Update: House Bill Might Ban MySpace, Friendster

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bersl2

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Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: goku
Originally posted by: Injury
It seems most of you didn't even read the article. You don't even have to read past the FIRST FREAKING PARAGRAPH to know that the topic title is beyond misleading. It doesn't ban the f'ing sites...

A Pennsylvania congressman has introduced legislation that would ban minors from accessing social networking websites such as MySpace, and forbid libraries from making such access available.

it bans MINORS and MINORS ONLY from using the sites.

So if you guys what to cry about rights and stuff go ahead, but personally I think it will help take care of some of the neffing around here and some of the trolling in FS/FT ;)

</end your self>

That's really great, make everything in this world for people over the age of 18.. I think it's a stupid idea, an it's even more stupid that you can't see the perspective of other people.. I wish darwinian theory was applied to everybody in practically every age group, but no, our society caters to the ignorant masses, creating an even more ignorant and clueless society.. The parents blame everybody but them selves and with this attitude our society is going to crumble.. 'injury' you're only helping in perpetuate this degredation of our society. Thats all we need, MORE government involvement in our everyday lives, we tried to fight off socialism but it looks like we're succuming to it anyways..

:roll:

Children have NO rights. Literally. It's already the job of the government to protect them, so it sounds like that is what they are doing. Yes, parents should teach their kids not to give out their address or talk about personal stuff online... but do you ALWAYS do EVERYTHING your parents tell you? No, you don't.
It is the job of the government to protect children from unsafe labor conditions; it is the job of the government to find a child who has been abducted from his or her lawful guardian; it is not the job of the government to do everything in its power to prevent such unfortunate events from happening. Or so I say. We are having fundamental disagreements as to the scope of power of government (which I shall address later).

I fail to see the harm in not allowing kids to register for un-approved sites. You can cry "OMG SOCIETY IS STUPID LET THEM KILL THEMSELVES OFF!" but that's a pretty piss-poor attitude. It sounds to me like what you are saying is "If a kid is stupid enough to give out their address who cares if they get abducted... their parents should have done a better job with them!" It's not like it's taking kids off the internet entirely, so I fail to see how it's "making everything for people over the age of 18". It would be perfectly reasonable if this bill was passed and there was an approved list of sites kids could register for where the moderation is top notch.
You know who's actually going to make the list? The sites who have enough influence, that's who.

Yeah, I know that it could sound like a bit of an extreme to do, but at least someone has proposed a bill to do SOMETHING about what is a notable problem.
Congratulations for identifying child abduction as a notable problem, and not a common problem. I argue that the problem is so uncommon that it would be more effective to work to prevent child abuse and/or abduction by parents, relatives, neighbors, teachers, and the like, who are by far (IIRC, of course) more likely to be the culprits of any misdeed.

You got a better idea? Great! Stop sitting there in your comfortable chair behind a computer screen screaming about society crumbling and a clueless society and write the congressman with a better proposition. It's funny how so many people on this forum bitch about the state of the government but very few of them actually do more than type to Anandtech about it. The joy of our government is that you have the right to let our elected officials know what you think and what you would like to see happen. They call them "representatives" because they represent YOUR opinion, not because they want to go there and do only what they want.
Ha, that's a good one! :laugh:

Our "representatives" do what they think will get them the most votes in their next campaign. For most issues, representatives get responses coming from all directions. In the absence of any clear consensus or any strong personal beliefs, they will fall back on the above.

Speaking of which, I don't appreciate our "two sides of the same coin", authoritarian primary political parties.

I really think you should consider these words:
The parents blame everybody but them selves and with this attitude our society is going to crumble.. 'injury' you're only helping in perpetuate this degredation of our society. Thats all we need, MORE government involvement in our everyday lives, we tried to fight off socialism but it looks like we're succuming to it anyways..
I have this book on my night table, called The Road to Serfdom by F. A. Hayek. I suggest you (all of you, even) read it. In a world where the word "liberal" has become a poison onto the language while so much of what actually represents "socialism" has found its way into modern democracy, it has much to teach about the nature of authority.

Speaking of which, I find your rather blind trust of authority disturbing.

One more thing: children are adults-in-training. Try to keep that in mind while you have your next "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!" session.
 

Xonoahbin

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
No more children on ATOT?!?!

Could we get so lucky? Well, heres to hoping.....

You do realize that there are posters on here that are under 18 that are very mature and very good posters? For example, I'm 16.. but nobody's ever complained about me. Yet they've complained about others a lot.
 

Amused

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Stupid bills get introduced every year and go nowhere. Hell, most don't even make it to a vote.

This doesn't even merit much conversation, much less debate or anger. There is no way in hell it will survive in it's present form to make it to a vote.

In fact, the article even admits this after it tries scaring the pants off all you knee-jerk reactionaries.
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Banning libraries from visiting such websites is unconstitutional, plain and simple. It's free speech, and it's protected by the 1st Amendment. Even porn sites are still in libraries. Trying to block minors from websites just to protect them from perverts is noble but far too flawed to be effective or prudent.

Not in pennsylvania. 2 years ago, legislation was passed, requiring web filtering for all school & library computers.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: DaiShan
LOL another craptastic wannabe replacement for good parenting. I'm all for the sterilization of people that think it's ok to let their kids do whatever they please, including meeting people on the Internet.

