Unreal II Engine vs. DOOM III Engine...

[idNut]

What do you think will look better? I don't know anything about the Unreal II engine but I do know the DOOM III engine looks *uckin awesome. Surely Unreal II uses bumpmaps right? Also, do you guys think that Digital Extremes feels it's already beat with DOOM III? I think they got whooped with Quake III it seems. I barely know anyone who still plays UT but Quake III is still ubiquitous. Now I don't know about Quake II vs. Unreal back then. Who sold more then?

 

[DefRef]

I answered your Carmack vs. Romero thread, but this is just juvenille troll bait. Unreal Warfare is where tech is NOW and Doom III will be where tech is NEXT YEAR.

Unreal LOOKED better than Quake 2, but Q2 had far superior network code and dominated online play as a result. Q3 looked great and played great, but UT was a better overall game with better variety of levels, weapons and game types to compensate for slightly less glitzy graphics.

As for the idiotic, ". I barely know anyone who still plays UT but Quake III is still ubiquitous." comment, let's look at the GameSpy stats for this moment:

Half-Life: 21061 servers, 74114 players

Medal of Honor Allied Assault: 927 servers, 5459 players

Quake 3: Arena: 2708 servers, 4012 players

Unreal Tournament: 2835 servers, 3597 players

Return to Castle Wolfenstein: 1015 servers, 3155 players

Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast: 846 servers, 2083 players

Soldier of Fortune 2: 371 servers, 2050 players

If anyone's whoopin' anyone, it's HALF-LIFE!!! By the time you realize that CS accounts for a lot of that lead, you realize that over THREE TIMES as many people are playing HL and mods than the next six games COMBINED.

Your handle advertises your prejudices nicely, but you should change it to a more accurate handle: iDiot

G'bye!

 

[kami]

If anyone's whoopin' anyone, it's HALF-LIFE!!! By the time you realize that CS accounts for a lot of that lead, you realize that over THREE TIMES as many people are playing HL and mods than the next six games COMBINED.

You do realize that Half Life is basically the quake1 engine on steroids right?

Why did you take his post so personally?

Anyway, his question is valid since many new games will use the unreal engine, and many will use the doom3 engine. They will be competing against eachother, regardless of what you think. Doom3 will obviously be superior.

 

[vash]

Being that I've seen both Doom3 and UT2003 and I'm a FPS junkie, I'll chime in.

The most visually pleasing game that I've seen so far is UT2003. Any engine built off that, or modded to be better than that UT2003 is running is definitely purty.

However, what was shown at E3, for Doom3, Doom3 is going to beat the pants off anything else out there. There is no doubt the Doom3 is the most visually pleasing game that I've seen to this date and I'm sure that won't change for a bit.

On the performance side of things, these games are neck and neck, no doubt. Doom3 is supposedly gonna run at 30fps on a GF3, the America's Army demo is running around 30fps on my TI500 (at the slowest points). JohnC does a lot of hand optimizing with asm, so that probably gets the extra push out of hardware vs. UT2003 and relying on DX8 for their performance.

vash

 

[NeoV]

Half Life is the Quake 2 graphics engine with their own mods to it...started off as Quake 1 graphic engine, upped to Q2 though...

UT2003 does look good, but it is just a newer version of the original UT engine with some new stuff..

The Unreal 'Warfare' engine is going to be the one to compete with Doom 3's...not UT2003 or Unreal II

 

[apoppin]

To answer the question . . . no idea . . . but I am looking forward to playing BOTH of them.

 

[JellyBaby]

I get a lot more excited about good games, not just visual engines.

 

[DefRef]

kami: I'd answered another of his posts and then saw this one and he's clearly just trolling for Id bait. His assertion was that UT is dead meat when it's only ~10% behind Q3 was specious and his "question" wasn't an honest query. He should've posted, "Id is da shiz and UT is suck." and forgone the insincere poll. The HL stats were just cuz I copied the whole page.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
I get a lot more excited about good games, not just visual engines.

Well, Unreal was an excellent (if also very good looking) game. I am really looking forward to II. I got just as caught up in it as Half-Life (although it seemed to start slower).

I never really liked Doom as well . . . but I am willing to give III a go.

BTW, JellyBaby, are there any current (FPS type) games you are playing that you are (really) "excited" about? Nothing here for me (after RtCW) so I am currently playing Deus Ex and Thief II (which I never finished).

I guess, since I don't have any "new" game I am really looking forward to Unreal II and Doom III (heck, I'm even upgrading my computer to P4/RDRAM in anticipation).

 

[JellyBaby]

apoppin, well let's see....I bought Undying on the cheap and it's pretty good though frustrating at times....UT engine I believe. I still have to finish that game. Star Wars: Jedi Outcast has excellent multiplayer and I felt the singleplayer game was great, too, though I don't recommend it for you since you enjoyed Serious (waste of time) Sam so much. Outcast has puzzles.

 

[UNCjigga]

Does anyone seriously believe that Doom III will look that good AND run smooth when MULTIPLAYER is involved? For all intents and purposes, we can safely assume that Doom III will be SINGLE PLAYER ONLY...much like the Resident Evil/Alone in the Dark games that it simulates. Not that there's anything wrong with that--there is still much to be said about single player PC play (just look at the GTA3C sales!!!)

