update: 5770 4870 or 4890: got the 4890

swilli89

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Now ofcourse given the same price I would take the 4890 in a heartbeat.

Just a few factors:
gaming at 1680x1050
e6850 on 975x crossfire

games: sc2, bad company 2, yet to be released star wars mmo

cards are priced at 4870-$95 5770-$120 4890-$140

last factor is I plan to crossfire in the future and I'm thinking that a 5850-beating 4870 cf solution for 190ish sounds pretty good.

So given the criteria what would you guys get?0
 
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Attic

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If I were in your shoes, looking for a solution at 1680x1050, i'd take the 5770 in a heartbeat. For CF down the line it makes a lot of sense to get into DX11 with the first card you buy.

Some users of Multi-GPU solutions are sensitive to microstutter, from what i've read enabling Vsync is a remedy.
 

Qbah

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HD4870 is faster than HD5770. And the HD5770 is $25 more. How is that good value for performance?

HD5770 will be cooler and eat up less power. DX11 is a non-factor for it as the card's too slow for it anyway.

If you believe less power usage at idle and load and lower working temps in general is worth $25 more (together with a bit lower performance) then by all means go for the HD5770. Otherwise HD4870 is an excellent card. HD4890 for $140 is not worth it with the other prices - hotter, louder, even more power and $45 more than the HD4870 = no thanks.
 

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rancherlee

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5770 = 4870 as far as performance goes, the 5xxx series have been picking up speed with driver refreshes. the 4890 is still 15-20% faster than either of them but sucks twice the power of a 5770. 4xxx is dead and they really aren't going to work on getting more speed out of those in future drivers but I would still expect them to tweak some more out of the 5xxx cards.
 

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1. Dirt 2: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/xfx-radeon-hd5830_12.html#sect1

29 frames min and 41 frame avg is choppy soup in Dirt 2 imo. Anything under 40 fps min in this game is choppy in fact.

2. Metro 2033: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/xfx-radeon-hd5830_8.html#sect1

23.7 fps avg....

3. STALKER: CoP: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/xfx-radeon-hd5830_9.html#sect0

27.4 fps avg / 14 min...

The minimum videocard for DX11 is 5850 at 1680x1050.
 

Qbah

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This is Metro 2033 on a HD5850: link
Metro2033-HD5k.png


AvP DX11 on a HD5870: link
AvP-DX11.png


Dirt 2 (both DX9 and DX11 results are in the graph for each card): link
Dirt2_update_1680.png


HD5850 is the slowest card you want if you're thinking about DX11 with all its all candy. Hell, it's not even that great if you look at it. Satisfied?
 
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Phynaz

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Russian,

I see nothing there that states those were DX11 benchmarks.
 
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Qbah

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I added links to mine, looks like you can't deep-link to pcagmeshardware anymore. Check their DX11 performance investigations.
 

Jovec

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5770 is fine for DX11, just not for maximum details/eye candy. Don't confuse the two.
 

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I personally just buy the cheap 4870 for 95 bucks. the 57xx series are not very fast, or another option is save the cash and put it toward buying a 5850 later.
 

swilli89

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Lots of good info guys.. Ok so I have re evaluated a few things since reading your comments.

Its a wise thing to consider that the 4800 series has long been discontinued, and as hard as it is to find one now, it will be even harder to find one 6 months or so from now. My only option would be to plan on lucking out and finding a lightly used one which is not a good plan at all.

Also, while I was leaning towards the 4890, from the benchmarks shown of the games i want to play, it is not 40 dollars faster, especially considering the increased noise/power draw.

Here is my only reservation about the 5770. Now I know that Juniper and Cypress' shaders aren't as strong as the 4800's sp versus sp but that's ok as Juniper can clock up at least 100mhz higher. I am just apprehensive of going with a 128-bit memory bus.

I have known this since I was in middle school, to stay away from this castrated half-bus. Besides 128 bit being the best available when i got my Geforce 3, all of my video cards, 9700 pro, 6800 GT, x850xt, and my current x1950xt have 256-bit memory busses. Has gddr5 made 256 bit busses irrlevant for my 1680 resolution? If so then I think I am ready to pull the trigger.