Naw, I think we should just ban everything that might concievably allow children to come into contact with sexual predators, like forums, blogs, chat, email, phones, clubs, youth groups, churches, parks, streets, friends' houses, schools, and sidewalks. Basically you must by law keep your kids locked up in their rooms until they're 18. Of course, that's child abuse, so you should be arrested. Since jails can't possibly hold that many people, we'll have to use house arrest, and since we don't have enough cops to watch that many houses, we'll do it on the honor system.

LOL. You've got it all wrong. We'll just install ankle bracelets and tracking collars on everyone, and raise their taxes 25% to pay for the devices that tether them to their homes. There won't be any public outcry because we'll just be like...well, you know al qaeda. That still works right?
 

pcnerd37

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Ive been a Republican all my life, but its idiots lik this, and the ones that are introducing the anti-gaming laws make me ashamed to be a Republican. If they dont stop this crap, I may have to start my own political party.
 

Fenixgoon

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as much as i hate myspace, govt != parents... myspace has everything to do with poor parenting, and nothing to do with the feds
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: venk
Why don't we just get a "Drivers License" for the Internet.

Seriously, you should be required to have a license before you can legally use the internet. It wouldn't be that hard to enforce, the telecommunications companies control the internet anyway. I guess one way to get around it would be to find an insecure WiFi network, but it would be 1000x easier to enforce than even driving licenses.

The test to get your license should include search engines, forum usage, how to protect your computer, etc.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Injury
It seems most of you didn't even read the article. You don't even have to read past the FIRST FREAKING PARAGRAPH to know that the topic title is beyond misleading. It doesn't ban the f'ing sites...

A Pennsylvania congressman has introduced legislation that would ban minors from accessing social networking websites such as MySpace, and forbid libraries from making such access available.

it bans MINORS and MINORS ONLY from using the sites.

So if you guys what to cry about rights and stuff go ahead, but personally I think it will help take care of some of the neffing around here and some of the trolling in FS/FT ;)

Ahh yes, that makes perfect sense... women get raped alot... so in order to prevent rape, lets make it illegal for women to frequent public places. Ahhh laws against the victims... perfectly logical.

-Max

Women shouldn't be out of the kitchen anyway

/republican
 

IceBergSLiM

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1) this will never pass

2) why do they insist on creating "fixes" that dont address the root problem --- poor parenting
 

clamum

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Feb 13, 2003
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This bullshit better not get passed. I'm no way a minor, but because of recent publicity of the online predator thing, people are up in arms about banning these type of sites instead of addressing the real problem: the useless parents who are clueless about what their kid is doing online.

That's all we need is the government telling us people can't visit certain websites. If I was a parent, I'd register myself an account and let my kid use it.
 

DaShen

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It is the fact that parents today blame society for their lack of parenting, and when something bad happens, they blame society and everyone else but themselves.

"Why actually be involved in my kids life, when I can stick them in front of a TV or computer, and leave them to be distracted while I do my own thing. Why involve them in sports or outdoor activities when it requires me to take them out and do stuff. And why should I be responsible for my kids computer related activities?... it is society." :roll:

The Bill will be passed myspace and other stuff will go down, some other system will pop up and be used by predators and the same stupid mentallity will cycle. It isn't myspace's responsibility to watch after your kids, it is the parents.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: DaiShan
LOL another craptastic wannabe replacement for good parenting. I'm all for the sterilization of people that think it's ok to let their kids do whatever they please, including meeting people on the Internet.

Naw, I think we should just ban everything that might concievably allow children to come into contact with sexual predators, like forums, blogs, chat, email, phones, clubs, youth groups, churches, parks, streets, friends' houses, schools, and sidewalks. Basically you must by law keep your kids locked up in their rooms until they're 18. Of course, that's child abuse, so you should be arrested. Since jails can't possibly hold that many people, we'll have to use house arrest, and since we don't have enough cops to watch that many houses, we'll do it on the honor system.

LOL. You've got it all wrong. We'll just install ankle bracelets and tracking collars on everyone, and raise their taxes 25% to pay for the devices that tether them to their homes. There won't be any public outcry because we'll just be like...well, you know al qaeda. That still works right?

:thumbsup: Good posts to all.
 

EyeMWing

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Myspace, Friendster, yes.

Facebook, not really (because all they have to do is a drop table on the high school and general access sections and go back to basics).

If they clear up the language issues with it so that it only targets, say, myspace, friendster, and any direct successors in that specific market, and it somehow passes, I'm certainly not going to shed a tear - they've done the world a service as far as I'm concerned. I've never seen anything good come out of social networking - ESPECIALLY myspace. The other ones, you hear about an occasional "I'm boinking this girl and it's turning into a great relationship" - but myspace, shiiiiiiit. It's "I gave myself to this older man and OMG IT HRUTS IT HURTS IT HRUTS AND HE MADE ME SLEEP WITH ALL HIS FRIENDS AND CRAWLING INNNNN MY SKINNNNNN i want to cut myself. bye now *suicide*"

The internet is a medium. It will be regulated eventually - especially the "world wide web" part of it (essentially, the massive set of HTTP servers connected by hyperlinks that most morons think is the internet). But due to the fact that it's, in reality, just a really, really, REALLY big network - you can run whatever services you fvcking want on it. We got along well on the internet before HTTP and HTML. Hell, all that stuff is still there and most of us have at least some form of access to it. If the www becomes crippled by legislation, the internet will adapt, and either take a step backwards with it's primary communications channel, or a step forward.
 

2Dead

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Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Meh, I don't get why everyone is so protective children anyways. To be honest, there's a lot of bastards on the internet I wouldn't mind seeing abducted.

rofl