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Upcoming iPhone to have new dock connector, 19pin vs 30pin

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Audio can be sent over USB, I'm pretty sure the GS3 allows for this.

Edit: Just to add some more info about this on android:
An Android 4.1 Jelly Bean-powered device can have both USB audio out modes: standard USB audio out and Android-specific USB audio out.
These features are at the Android kernel level.
http://developer.android.com/tools/adk/aoa...l#audio-support

"Android Open Accessory Protocol 2.0 includes optional support for audio output from an Android device to an accessory. This version of the protocol supports a standard USB audio class interface that is capable of 2 channel 16-bit PCM audio with a bit rate of 44100 Khz. AOA 2.0 is currently limited to this output mode, but additional audio modes may be added in the future.
To enable the audio support, the accessory must send a new USB control request: SET_AUDIO_MODE"
 
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Phynaz said:
Such eloquence.

If I'm trolling you should report me.

Me thinks you just can't stand that Apple did something right.
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Nah, I'm too busy enjoying not being chained to a proprietary ecosystem. If other people like it, then whatever. You'd have to pay me to get me to switch to Apple.
 
Munky said:
Nah, I'm too busy enjoying not being chained to a proprietary ecosystem. If other people like it, then whatever. You'd have to pay me to get me to switch to Apple.
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We all have 3.5mm jacks too.

We just also have 30 pin connectors for line out when needed.
 
Eug said:
I don't see any advantage to using micro-USB. I hate that port, as it's seems so flimsy.

BTW, if this port is magnetic like rumours claim, that would rock.
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1.3 Intended Audience/Scope
Cell phone and Portable Devices have become so thin that the current Mini-USB does not fit well within the
constraints of future designs. Additional requirements for a more rugged connector that will have durability
past 10,000 cycles and still meet the USB 2.0 specification for mechanical and electrical performance was
also a consideration. The Mini-USB could not be modified and remain backward compatible to the existing
connector as defined in the USB OTG specification.
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http://193.219.66.80/datasheets/usb_20/Micro-USB_final/Micro-USB_1_01.pdf
 
Hummmm nobody has mentioned that when Apple released their "nothing but a money grab customer screwing" 30 pin connector Micro USB wasn't even around yet. And every cell phone manufacture had their own cable. Hell Motorola had 2, one for regular cell phones and one for phones on Nextel. So even if Micro USB was able to do everything Apple's cable can (which it can't) it would still be a moot point as there was no Micro USB a decade ago. So what other options exactly did Apple have? Apple has stuck with this connector for a decade. In the time I've gone threw proprietary -> Mini USB -> Micro USB. Oh, and with my BB Pearl I had to buy a special Micro USB cable because the one I had from my Sanyo phone would give me a "not sufficent power to charge this device" error when I plugged it in. And my Galaxy Note would go into data mode even when it was plugged to the wall because apparently the HTC cable's different, uhhh I take it Micro-USB isn't as standard as they make it out to be.
 
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Apple's going one better. Not only will it have a new connector it will ship with a Thunderbolt cable only.

So now you'll need a 30 pin adapter on the phone end and a thunderbolt to USB adapter on the other end.

And of course Apple will sell the adapters for only $29.95.

Or just buy a new Apple computer and new accessories.
Enjoy.
 
QueBert said:
Hummmm nobody has mentioned that when Apple released their "nothing but a money grab customer screwing" 30 pin connector Micro USB wasn't even around yet. And every cell phone manufacture had their own cable. Hell Motorola had 2, one for regular cell phones and one for phones on Nextel. So even if Micro USB was able to do everything Apple's cable can (which it can't) it would still be a moot point as there was no Micro USB a decade ago. So what other options exactly did Apple have? Apple has stuck with this connector for a decade. In the time I've gone threw proprietary -> Mini USB -> Micro USB. Oh, and with my BB Pearl I had to buy a special Micro USB cable because the one I had from my Sanyo phone would give me a "not sufficent power to charge this device" error when I plugged it in. And my Galaxy Note would go into data mode even when it was plugged to the wall because apparently the HTC cable's different, uhhh I take it Micro-USB isn't as standard as they make it out to be.
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All the devices i've ever used that utilized a mini or micro usb, the cables were interchangable between devices. What is this special micro usb cable for the blackberry you talking about? I've used a wide range of blackberrys, windows mobile, etc devices. Maybe I'm just lucky.
 
Joseph F said:
LOL, at all of you who think that the dock connector sounds different than the 3.5mm connector.
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You don't even understand what you're laughing at, now that's funny. You should Google line out and audio out, and do some actual reading so you have some idea of the nonsense you're spewing.


I can do what you do too


"LOL at all these people who think HDMI looks different than RCA"
 
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The funny thing in regards to this "line out vs headphone out" argument is that you are both right. Line out does not sound inherently better than the headphone out, no matter what device you are using. Line out gives a raw signal that is used by another amplifier. If you are hooking your phone up to a quality amp then you are going to get a better audio signal than you would get from going from the headphone jack. There is no reason to go from an already amplified and processed signal into another amplifier. If you run the line out into a cheap crappy amp you would have been better off using the headphone out.

That being said, I have tried it both ways and I'll be darned if I can hear much of a difference. The iPhone already has pretty good audio processing and I will assume that high quality Android phones do as well.
 
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Thank you
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Phynaz said:
3.5mm jack = audio out.

Dock connector = line out.

Big, big difference.
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There is. However, not all 3.5mm jacks are created equally - I think we can agree on this. The 3.5mm jack on the iPhone is (by my standards), so crappy, that I ended up buying a custom line-out cable that plugs into a Ray Samuels Audio Tomahawk that powers Ultimate Ears 10 Pro Customs.

Having said this, though, I don't think I would commit myself to saying that 3.5mm outputs are necessarily worse than lineouts. It just turns out that many 3.5mm outputs (especially on phones, in my experience) suck.
 
Joseph F said:
LOL, at all of you who think that the dock connector sounds different than the 3.5mm connector.
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Well there is a big difference, with the headphone output you're going through the internal DAC to the internal headphone amp. The dock connector streams out the digital signal bypassing the internal DAC and headphone amp. If you route it to a good external DAC and amp you get much better audio then connecting the headphone output.
 
VashHT said:
Well there is a big difference, with the headphone output you're going through the internal DAC to the internal headphone amp. The dock connector streams out the digital signal bypassing the internal DAC and headphone amp. If you route it to a good external DAC and amp you get much better audio then connecting the headphone output.
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Um, digital signal? I dont think so. Isnt it basically a line-level output? IE, really low volume so an external amp can be connected without distortion?
 
Oyeve said:
Um, digital signal? I dont think so. Isnt it basically a line-level output? IE, really low volume so an external amp can be connected without distortion?
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Ah yeah you're right, for some reason I thought it was but it just bypasses the headphone amp. Still it should sound different from using the headphone output.

Edit: I guess some units are able to bypass the internal DAC as well, but they need a special license or something: http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=605&Title=The amazing iD100
 
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