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Skunkwourk

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Tell him you feel that you aren't learning anything from him. Just let him know how you feel and that you don't want to continue with the training the way he does it.

that never works with asian parents.

Do you think you can spar with both your father and that other guy? If possible I would, and just tell your dad that you don't want to get used to just sparring with one person.
 

Zanix

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Go to another teacher and come back and wtfpwn your dad.. then go have victory sex with your mom. Score!

what was that guys name... oh yeah Oedipus!


Banging your mom... ftw? :shocked:
 

JeffD1121

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pay attention enuff to what he is doing. anticipate.

come on, you know hes gonna come at you soon. watch out for it. watch his breathing, how he moves differently when he comes at you and then strikes.

mix it up. come after him.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Originally posted by: DaShen
I am serious guys... cut it out.

guys....stop....seriously guys, thats enough

/7 y/o voice

No, a 7 year-old is more like:

guys. stop. guys. guuuyyyyysss. guys. GUYS! guuuuyyyyyssss. stop. guys. guys. guys. guys. GUUYYYYSSS. guys. guuuyyyyyyyyayayayayayayyyysssss. guys. GUYS. stop. guuyyssss. guuuuyyyysssssssssssspztz. GUYS. GUYS. GUYS. GUUUUYYYYYSSSS. guys. stop. guys. guys. guys. guys. guys. GUUUYYYSSSS. guys. stop. guys. GUYS. guuuyyyyysss. huff. GUYS! guys. guuuyyyysss. stop. guys. guuuyyyysss.


DaShen, what I'm saying in no uncertain terms is that you and martial arts don't mix. You clearly lack disciprine.

;)

You are talking to someone who is very disciplined. I go above and beyond when I set my mind to something. I mean, I am alreay a Cat 3 rider in cycling after only 1.5 years. I wasn't even supposed to play basketball after my injuries, but I just worked hard on the therapies and I am playing again (not the same way, but I am still playing).

I don't mind the pain and bruises, at all. And I would like to learn. I just don't think I am learning anything.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: JeffD1121
pay attention enuff to what he is doing. anticipate.

come on, you know hes gonna come at you soon. watch out for it. watch his breathing, how he moves differently when he comes at you and then strikes.

mix it up. come after him.

Apparrently, you have never sparred against someone who is 40+ years more experinced then you are at martial arts because if my dad wants to knock me down, he literally can with one hand tied behind his back.
 

rudder

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maybe he watched to many of those cheesy kung fu movies. Ever try talking to him?
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: rudder
maybe he watched to many of those cheesy kung fu movies. Ever try talking to him?

Yeah, but he is asian.

Asian fathers, are supposed to be extremely hard on their sons. It is the way they show concern. Plus, I think my dad just likes sparring too much.
 

JeffD1121

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your missing the point.

hes trying to get you to react and get you to think about what he is doing to make you fall over with one hand tied behind his back.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: rudder
maybe he watched to many of those cheesy kung fu movies. Ever try talking to him?

Yeah, but he is asian.

guess that is where i am lost. You are fortunate your dad gets to spend time with you. You would hate to see that opportunity wasted. Lie to him and sayyou got beat up because you did not have a grasp of the basics and you want to review.
 

Skunkwourk

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Originally posted by: JeffD1121
your missing the point.

hes trying to get you to react and get you to think about what he is doing to make you fall over with one hand tied behind his back.

so are you saying he should just punch his dad when he isn't looking, and say "you should have anticipated that"?
 

JeffD1121

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Originally posted by: Eghck
Originally posted by: JeffD1121
your missing the point.

hes trying to get you to react and get you to think about what he is doing to make you fall over with one hand tied behind his back.

so are you saying he should just punch his dad when he isn't looking, and say "you should have anticipated that"?


if his dad is doing that to him, yes.

this guy loves martiaql arts right?
maby im way off base here but i think in a strange messed up martial arts way, that his dad will appreciate how he is trying to fight back instead of just getting knocked over all the time.

no offence top the op. i know youre trying, and that youre dad is being a hard ass.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: JeffD1121
your missing the point.

hes trying to get you to react and get you to think about what he is doing to make you fall over with one hand tied behind his back.

man, that just seems like you got that from a cheesy kung fu movie. ;)

my dad doesn't work that way. he is a really nice guy, when he knocks me down or anyone down, he is cheerful the whole time. He is quite literally playing with you when you spar with him. He trains still everyday in the morning, like clockwork, and sparring helps him retain his abilities even if the person isn't as good. He never goes hard enough on me for any lasting damage, just a few bruises and soreness because he is good enough to control the level of power he puts into anything. Although one time he went a little harder than usual or mistimed the blow and I was hurting for the next week. Still went back though. ;) But everyone that trains with us can tell he is much harder on me than the rest.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Zanix
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Go to another teacher and come back and wtfpwn your dad.. then go have victory sex with your mom. Score!

what was that guys name... oh yeah Oedipus!
Yeah, that's the refreence I was going for there.. looks like it fell a bit short.

