Unreal Tournament 3 titan patch is out and steam is offering the game for $12 till March 22nd!

[evident]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Jbourne you can say it all you like but Epic failed with UT3, they knew they did, and the game is broken, simply because of the UI. This has been proven time and again by countless UT fans. Sorry.

LOL

They failed with UT3 because they keep trying to entertain clowns like us with an outdated style of play and because they keep trying to achieve conflicting goals with the franchise.

You say that it failed simply because of the UI (which is an opinion, not a fact, Sparky), yet there are people right here in this thread who say that their problem with the game is that it's too similar to UT2k4 and UT99.

I appreciate that you employ such absolutes in your arguments, though. It makes it much easier to refute, since all I need is one counterexample to derail it.

There are THREE main arguments I routinely encounter when people try to explain UT3's failure:

1. The UI
2. It's too much like UT2k4
3. It's too much like UT99

Once in awhile you get "it's too much like UT2k4 AND UT99" (which we just saw above). This coupled with reasons 2 and 3 ought to tell a thinking man something very obvious: the fanbase is split, and split enormously, and trying to appease all 3 camps is a conflicting goal.

Likewise, Epic can't try to create the feel of those other games without being accused of failing to innovate. If they do try to innovate, they're accused of abandoning loyal fans.

It's a no-win situation, especially with a style of play that is outdated and not in demand.

But by all means, continue deluding yourself into thinking it's all the UI's fault. Despite mountains of evidence that the issue is far more complicated than that, at least the UI argument is suitable to narrow thinking.

i think it failed because there are too many different types of fricking game play, therefore it looks like no one is playing anything :|

 

[I4AT]

So are there basically 2 different games now, one for Steam and one for retail/Gamespy? I bought the game retail and didn't bother registering with Steam, but tonight I just tried to play with a friend who registered it on Steam and I couldn't connect to his server. Do I need to register with Steam as well if I want to play with my friend, or am I experiencing a different problem?

 

[dguy6789]

Probably a different problem. Steam and non Steam players should be able to play on the same servers.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Quake Live is just Quake 3 with a new UI and presentation. It's insanely popular. Quake Live proves your theory that people don't want to play this type of game to be wrong. It also proves that a new UI can change everything when it comes to player base.

"Insanely popular" isn't very quantifiable, but yeah, it probably has nothing to do with the fact that it has (virtually) ZERO SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS and is accessible to anyone with a PC FOR FREE.

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Originally posted by: evident
i think it failed because there are too many different types of fricking game play, therefore it looks like no one is playing anything :|

I have no doubt that this is a significant part of the problem. When your game has 20k+ players online, you can afford to have a ton of modes. But when you don't have enough players to support the modes, you instigate a vicious cycle: players in each mode have problems finding games, so they feel the game isn't popular and they leave. Now there are fewer players. Wash, rinse, repeat. Mutators make this even more of a problem and make the game even less "noob-friendly".

This is exactly why the inclusion of BR, Dom, and Assault would have been disastrous. There's already too much choice in this game; Greed and Betrayal may have helped the numbers tentatively, but the 2 additional modes will ultimately be a detriment.

 

[minmaster]

can someone tell me where i can find what all the F-keys do in UT3? it's becoming a PITA trying to see everyone's pings among other things.

 

[wahoyaho]

Still no assault

 

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