UPDATE: I've decided to join the Marine Reserves

ThaGrandCow

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I went and talked to some of the local recruiters here about joining a branch as a reserve. As I was talking to the guy I just felt like it would be the right thing to do, and I was tempted to sign the papers right there. I really want to fly but I'd never thought it would be possible for me to do it. After talking to the recruiter it seems like I could have a good chance.

<sigh>

I always used to tell myself that I wouldn't join the military, but it seems to be inevitable now.
Before I do something rash though I'm going to talk to my dad, the recruiter again, and contemplate my options over the weekend

UPDATE:
Update: I'm going to meet with another recruiter on tuesday. Right now I'm split about 70/30 on what I want to do... either the marines or the air force, with the advantage going to the marines at this point. Basically unless I get a really good deal from the AF recruiter I'm going marines. Also at this point I've decided 100% that I am going to do SOMETHING, I just need to figure out what.

UPDATE 2:
I spoke to an air force recruiter, had to drive out 3 hours to meet her. She told me she would have a hotel room reserved for me and the other person looking atr joining up, plus have an appointment set up so we could take the ASVAB and our physicals. We drove 3 hours out there (the only reason we agreed to meet her was because she had an "offer we couldn't refuse") and the recruiter spent about 10 minutes talking to us. The deal she could give us was the exact same pay that all the other branches were offering, with less of a signing bonus and nothing special at all. At this point in talkking with her I was getting a bit upset that we had driven out there for nothing. I decided that it wasn't all too bad because we got a hotel room and could explore Richmond for a few hours that night. I was done speaking with her at that point (BTW that meeting was the AF's one chance to talk me out of the marines) and just wanted to get out of there and back to our hotel. The conversation went like this after that point:
Me: Ok, I think you've answered all of our questions for now. I'd like to leave and get some food and head back to our hotel. We'll meet you tomorrow morning. Where are we staying tonight?
AF Recruiter: Well... that's a bit of a problem. We can't get you a hotel room tonight.
Me:...
...
<trying not to get angry>
... Ok... well I guess we'll just have to take the tests tonight before we head back then.
AF Recruiter: That's also going to be a problem. You see, to take the tests there needs to be at least a 48 hour advance notice.
(I had been VERY specific about the plans when I spoke with her a week before. I didn't want to drive 6 hours total for nothing)
Me: So should I assume you didn't put in the notice?
AF Recruiter: ... ... yes.
Me: So then why did we drive out here? All you've done is give me 1 piece of paper that you could have faxed me and spoken to me about over the phone. This is also the exact same payment information that every other branch offers. I could have seen this information at the army recruiters office that is 5 minutes from my apartment.
AF Recruiter: Yes, but I was able to tell you about the experience of being in the Air Force!
Me: All you told me about was that AF personell get to stay in a hotel when they are on assignment! You told me the same thing when we spoke on the phone a week ago! *$*#@...
<use your imagination and add in about 5 minutes of me being rather(extremely) upset(make a rapper cringe vulgar) to the recruiter for wasting more than 7 hours of my time, plus the gas money and parking money, plus tolls to get to the location.>

I left without hearing her response, which could have been "I'll give you $50,000 for your time" and I still wouldn't have cared at that point.

So I've decided to go into the Marine reserves through the remainder of my college career. Once I graduate I'll move to fully enlisted and headed to OCS to become a comissioned officer. After that it's on to flight school (hopefully, I've got a good shot at it at least). I've talked to many people extensively over the last few weeks: my father (20+ years Navy), people I know already involved with the Marine reserves, the Marine recruiter himself, and everyone else I can think of.
It seems like it'll be the best choice for me for my future. Plus I get in incredible shape (13 weeks of boot camp, ouch), get to blow all sorts of crap up with different weapons/bombs, and get all sorts of crazy training. :D:D:D I'm psyched about it now. Wish me luck. Oh and if anyone wants to take pity on a poor soul who won't see a woman for 13 weeks, feel free to PM me for my address if you have a Playboy or Penthouse you want to send me once I'm at boot ;)
 

notfred

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<< After talking to the recruiter it seems like I could have a good chance. >>



You know that his job is to get you to sign up, right? He's just a salesman of a different kind.
 

Tripleshot

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USAF pilots are commisioned officers, college educated, and physically fit. If you have what it takes, you will be with the best damn military outfit out there in times of war. The gulf war is proof of that.;)
 

ThaGrandCow

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<< You know that his job is to get you to sign up, right? He's just a salesman of a different kind. >>

Yes I know that. I went in there with that mentality. AFAIK though they cannot outright lie to you. The recruiter was different than I thought they usually were. He didn't push anything on me, didn't try to change my mindset at all. I told him that I wanted to go reserves and thats it. Thats all he talked about until I broached the subject of flying. At that point we discussed exactly what I would need to do to be a pilot. No BSing at all, not pushy at all. I respected that.

The army recruiter I spoke to after that though was definitely a used car salesman. He talked circles around me, implied (not outright said) things that wern't true, and just made me feel very uncomfortable. He also pushed really hard for me to sign right there. The Air Force guy seemed more like a counseler looking out for my best interests than a recruiter trying to just get me into the program.
 