Oh well. Onward and upward to other threads.
 

JeffD1121

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Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: JeffD1121
your missing the point.

hes trying to get you to react and get you to think about what he is doing to make you fall over with one hand tied behind his back.

man, that just seems like you got that from a cheesy kung fu movie. ;)

my dad doesn't work that way. he is a really nice guy, when he knocks me down or anyone down, he is cheerful the whole time. He is quite literally playing with you when you spar with him. He trains still everyday in the morning, like clockwork, and sparring helps him retain his abilities even if the person isn't as good. He never goes hard enough on me for any lasting damage, just a few bruises and soreness because he is good enough to control the level of power he puts into anything. Although one time he went a little harder than usual or mistimed the blow and I was hurting for the next week. Still went back though. ;) But everyone that trains with us can tell he is much harder on me than the rest.



i :heart: ceesy kung fu
 

Kelemvor

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I'd take classes at an actual martial arts school with isntructors that have been trained in isntructing.
 

hg321

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Why don't you just find somebody else to train/refresh you on the basics and still spar with your father. Maybe as you get better you will learn something from him instead of just getting knocked down
 

pontifex

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dude, if he was a teacher for the military, he must know what he's doing.

maybe you're the one with the problem?
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: pontifex
dude, if he was a teacher for the military, he must know what he's doing.

maybe you're the one with the problem?

Possibly, but I doubt it. He is a pretty good with the other people we spar with because he takes it easy, but when it comes to me, he holds back a lot less.

One of the guys even stopped my fall before I fell into the benches because my dad threw me so hard. The other guy will try to spar with me more now so that I don't have to spar as much with my dad (I didn't ask him to do this but he does it anyways), but it is still annoying because my dad especially wants to spar with me.

I know he is being especially hard with me because I am the son, but sometimes it is ridiculous.
 

sourceninja

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What is the ruleset you are sparing under?

MMA type rules where anything goes except for grion strikes, eye gouges and finger locks? Or a more standup type of sparing with just kicks and punches?

Its my opinion that if you are going to learn martial arts you need to learn all the ranges, ground work, clinch work, and striking. I train in aikido, judo, bjj, and muay thai (weird combo I know, but the aikido is done more as a pastime thing, the others are done for competition). I use the muay thai for range with some clinch, the judo for throws and the bjj/judo for ground work (mostly judo, just got into bjj).

If he is training you full contact in all of these ranges then you should learn everything you can. Get a few fights under your belt and open a gym. MMA gyms are charging huge amounts with the success of ultimate fighter on spike tv. I've seen bjj clubs raise rates from judo levels (about 120 bucks for 3 months) to over 85.00 a month (This is in the midwest).

Its really up to you in the end. You dont have to be a violent or agressive person to fight. Fighting is just a skill, it can be used agressivly and passivly. I fight for sport, i'm not the kind of person who wants to fight on the street. I'm not trying to hurt the person I'm fighting and I'm not angry with them. They are just a guy who is competing with me. We are both out there to win, not kill each other. But at the same time, the enviroment could be too hostile to train. I've been a serveral gyms where it was about winning at all costs. The teachers would just wreck you. It was no fun. A good teacher will work with you at the top of your skill level, but not just dominate you.

However, I can't stress enough that good MMA training is hard to find. I dont know if that is what you are getting. If you could describe the sparing and rules a little more I am very interested in hearing what he is teaching. If the ruleset is not formalized, and you can do anything but you have always been doing standup striking, go train some bjj/judo and change the 'rules'. Never fight a man on his own terms, learn to work under your 'rules'. I'm a grappler. I dont like striking. I'm going to try to take you and throw you, then i'm going to try to break your arm/leg/neck or choke you out. When I spar guys from karate or other standup arts they have no idea how to deal with a guy who throws them. They dont know what to do when you throw a choke on. Its even better if they have never spared full contact (like ata tkd guys). I love nothing better then meeting a black belt who has never spared full contact and getting him to spar me. They fall apart the first time they take a solid hit.

Anways, i'm very interested. Give me some more info. I love to hear about how people train martial arts.