update: Kent Hovind sentenced to 10 years for tax evasion

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Just in case people are interested, the leading Creation organizations (Answers in Genesis, Institute for Creation Ministry, and Creation Ministries International) have denounced a lot of what Kent Hovind says for many years.

He is definitely not the spokesperson for Creation, and his actions for many years have upset serious scientists who believe in Creation.

you do realize, of course, that there is no such thing?

Unfortunately there are. They are few and far between, but they are out there.

No...their serious about their beliefs, but they aren't serious scientists. You won't find a biologist or antrhopologist in the creation flock. Those that support it tend to be phycisists, astronomers, and uh...cosmologists....which i imagine to be one step away from astrology. While they may have a good grasp on their field, evolution is not part of it; and they have, at best, a spotty understanding of the theory.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

He was just sentenced to 10 years.

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Just in case people are interested, the leading Creation organizations (Answers in Genesis, Institute for Creation Ministry, and Creation Ministries International) have denounced a lot of what Kent Hovind says for many years.

He is definitely not the spokesperson for Creation, and his actions for many years have upset serious scientists who believe in Creation.

you do realize, of course, that there is no such thing?

"Such statements are often heard from evolutionists when confronted with creationist objections against their theory. It is a classic ad hominem argument?in other words, attack the person in lieu of refuting his argument. But besides that, it is simply false."

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/0818icc_update.asp

Are there scientists alive today who accept the biblical account of creation?

* Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
* Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
* Dr. James Allan, Geneticist
* Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
* Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist
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Full list here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/default.asp

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Steven Austin appears to be legit. E. Theo Agard and Paul Ackerman do not have credentials in a field relating to evolutionary science. James Allan and S.E. Aw may, but it is not clear.

 

[Slackware]

He SHOULD have been sentenced to life for "truth evasion", now i know that doesn't ring right with poofjohnny there so how about false advertising with intent to cause public ignorance?

Hovind has been quoted over and over and over in so many creationist threads, he got his degree at a degreemill (prof---john... hummm, same mill?) there is not one thing about what he says that has EVER been scientifically tested, not ONE thing (well except for the things that he says are untrue, that is his word, that is his entire argument against all the evidence, they are "untrue").

 

[Slackware]

Originally posted by: daveymark
sadly, many athiest wackos will lump this zealot in with all christians

Many, many more will just assume that if you proclaim that you are christian you belive in the literal truth of the bible and yeah, then you are with this guy because there is no other explanation for dinosaurs, for reference, check out seekermeister a "moderate" christian.

Either that or you don't belive the bible is the word of god, just the new testament and the parts you like to pick and choose from the old one.

You really think that gods words were meant to be interpreted?

 

[Slackware]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Just in case people are interested, the leading Creation organizations (Answers in Genesis, Institute for Creation Ministry, and Creation Ministries International) have denounced a lot of what Kent Hovind says for many years.

He is definitely not the spokesperson for Creation, and his actions for many years have upset serious scientists who believe in Creation.

I got a big kick out of the guy who studied the bible and then came up with the exact date the earth was created: nightfall preceding 23 October, 4004 BC

I should note that while the guys idea was crazy, at the time it was a ground breaking study and required IMENSE work and study. Beyond just reading the bible he also studied other texts and history books so as to line up events in the bible with ?real world? event that took place at the same time.

Yeah well, i read ONLY little red riding hood and i came up with the number 15 billion, sometimes reading fairy tales really do help you understand stuff.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fern
Eric Rudolph is an atheist, not a christian. CNN did a story on it a while back.

In letters to his mother he describes christians pretty much the way most of you do.

Fern

That's not the way the story was covered, but he certainly killed in the name of the same anti-gay and anti-choice agenda. It doesn't make it any more right, or any more sane, regardless of his choice of labels.

harvey you can`t lump them all together and say because he was anti gay and anti choice therefore he must be some looney christian...your beginning to soumd as delusional in your thoughts as Lemon law sounds...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why is this a thread? The guy broke the law, he got caught, and he is going to jail.
What makes this worth talking about? The fact that he is some religious wacko?

The anti-Christian anti-religion bias on P&N is unbelievable, especially recently. It seems we have a new anti-religion thread every few days around here.

Yes, there are lots of crazy Christians running around out there, but when is the last time a Christian strapped a bomb around their chest and blew up a bus in the name of god?
But if I post a thread about the threat radical Islam posses to the west I get attacked endlessly. But I can post all the anti-Christian threads in the world and no one seems to care. Sad.

