UPDATE #2: Vista is the most un-user friendly operating system

[VirtualLarry]

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[Bateluer]

His updated comments at the bottom reveal that he didn't properly research Vista before he wrote the article, such as the ability to turn UAC off, something which I found within seconds, and for which instructions can be found within Vista's own Help function.

 

[lxskllr]

He makes a few valid points. The wireless networking click through really hit home. I think they could have done a little better with some of the dialogs, but there's no show stopping problems that I see. The benefits of Vista still far outweigh the few negatives imo.

 

[Griffinhart]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
His updated comments at the bottom reveal that he didn't properly research Vista before he wrote the article, such as the ability to turn UAC off, something which I found within seconds, and for which instructions can be found within Vista's own Help function.

He exagerates the UAC promt thing too. He claims that those 2 second interupts will result hundreds or even thousands of hours lost. For UAC to cost a thousand hours you would need to respond to 500 UAC prompts for 10 years. Hell it would require 50+ UAC prompts a day for 10 years for 100 hours. Does someone install that much software or modify system files 50 to 500 times a day?

 

[nerp]

This reads like another total noob magazine writer rambling on the internet to meet a deadline. These mainstream PC magazines are so dumbed down these days that I'm not surprised in the least that the writer of this article sounds like a junior level tech at CompUSA or something. Just a big wimpy whine. Like someone who buys braising steak from the meat counter, tries to barbeque it and then decides to blame the butcher for a tough steak rather than their lack of culinary knowledge.

 

[Parasitic]

...and you listen to this guy's opinion because?

Sure, the reasoning in his article would be valid if he were a 70-year-old grandma just exposed to the world of computing thanks for her grandkids.

If he can't figure out a way to turn off UAC (which isn't too hard at all, even my computer iliterate mum did it within 5 minutes of finding the options) his opinions have no merits at all.

 

[Smilin]

It took about 60 seconds of reading to figure out the guy is a tard. I never finished the article. I want my 60 seconds of life back, Larry.

 

[stash]

What's with the posting and running of flame bait around here?

 

[compman25]

And he complains of the leap from XP to Vista, well, what about his leap from XP to Linux? That's a far bigger leap.

 

[JackMDS]

The article starts with the word Opinion.

Opinion is part of our Freedom of Speech it is Not a substitute word for Technology, and for the real physical world.

Many people do not like classical music and classical art, they are entitled to their like or dislike and it does not change the actual value classical music, and classical art.

The "Opinion Guy" likes things that I do not, and dislike things that I like, so I use Vista, and he does not have too. However, that does not make Vista better or worse per-se.

I think that topics that are mainly Personal Opinion, like the content of the one linked by the OP, should go into the OT Forum, and not be here. This Forum is basically a Technical forum.

P.S. This is my personal view and has nothing to do with being a Moderator.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: compman25
And he complains of the leap from XP to Vista, well, what about his leap from XP to Linux? That's a far bigger leap.

That's apples and oranges. It's understandable to go through some growing pains when trying to go from Windows to Linux or OS X.

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: compman25
And he complains of the leap from XP to Vista, well, what about his leap from XP to Linux? That's a far bigger leap.

That's apples and oranges. It's understandable to go through some growing pains when trying to go from Windows to Linux or OS X.

But Microsoft can't change anything and have users go through some growing pains also? They're supposed to keep the same basic OS model since Win95? I would expect there to be growing pains with each new OS from MS.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: Griffinhart

Originally posted by: Bateluer
His updated comments at the bottom reveal that he didn't properly research Vista before he wrote the article, such as the ability to turn UAC off, something which I found within seconds, and for which instructions can be found within Vista's own Help function.

He exagerates the UAC promt thing too. He claims that those 2 second interupts will result hundreds or even thousands of hours lost. For UAC to cost a thousand hours you would need to respond to 500 UAC prompts for 10 years. Hell it would require 50+ UAC prompts a day for 10 years for 100 hours. Does someone install that much software or modify system files 50 to 500 times a day?

