Unreal 3 engine and the 6800U/X800pro

[zakee00]

very cool stuff. im pretty sure ill upgrade my system next in 2006, the U3 generation of hardware. it said that it will be playable with a 6800 series, but on lower end settings.

 

[heedoyiu]

Hey this is a link to an interview with the programmers making the game, they are creating it with a 6800.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=55942

 

[Malak]

Nvidia's 'The Way It's Meant To Be Played' programme is basically a quality seal for customers to say if I own an Nvidia card - which the majority of gamers do - and I buy this game it's going to work and when Nvidia releases a new driver they probably would have tested it against it to make sure it still works, and that's really important for us, because it means that when our game shows up on people's screens, regardless of what Nvidia card they have, the best possible way it could run on that card - because they're not all equal in performance.

Mark is an idiot. And since they aren't even making unreal3, chances are I won't be touching this engine well past 2006. I can see an RPG would be cool on this engine, but I think I'll pass.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: malak

Nvidia's 'The Way It's Meant To Be Played' programme is basically a quality seal for customers to say if I own an Nvidia card - which the majority of gamers do - and I buy this game it's going to work and when Nvidia releases a new driver they probably would have tested it against it to make sure it still works, and that's really important for us, because it means that when our game shows up on people's screens, regardless of what Nvidia card they have, the best possible way it could run on that card - because they're not all equal in performance.

Mark is an idiot. And since they aren't even making unreal3, chances are I won't be touching this engine well past 2006. I can see an RPG would be cool on this engine, but I think I'll pass.

They arnt making Unreal 3 anymore? Where did u hear this?

 

[Malak]

They never were. It says right in that interview. They have no plans for unreal 3. They said they will probably make it, but not anytime soon. They are developing some other random game that isn't based on the unreal franchise, just using the unreal3 engine. After that they will probably do UT2006/7.

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: SonicIce

Originally posted by: xclusivex
when is unreal 3 and the new cards supposed to be expected? I was really looking forward to getting a SLI build going but if its worth waiting for a next generation card and saving the $800 then thats what ill do.

Thats exactly why I think SLI is a waste.

The point of SLI is to buy one card say a 6800 GT and in a year or so buy another one essentially doubling your performance... in a year or so the 6800 Series is not going to be costing you 350-400 a pop so its not going to cost that much at all at all. You get to enjoy good performance with a 6800 GT RIGHT NOW and then again IN THE FUTURE when you add another one for a significantly lower price.

 

[Edward Lee]

SLI is a waste

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Edward Lee
SLI is a waste

After all the posts you made about it and you still don't get it.
:shocked:

:roll:

 

[drpootums]

another thought, Epic has always made good engines for lower end hardware. Heck, i could play UT2k3 on my old HP with 700mhz celeron, 320mb's of ram, and a PCI GeForceMX 420 with (get this) NOT ALL OF THE SETTINGS ON LOWEST!!!!!. And it still ran very smooth. Same way with their unreal 2 engine, Epic's engines dont hog resources like most engines do.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: drpootums
another thought, Epic has always made good engines for lower end hardware. Heck, i could play UT2k3 on my old HP with 700mhz celeron, 320mb's of ram, and a PCI GeForceMX 420 with (get this) NOT ALL OF THE SETTINGS ON LOWEST!!!!!. And it still ran very smooth. Same way with their unreal 2 engine, Epic's engines dont hog resources like most engines do.

not necessarily . . . try playing DeuSex: Invisible War on anything less than an 9800p.
:roll:

We really don't know. Clearly the folks at Unreal have to balance cutting edge gfx with playability on midrange systems. We DO know that it will be DX9 minimum - the older cards 8500/GF4 won't run at all as they won't waste time coding alternate paths. Clearly they won't commit financial suicide by making their engine work only on the top 10% of gaming rigs.

They must strive for balance . . . . i'd say in 18 months (edit a guess) when it is out, the minimum card will be a 9800p . . . . the 6800 series and x800 should do fine BUT only the latest and greatest - nv50/r520 - will showcase the game in all it's 'glory'.


As to Unreal III . . . . the people at Unreal have separated their engine from the games (unlike id) . . . . there will probably be a Unreal III (even after the disappointment that was Unreal II - but not the disaster that is Doom iii and there will be a Doom IV) but it is not tied to the Unreal Warefare Engine third version . . . ONE of their games will come out that showcases the Unreal III engine.