Another good point someone brought up is that while the 4890 is def. faster, its rated at 190watts TDP versus 110watts TDP for the 5770 and thats a very large difference when considering crossfire. I have an antect Truepower 530 which would probably limit me to 2 x 5770 and still have room for my CPU oc and a few hard drives.

I mean this has just been way too difficult finding what I believe to be a good deal. The market sucks. Period!

I bought my x1950xt for around 130 bucks around early 2007. I think it had cost 300+ when it was new, around 6 months earlier. It was one of the fastest cards around for an awesome price, from newegg ofcourse. And for that amount of money I have enjoyed countless hours of fun and memory with my friends playing battlefield 2, quake wars, total war games and a few others.

I may not have been able to have had all settings cranked up and yeah I would have liked to have max eye candy but for a college student making 8.50/hr I mean damn, its just not worth it to me to pay more than 130 or so for my replacement video card, hence my crossfire plan for the future.

Whew, sorry about all that but this decision process is really tedious/entertaining haha.

On a side note, any one here on SC2 beta?
 
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I am just apprehensive of going with a 128-bit memory bus.
Has gddr5 made 256 bit busses irrlevant for my 1680 resolution?

You just answered your own question.
Bandwidth of GDDR5= 2 X GDDR3 according to AMD's website.

Advanced Memory - GDDR5 provides twice the data per pin of GDDR3 memory at the same clock speeds.

FYI both 4890 and 5770 use GDDR5.
 

swilli89

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Update: Ok so I ended up with a 4890. I scored one for 130 shipped, refurbished from xfx. My reason was that I think this card will last me a good while by itself without the need to crossfire even if i go up to 1920x1080 thanks to the increased memory bandwidth.

Worst case it about ties the 5770 and in the best case it can be up to 30% faster.

Can't wait to install it and run some battlefield/starcraft 2 benches for any others that may be contemplating upgrading from x1900, 7900 era graphics cards, few as they may be!
 

happy medium

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Update: Ok so I ended up with a 4890. I scored one for 130 shipped, refurbished from xfx. My reason was that I think this card will last me a good while by itself without the need to crossfire even if i go up to 1920x1080 thanks to the increased memory bandwidth.

Worst case it about ties the 5770 and in the best case it can be up to 30% faster.

Can't wait to install it and run some battlefield/starcraft 2 benches for any others that may be contemplating upgrading from x1900, 7900 era graphics cards, few as they may be!

I hope it isn't one of those 4890 xfx models that overheats?
I'll pray for ya.
 

swilli89

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Just reporting back that I FINALLY got my 4890. USPS sucks :/

I think I'm in love. Maybe it was that my x1950xt was just that loud and hot but, this thing is a dream compared to my old card.

Temps went down from 60/90C idle/load to about 50/75C.

Fan went from being audible in the kitchen to inaudible at my desk. I know some have said the 4890's could be loud but my only guess is they were using passively cooled cards lol. My x1950xt was at 100% fan speed all the time where as my new card never tops 65%

Ok and for my few games.

Battlefield 2 @ 1680x1050 went from ~40 FPS to ~100 FPS with 0xAA for the 1950 and 8xaa with the 4890.

Starcraft 2 @ 1680x1050 went from ~25 FPS and frequent dips with medium/low settings to ~50 FPS with no dips with all ULTRA settings :D :D

Bad Company 2 @1680x1050 went from completely unplayable at almost any setting to ~40 FPS medium/high settings.

Couldn't be happier with my purchase!
 

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You made the right choice with the 4890, IMO. Glad you're happy with the performance, but from the #s you quoted it's looking like your CPU is a pretty major bottleneck for you at 1680x1050 in some of those games.

Unless it's the ZDFC model which was known to perform like a 4850. In which case that kind of a performance boost over a 1950 is about right.
 

Rifter

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another vote for the right choice. I love my 4890. You would have had to go up to a 5850 to get better performance.