My boss does. When he switched his computer from Windows 98 to Windows Vista, he copied the firefox directory into Program Files. It prompts him for stuff all the time because you're not supposed to write things into Program Files like that

 

[Parasitic]

So this guy also allegedly took part in designing a 32-bit operating system for almost a decade...what operating system took 10 years to make?

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: Griffinhart

Originally posted by: Bateluer
His updated comments at the bottom reveal that he didn't properly research Vista before he wrote the article, such as the ability to turn UAC off, something which I found within seconds, and for which instructions can be found within Vista's own Help function.

He exagerates the UAC promt thing too. He claims that those 2 second interupts will result hundreds or even thousands of hours lost. For UAC to cost a thousand hours you would need to respond to 500 UAC prompts for 10 years. Hell it would require 50+ UAC prompts a day for 10 years for 100 hours. Does someone install that much software or modify system files 50 to 500 times a day?

He's referring to the total number of hours lost collectively by every user of Vista.

 

[Griffinhart]

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: Griffinhart

Originally posted by: Bateluer
His updated comments at the bottom reveal that he didn't properly research Vista before he wrote the article, such as the ability to turn UAC off, something which I found within seconds, and for which instructions can be found within Vista's own Help function.

He exagerates the UAC promt thing too. He claims that those 2 second interupts will result hundreds or even thousands of hours lost. For UAC to cost a thousand hours you would need to respond to 500 UAC prompts for 10 years. Hell it would require 50+ UAC prompts a day for 10 years for 100 hours. Does someone install that much software or modify system files 50 to 500 times a day?

He's referring to the total number of hours lost collectively by every user of Vista.

Sorry, you're right, but what the hell kind of point is that to make? If he's trying to make a point for lost man hours in a business, the statement is total useless since UAC only pops up when something wants to modify a system folder. In a business environment users would typically be running as a limited user and unable to install software anyway. They would never see a UAC prompt. UAC prompts come up far less often than people realize. In the end, lost man hours to a company due to UAC would be zero.

 

[Genx87]

This guy is a certifiable tard. If your computer hangs for 2 mins there is something wrong with your computer, not the OS. You think if every computer out there hung unresponsive for 2 mins because of Vista nobody would talk about it?

Anyways the easiest way to find out if anything is throwing an error is the check the even viewer. But I am sure that is harder to do than writing 3 paragraphs demostrating ones own incompetence.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Griffinhart

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: Griffinhart

Originally posted by: Bateluer
His updated comments at the bottom reveal that he didn't properly research Vista before he wrote the article, such as the ability to turn UAC off, something which I found within seconds, and for which instructions can be found within Vista's own Help function.

He exagerates the UAC promt thing too. He claims that those 2 second interupts will result hundreds or even thousands of hours lost. For UAC to cost a thousand hours you would need to respond to 500 UAC prompts for 10 years. Hell it would require 50+ UAC prompts a day for 10 years for 100 hours. Does someone install that much software or modify system files 50 to 500 times a day?

He's referring to the total number of hours lost collectively by every user of Vista.

Sorry, you're right, but what the hell kind of point is that to make? If he's trying to make a point for lost man hours in a business, the statement is total useless since UAC only pops up when something wants to modify a system folder. In a business environment users would typically be running as a limited user and unable to install software anyway. They would never see a UAC prompt. UAC prompts come up far less often than people realize. In the end, lost man hours to a company due to UAC would be zero.

In my experience, UAC pops up a lot more often than just 'modifying system folders'. I can't even move a start menu item to another location without UAC wondering wtf I am doing. Of course, it's easy to turn off if you do 5 seconds of looking.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Griffinhart
Sorry, you're right, but what the hell kind of point is that to make? If he's trying to make a point for lost man hours in a business, the statement is total useless since UAC only pops up when something wants to modify a system folder. In a business environment users would typically be running as a limited user and unable to install software anyway. They would never see a UAC prompt. UAC prompts come up far less often than people realize. In the end, lost man hours to a company due to UAC would be zero.

Lets not forget the saved man hours resulting from fewer crashes and downtime due to people having admin privileges and getting malware because of that. UAC also prevents a regular user account from making system changes that could cause IT headaches.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: compman25

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: compman25
And he complains of the leap from XP to Vista, well, what about his leap from XP to Linux? That's a far bigger leap.

