how far away do you think you'll be firing from?

I ask because the pattern of buckshot in the average home would be no wider than a couple inches (2-3 inches at 20 feet or so with an 18 inch barrel). This does little to nothing to improve aim. At 10 feet or so, the average distance in a home defense situation, the pattern is 2 inches or less.

It's a huge myth that buckshot starts to spread by any appreciable amount at any distance one would be aiming in a home/self defense situation.

In short, a shotgun will not improve your chances of hitting your target at short range. The shot just does not have enough distancen to spread out.

No one buys a shotgun for home defense because of the spread, they buy it so they don't shoot through their walls/doors and kill their kids/wife. Now if this guy lives alone thats fine as long as you aren't in an apartment but in an apartment or house with other people an AK bullet is WAY too powerful, so is a .45 in my opinion. Even if the buckshot could go through a wall it is not likely it would be going fast enough on the other side to kill someone.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: JEDI
"Semi-auto (autoloader)
Pump <<<----- Remington 870 "

woah, you can fire a shotgun like it was a glock? no pump action needed and the shells arent in a cylinder (like tommy gun)?

how does the mechanics work?

tommy guns are automatic. When you pull the trigger in an automatic, there's nothing to lock the bolt after each firing so it keeps firing so long as the trigger is depressed. Semiautomatic is one shot, one round fired. When you pull the trigger again, another round will already be chambered. It's the same concept as in a semiautomatic handgun, but without the slide... I don't know how else to explain it. The rounds still go into a tube... just some of the energy from the recoil and the firing is used to eject the spent shell and a new shell is chambered.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: JEDI
"Semi-auto (autoloader)
Pump <<<----- Remington 870 "

woah, you can fire a shotgun like it was a glock? no pump action needed and the shells arent in a cylinder (like tommy gun)?

how does the mechanics work?

tommy guns are automatic. When you pull the trigger in an automatic, there's nothing to lock the bolt after each firing so it keeps firing so long as the trigger is depressed. Semiautomatic is one shot, one round fired. When you pull the trigger again, another round will already be chambered. It's the same concept as in a semiautomatic handgun, but without the slide... I don't know how else to explain it. The rounds still go into a tube... just some of the energy from the recoil and the firing is used to eject the spent shell and a new shell is chambered.

cool!

but why would anyone want that for a shotgun for home defense?

the BIGGEST deterrent to a thief (ie: make him sh1t in his pants) is hearing you PUMP that shotgun as you're coming down the stairs

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: JEDI
"Semi-auto (autoloader)
Pump <<<----- Remington 870 "

woah, you can fire a shotgun like it was a glock? no pump action needed and the shells arent in a cylinder (like tommy gun)?

how does the mechanics work?

tommy guns are automatic. When you pull the trigger in an automatic, there's nothing to lock the bolt after each firing so it keeps firing so long as the trigger is depressed. Semiautomatic is one shot, one round fired. When you pull the trigger again, another round will already be chambered. It's the same concept as in a semiautomatic handgun, but without the slide... I don't know how else to explain it. The rounds still go into a tube... just some of the energy from the recoil and the firing is used to eject the spent shell and a new shell is chambered.

cool!

but why would anyone want that for a shotgun for home defense?

the BIGGEST deterrent to a thief (ie: make him sh1t in his pants) is hearing you PUMP that shotgun as you're coming down the stairs

Semi automatic shotguns have a button you push and the bolt closes itself... it sounds almost the same as a shotgun getting pumped.

 

[JonTheBaller]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: JEDI
"Semi-auto (autoloader)
Pump <<<----- Remington 870 "

woah, you can fire a shotgun like it was a glock? no pump action needed and the shells arent in a cylinder (like tommy gun)?

how does the mechanics work?

tommy guns are automatic. When you pull the trigger in an automatic, there's nothing to lock the bolt after each firing so it keeps firing so long as the trigger is depressed. Semiautomatic is one shot, one round fired. When you pull the trigger again, another round will already be chambered. It's the same concept as in a semiautomatic handgun, but without the slide... I don't know how else to explain it. The rounds still go into a tube... just some of the energy from the recoil and the firing is used to eject the spent shell and a new shell is chambered.

cool!

but why would anyone want that for a shotgun for home defense?

the BIGGEST deterrent to a thief (ie: make him sh1t in his pants) is hearing you PUMP that shotgun as you're coming down the stairs

Yeah, or the thief will shoot me as I'm walking down the stairs loading a shotgun round to "scare" him. My guns are for killin', not scarin'. That's why I have my AR-15 cocked and locked with a 30round mag at all times.