ThaGrandCow

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<< USAF pilots are commisioned officers, college educated, and physically fit. If you have what it takes, you will be with the best damn military outfit out there in times of war. The gulf war is proof of that.;) >>

Thats exactly what he told me. I need a 4 year degree, must pass OTS, and do a LOT of work. He put no fluff on it. Yes, it's hard, but I think I might be able to do it.
 

stonecold3169

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My bro is in the af, and he loves it. He's a head mechanic, makes a pretty decent pay, gets his house paid for off base, and gets full benefits. While not for me personally, the life is pretty good if you are into it, they treat you alright.
 

HappyPuppy

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Make an appointment for the AF recruiter to come to your home to talk to you and your parents together. They are willing to do this and usually prefer it. After talking to everyone together and you make your decision, there is no doubt as to whether he "tricked" you into joining.

 

Tripleshot

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I am ex USAF and somewhat biased. However, I was raised Marine Corp. The recruiters I know say it is hard to be accepted in the USAF,and the Army and Marines are fairly easy. Based on that, if the USAF offers to accept you, train you, educate you, make you a pilot,........ to turn it down would be the biggest mistake of your life.

It's hard to get in and demands only the best. If you got it go for it. Most pilots, after their AF carrer go no to be highly paid and respected airline pilots,making damn good money.;)

Go for it. This is dream of a lifetime that you can make come true. It's your dream. It's your life. The USAF will definately treat you with respect and feed you well.

Pilots chow in The USAF is 5 star.:)
 

PowerEngineer

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Hmmm... I'm glad you're carefully considering this important decision. This isn't like taking any other job that you can walk away from if you find it's not for you.

My brother decided to join the Navy ROTC when he was a junior in college because he wanted to be a pilot too. The following summer he went down to Pensacola, FA where the Navy has their basic flight school. They put him (and his ROTC comrades) into a pressure chamber to simulate altitude changes, and he found that he could never be a pilot due to narrow sinuses. Fortunately, he could still drop out of ROTC at that point.

If you do sign up for the Air Force, remember that you might not end up being a pilot at all.

Good Luck!
 

neomits

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I almost joined the Air Force when I was in HS as well. All through-out my childhood and high school years I wanted despertly to be a pilot. Not a slow a$$ commercial pilot mind you but flying Mach 3 with enough explosives to do some MAJOR damage. It just really appealed to me. So I looked into it deeply in HS and found out that I was partially color blind and as far as military flying went.... that blew my chances out of the water. It really sucked and I was depressed and sad for a while but moved on and now I'm majoring in MIS and enjoying that. I still get so overjoyed whenever I hear a jet overhead and make an attempt to go to every airshow nearby because it just makes me feel so awesome inside.

Anyway... make sure you can go all they way to being a pilot. They are very restrictive on who they let become one but if you can... I say go for it, you can live out my dream ;)
 

rh71

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I read/heard somewhere that less than 10% of the people going into USAF actually get to fly for their country... true ?
 

ThaGrandCow

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<< Make an appointment for the AF recruiter to come to your home to talk to you and your parents together. They are willing to do this and usually prefer it. After talking to everyone together and you make your decision, there is no doubt as to whether he "tricked" you into joining. >>

I wish I could do that. I'm in college here at VT and my dad's in Texas. I wish he was here to go with me and hear what the guy said. He was in the Navy for like 15 years and he would know if the guy was blowing smoke or not.
 

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<<

<< After talking to the recruiter it seems like I could have a good chance. >>



You know that his job is to get you to sign up, right? He's just a salesman of a different kind.
>>

Anyway this is probably the biggest decision you've made yet in your life if you do decide to join because it's a huge commitment so it's good you didn't jump right in and are giving it more thought ;)
 

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<< I wish I could do that. I'm in college here at VT >>

My condolences:p.
I spend eight years living in Vermont. Too damn cold for my liking.
 

neomits

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<< I wish I could do that. I'm in college here at VT >>

My condolences:p.
I spend eight years living in Vermont. Too damn cold for my liking.
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Vermont or Virginia Tech (one of the schools I looked at :) ) They have a BIG military presence. I think they have the largest ROTC or something like that.
 

FoBoT

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<< He was in the Navy for like 15 years and he would know if the guy was blowing smoke or not. >>



do like your dad and join the navy, i was in the navy ten years, i don't regret it :)

all recruiters blow smoke , that is their job, they have a quota to meet
 

Zebo

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Good call in going reserve because you can always change your mind later and go active duty. And you will be active duty for at least 6 months while you complete bootcamp and your basic school. AFAIR the college benefits are indentical minus 1/2 time for reserve status. Try and choose a skill which is easily transferable to real life like accounting in case things don't work out.

I joined the Navy reserve with ambitions of becoming a pilot too after they helped pay for college and I finished my degree. But my eyes took a crap and I needed a couple of waivers for drug use and foriegn born parents. No problem with the waivers but you eyesight must be 20/20 not 20/80 like mine became.

Good Luck
 

ScottyB

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Why would you want to join the military? I always thought it was for the less intelligent. Even the ones (that i've noticed) that go to college can't seem to keep up with everyone else.