That's apples and oranges. It's understandable to go through some growing pains when trying to go from Windows to Linux or OS X.

But Microsoft can't change anything and have users go through some growing pains also? They're supposed to keep the same basic OS model since Win95? I would expect there to be growing pains with each new OS from MS.

That's not what I said/meant. I'm not complaining about the XP > Vista differences. I'm just pointing out that going between drastically different operating systems is much different than an OS upgrade.

There's been growing pains with each Microsoft OS advance. With each OS release users had to get used to the new stuff and grumbles followed but eventually they settled down as people adjusted. I don't know for sure but eventually I think the same will happen with Vista.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Arkaign


In my experience, UAC pops up a lot more often than just 'modifying system folders'. I can't even move a start menu item to another location without UAC wondering wtf I am doing. Of course, it's easy to turn off if you do 5 seconds of looking.

If the start menu item is for all users, you are modifying a system folder that requires admin privileges. The reason for this is malware loves to mess with system wide start menu items. If you are moving around stuff in your personal start menu explorer folder, there will be no UAC prompt.

Besides, how often do you really move your Start Menu items around? Most people rarely even touch the Start Menu and leave it as default.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Griffinhart
Sorry, you're right, but what the hell kind of point is that to make? If he's trying to make a point for lost man hours in a business, the statement is total useless since UAC only pops up when something wants to modify a system folder. In a business environment users would typically be running as a limited user and unable to install software anyway. They would never see a UAC prompt. UAC prompts come up far less often than people realize. In the end, lost man hours to a company due to UAC would be zero.

Lets not forget the saved man hours resulting from fewer crashes and downtime due to people having admin privileges and getting malware because of that. UAC also prevents a regular user account from making system changes that could cause IT headaches.

A coworker was working on another coworkers Vista system (that had UAC enabled) and it was absolutely full of malware. I don't remember the specifics but it took him a while to get it cleaned up. Also, XP under a non-admin account prevented some system changes as well.

Still, I think the 'lost man hours' theory related to UAC is garbage. It makes me laugh when management types try to prove something like this... 'It's 2 seconds x 3x per hour x 8 hours per day x blah, blah, blah = $4 billion savings'. Right. Maybe they can find a way to eliminate eye blinking because those split seconds add up!

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Arkaign


In my experience, UAC pops up a lot more often than just 'modifying system folders'. I can't even move a start menu item to another location without UAC wondering wtf I am doing. Of course, it's easy to turn off if you do 5 seconds of looking.

If the start menu item is for all users, you are modifying a system folder that requires admin privileges. The reason for this is malware loves to mess with system wide start menu items. If you are moving around stuff in your personal start menu explorer folder, there will be no UAC prompt.

Besides, how often do you really move your Start Menu items around? Most people rarely even touch the Start Menu and leave it as default.

IIRC even XP will prompt for a system wide start menu change. I know I've responded 'yes' to the prompt before. Of course, if you're not a admin on the system it will just outright deny you.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Robor

A coworker was working on another coworkers Vista system (that had UAC enabled) and it was absolutely full of malware. I don't remember the specifics but it took him a while to get it cleaned up. Also, XP under a non-admin account prevented some system changes as well.

Still, I think the 'lost man hours' theory related to UAC is garbage. It makes me laugh when management types try to prove something like this... 'It's 2 seconds x 3x per hour x 8 hours per day x blah, blah, blah = $4 billion savings'. Right. Maybe they can find a way to eliminate eye blinking because those split seconds add up!

The coworker must have been on a administrative account and just clicked allow for anything that wanted to run. UAC can't fix stupid.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: soonerproudUAC can't fix stupid.

That's the argument though. People who don't like UAC are saying that it won't do anything to stop people from destroying their systems. I've ran XP with admin abilities for 7 years on 3 computers and I've never installed a virus (but I've been hit by a worm before). I can't use my track record to suggest that running as admin is safe.

UAC doesn't really do anything to fix the root problem: stupidity.