Doom III has a lot more to do with developing the original plotline of Doom and making it a more horrific and satisfying single player game. From all the screenshots we've seen, there are very few monsters on the screen at once. I really don't think this engine can handle multiplayer as well as the new UNREAL engine can.

Sure, Doom III is still a year away, and I'm sure there are many more tweaks to come and the hardware is always getting faster, but in a few months you'll all realize why so many developers have signed on to use the UNREAL engine--it is BUILT for multiplayer!

 

[Shagga]

Right, I've seen the Unreal technology demo and that looks incredible. I've seen the E3 demo of Doom3, again the lighting, models and textures look awesome. Just a point I'd like to make or moreso an observation. Remember the old argument about Quake 1 and Unreal, where Quake 1 was all "browns" and Unreal was colurfull and vibrant. Anyone else noticed that "id" has gone down the "dark" theme again.

Now I know some would argue that to be truely scared a dark environment adds to this but I'm not too sure. The original Doom made me jump outta my skin on many occasios and that was not "dark". I wonder if the return to the "dark" side by id is in an attempt to boost performance when comparing like for like against the new Unreal offering.

Either way I'm looking forward to both, however I am expecting big things from Doom3. They dare not disappoint, do they?

 

[JellyBaby]

Shagga, From what I understand Doom3 excels at whiz-bang lighting effects. So it makes sense for Doom3 to return to dark textures and environments...after all, there's no real need for lighting effects if you're rendering a bright, sunny day.

The darkness never bothered me so much as the choice of brown and gray palettes did. I think that was more a deficiency in id's artists because if you play a game like Thief you'll have a totally different view of the dark.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
apoppin, well let's see....I bought Undying on the cheap and it's pretty good though frustrating at times....UT engine I believe. I still have to finish that game. Star Wars: Jedi Outcast has excellent multiplayer and I felt the singleplayer game was great, too, though I don't recommend it for you since you enjoyed Serious (waste of time) Sam so much. Outcast has puzzles.

Thanks JB, I didn't think there was anything new to get "excited" about . . . SW, Jedi Outcast - console port . . . no thanks. I didn't enjoy Serious Sam THAT much - the SE was too much of the same thing as the FE (you finished it, didn't you - ) - It was "fun" but nothing like Half-Life, Unreal or (as I am finding now) Deus Ex (Max Payne is a much better game than Sam).

That's why I am playing the older "classics" now . . . and looking forward to Doom III and Unreal II.

 

[JellyBaby]

SW, Jedi Outcast - console port

Nah Outcast was designed for the PC. LucasArts had a game called Obi Wan for the XPlop but that never saw the light of day on the PC. Outcast's multiplayer is truly fun, though. Once you kill with a lightsabre, doing it with guns just seems lame.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

SW, Jedi Outcast - console port

Nah Outcast was designed for the PC. LucasArts had a game called Obi Wan for the XPlop but that never saw the light of day on the PC. Outcast's multiplayer is truly fun, though. Once you kill with a lightsabre, doing it with guns just seems lame.

I can't do multiplayer (yet) as I am still on dial-up (till October 17th when my free 8 months of Dellnet/MSN expires). THEN I will have cable (if I am still living in San Diego) and will look forward to multiplayer. Thanks for the info . . . I was wrong about Outcast.

Puzzles are annoying (as in console games) but I survived several (as in MDK2).

 

[JellyBaby]

but I survived several (as in MDK2).

Then you're a better man than I. I gave up on MDK2...there was one level with death drops everywhere and no obvious route to take. As soon as you begin the level you're bombarded by some stupid boss monster who is tearing the level apart with its attacks so you can't sit still for a moment and look around. After trying and dying 12 times or so I gave up in disgust.

I prefer the more cerebral puzzles as my reflexes are not what they once were.

 

[apoppin]

Only twelve times? What a quitter!



J/K'ing.



EDIT: Quicksave is your friend.

 

[Rebel7254]

Originally posted by: NeoV
Half Life is the Quake 2 graphics engine with their own mods to it...started off as Quake 1 graphic engine, upped to Q2 though...

UT2003 does look good, but it is just a newer version of the original UT engine with some new stuff..

The Unreal 'Warfare' engine is going to be the one to compete with Doom 3's...not UT2003 or Unreal II

That's incorrect. UT2003 is a new engine separate from UT. UT2003 uses the Unreal Warfare engine. "UT2003 is powered by the Unreal Warfare engine, the same engine being used in Unreal 2 and Unreal Championship." www.planetunreal.com/ut2003 - See for yourself.

 

[JellyBaby]

Quicksave is your friend.

Quicksaves are for the weak.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

Quicksave is your friend.

Quicksaves are for the weak.

At least I got to finish the game.

 

[JellyBaby]

At least I got to finish the game

I'm very glad I didn't. What's the point of laboring through an unfun level only to face more unfun levels? It wasn't like I was really enjoying the game anyway. The first 2-3 levels were fun but it went downhill fast. Definitely too "consoly" for moi.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

At least I got to finish the game

I'm very glad I didn't. What's the point of laboring through an unfun level only to face more unfun levels? It wasn't like I was really enjoying the game anyway. The first 2-3 levels were fun but it went downhill fast. Definitely too "consoly" for moi.

Because it (eventually) got better and better with a cool final battle and ending. You quit too early, IMO.

And yes, it was too much of a console-type game for me also (but I still gave it thumb's up).

 

[JellyBaby]

You quit too early, IMO.

Funny, I had a GF who once told me that.