the two sellers i got money back from simply denied the payment so fees were never charged. I have recovered roughly 1700 of 10,200.
the two sellers i got money back from simply denied the payment so fees were never charged. I have recovered roughly 1700 of 10,200.
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Lifer
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That totally sucks. It's a good thing it happened to you and not me. I'd be sitting in the local sheriff's office charged with aggravated assault and crimes against nature with a baseball bat and an Ahole....
Contact the local media, here we have something called 5 on your side, where a local news station will assist by getting your story on the air.
Well, the response from Paypal looks pretty promising:
It may take some time for them to 'complete the investigation', I'm sure that your contacting the state's Attorney General and news agencies will accelerate the decision. Be sure to copy PayPal on any correspondence you send to the police or news.
ThePresence
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Maybe the Secret Service can help you. I'm pretty sure they deal with internet fraud. My mom works at a College Library and someone was using the computers to hack local banks. They wired in excess of a Million Dollars I believe to offshore accounts. She said the Secret Service came, asked a bunch of questions and took a computer. You might have mixed luck since the cash value different but its worth a shot...
From Russia with Love I guess.
I'd go postal if I lost 8k, as 8k = one years income part time work.
I'd go postal if I lost 8k, as 8k = one years income part time work.
I hope everything worked out for you.
But what happens to the innocent sellers in a case like this? Since Paypal stopped the payment, they get nothing to reimburse them for the merchendise they shipped. Would the seller just have to get screwed over like this? It looks like Ebay's non-paying bidder forms are designed only to reimburse the seller for the small fees Ebay charge for selling the items, not for the total price since the item shouldn't have shipped if the seller didn't receive payment. I don't see any provisions for something like this in Paypal's policy either. Are the sellers just out of luck unless the police find the stolen goods?
But what happens to the innocent sellers in a case like this? Since Paypal stopped the payment, they get nothing to reimburse them for the merchendise they shipped. Would the seller just have to get screwed over like this? It looks like Ebay's non-paying bidder forms are designed only to reimburse the seller for the small fees Ebay charge for selling the items, not for the total price since the item shouldn't have shipped if the seller didn't receive payment. I don't see any provisions for something like this in Paypal's policy either. Are the sellers just out of luck unless the police find the stolen goods?
Paypal makes it clear that sellers are only covered by fraud protection if they receive the funds from a confirmed address. If they don't follow this rule, then it's just too bad for them if something fraudulent turns out.
However, the sellers do lose on the ebay listing fees; ebay doesn't give any damn if fraud is going on, in fact they support it because it brings more $$$ to them.
However, the sellers do lose on the ebay listing fees; ebay doesn't give any damn if fraud is going on, in fact they support it because it brings more $$$ to them.
Hi vegetation,
You are correct when you state that SPP must be followed on the seller's end to prevent a reversal. It is very important that sellers follow SPP whenever possible (I can actually explain the reasoning very clearly...a confirmed address is the billing address for the credit card. Why would a fraudster send something to the user's billing address?)
Items to consider when accepting payments:
a) value of the item
b) is the item being sent to a confirmed address
c) is the buyer asking for overnight shipping to a country we do not support
I also want PayPal users to be somewhat wary of emails sent to them. Recent scam attempts have asked users to "update" their information because our database has lost their information,etc. This has not happened.
You are correct when you state that SPP must be followed on the seller's end to prevent a reversal. It is very important that sellers follow SPP whenever possible (I can actually explain the reasoning very clearly...a confirmed address is the billing address for the credit card. Why would a fraudster send something to the user's billing address?)
Items to consider when accepting payments:
a) value of the item
b) is the item being sent to a confirmed address
c) is the buyer asking for overnight shipping to a country we do not support
I also want PayPal users to be somewhat wary of emails sent to them. Recent scam attempts have asked users to "update" their information because our database has lost their information,etc. This has not happened.
last time i talked to my little bro (lucky) he said he had been refunded most all of the money. needless to say, we are not using paypal anymore.
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