I half-way agree with you here, John. The anti-religion bias has gotten silly.
however, before you absolve Christians of endangering the lives of the innocent, perhaps you should consider the pro-life zealots that bomb abortion clinics in the name of Jesus.

Just because somebody does something in the name of Christianity does not mean that they represent all the Christians as a whole...sorry again dude you and lemon law must be cousins..

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: daveymark
sadly, many athiest wackos will lump this zealot in with all christians

Many, many more will just assume that if you proclaim that you are christian you belive in the literal truth of the bible and yeah, then you are with this guy because there is no other explanation for dinosaurs, for reference, check out seekermeister a "moderate" christian.

Either that or you don't belive the bible is the word of god, just the new testament and the parts you like to pick and choose from the old one.

You really think that gods words were meant to be interpreted?

actually slackware there is room in the Christianity for the Dinosaurs and such...you need to do some reading before misrepresenting the facts...

 

[Slackware]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: daveymark
sadly, many athiest wackos will lump this zealot in with all christians

Many, many more will just assume that if you proclaim that you are christian you belive in the literal truth of the bible and yeah, then you are with this guy because there is no other explanation for dinosaurs, for reference, check out seekermeister a "moderate" christian.

Either that or you don't belive the bible is the word of god, just the new testament and the parts you like to pick and choose from the old one.

You really think that gods words were meant to be interpreted?

actually slackware there is room in the Christianity for the Dinosaurs and such...you need to do some reading before misrepresenting the facts...

There is NOT room for millions of years old creatures when the earth was created 6k years ago according to it. End of story.

You don't want to trust the literal word of god? That is your choice but WHAT is the point of it then?

And try me on the reading, i have been known to correct Christians on the issue before.

Besides, i'm one of the chosen people and they, they think Jesus is MAGIC!

Edit: Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch over that last comment, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7m782SdcQU

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: daveymark
sadly, many athiest wackos will lump this zealot in with all christians

Many, many more will just assume that if you proclaim that you are christian you belive in the literal truth of the bible and yeah, then you are with this guy because there is no other explanation for dinosaurs, for reference, check out seekermeister a "moderate" christian.

Either that or you don't belive the bible is the word of god, just the new testament and the parts you like to pick and choose from the old one.

You really think that gods words were meant to be interpreted?

actually slackware there is room in the Christianity for the Dinosaurs and such...you need to do some reading before misrepresenting the facts...

There is NOT room for millions of years old creatures when the earth was created 6k years ago according to it. End of story.

You don't want to trust the literal word of god? That is your choice but WHAT is the point of it then?

And try me on the reading, i have been known to correct Christians on the issue before.

Besides, i'm one of the chosen people and they, they think Jesus is MAGIC!

Edit: Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch over that last comment, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7m782SdcQU

I think we need to be clear. Christians is a term used to describe all denominations of Christianity. It is Evangelicals that believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible and that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

 

[Slackware]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: daveymark
sadly, many athiest wackos will lump this zealot in with all christians

Many, many more will just assume that if you proclaim that you are christian you belive in the literal truth of the bible and yeah, then you are with this guy because there is no other explanation for dinosaurs, for reference, check out seekermeister a "moderate" christian.

Either that or you don't belive the bible is the word of god, just the new testament and the parts you like to pick and choose from the old one.

You really think that gods words were meant to be interpreted?

actually slackware there is room in the Christianity for the Dinosaurs and such...you need to do some reading before misrepresenting the facts...

There is NOT room for millions of years old creatures when the earth was created 6k years ago according to it. End of story.

You don't want to trust the literal word of god? That is your choice but WHAT is the point of it then?

And try me on the reading, i have been known to correct Christians on the issue before.

Besides, i'm one of the chosen people and they, they think Jesus is MAGIC!

Edit: Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch over that last comment, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7m782SdcQU

I think we need to be clear. Christians is a term used to describe all denominations of Christianity. It is Evangelicals that believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible and that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

And then there is Seekermeister who belive in some of the creationist story but only that Humans were created at that time, other species were created before that according to him.

I don't see interpretations of the word of God as a particulary meaningful exersise, either he is infallible and it is the word of God which means that taking it as anything but as to the written literal meaning is heresy or it is "kinda" the word of God which means that it's up to anyone to interpret it.

I recall a passage in my Torah about interpreting gods words.