 

[drpootums]

As for trying to play Invisible War on anything less than a 9800pro, my friend with a slightly oc'ed ti4200 and an XP 2000+ can play that game, HL2, Farcry, Doom 3 (like i've said) with medium details at high frame rates. I guess we never can tell, but i'm guessing that NV40/R400 cards will do good enough. With the help of PS 3, 64-bit cpu, and 1.5/2 GB's of ram i think nvidia-AMD combo will do pretty well with this game IMO.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: drpootums
As for trying to play Invisible War on anything less than a 9800pro, my friend with a slightly oc'ed ti4200 and an XP 2000+ can play that game, HL2, Farcry, Doom 3 (like i've said) with medium details at high frame rates. I guess we never can tell, but i'm guessing that NV40/R400 cards will do good enough. With the help of PS 3, 64-bit cpu, and 1.5/2 GB's of ram i think nvidia-AMD combo will do pretty well with this game IMO.

it may "play" but there is no shadows and lightings . . . . it looks pretty bad . . . . it also "ran" on my Radeon 8500-128MB . . . . actually, DE:IW and Thief - DS were the REASON i UPgraded to a 9800xt.
:roll:


by '06, the 9800p will be a low-end card - where the i4200s and 8500s are now.
(and it'll probably "run" Unreal III engine)
:roll:

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: drpootums
another thought, Epic has always made good engines for lower end hardware. Heck, i could play UT2k3 on my old HP with 700mhz celeron, 320mb's of ram, and a PCI GeForceMX 420 with (get this) NOT ALL OF THE SETTINGS ON LOWEST!!!!!. And it still ran very smooth. Same way with their unreal 2 engine, Epic's engines dont hog resources like most engines do.

not necessarily . . . try playing DeuSex: Invisible War on anything less than an 9800p.
:roll:

We really don't know. Clearly the folks at Unreal have to balance cutting edge gfx with playability on midrange systems. We DO know that it will be DX9 minimum - the older cards 8500/GF4 won't run at all as they won't waste time coding alternate paths. Clearly they won't commit financial suicide by making their engine work only on the top 10% of gaming rigs.

They must strive for balance . . . . i'd say in 18 months (edit a guess) when it is out, the minimum card will be a 9800p . . . . the 6800 series and x800 should do fine BUT only the latest and greatest - nv50/r520 - will showcase the game in all it's 'glory'.


As to Unreal III . . . . the people at Unreal have separated their engine from the games (unlike id) . . . . there will probably be a Unreal III (even after the disappointment that was Unreal II - but not the disaster that is Doom iii and there will be a Doom IV) but it is not tied to the Unreal Warefare Engine third version . . . ONE of their games will come out that showcases the Unreal III engine.

Unreal 2 the game, was in fact made by a different developer, they are called Legend Entertainment, they, Epic only had say in its graphics engine, but not the game content, so put the blame on Legend, as they did make a disaster of a game, which most ppl didnt like, tho i didnt mind it myself.

Epic are in fact, actually making Unreal 3. From an interview, i dont think i stated it in my last post, they said that all the they wouldnt have made all those monsters and stuff that like if they werent gonna make a game. Hoping its actually called Unreal 3 tho. So it could be a totally different game, but my bet is on it being called Unreal 3, or Unreal (something)

 

[drpootums]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: drpootums
As for trying to play Invisible War on anything less than a 9800pro, my friend with a slightly oc'ed ti4200 and an XP 2000+ can play that game, HL2, Farcry, Doom 3 (like i've said) with medium details at high frame rates. I guess we never can tell, but i'm guessing that NV40/R400 cards will do good enough. With the help of PS 3, 64-bit cpu, and 1.5/2 GB's of ram i think nvidia-AMD combo will do pretty well with this game IMO.

it may "play" but there is no shadows and lightings . . . . it looks pretty bad . . . . it also "ran" on my Radeon 8500-128MB . . . . actually, DE:IW and Thief - DS were the REASON i UPgraded to a 9800xt.
:roll:


by '06, the 9800p will be a low-end card - where the i4200s and 8500s are now.
(and it'll probably "run" Unreal III engine)
:roll:

Theif: DS runs very well on his 4200 with all shadows and high details. His comp is over 2 years old now and is aging well (so to speak). His brother's XP 3000+ with FX5700 ultra runs better, but nothing to get excited about.

 

[apoppin]

thanks for clarifying, i thought Unreal/Epic had a little more 'responsibility' for the game content then they admit. . . . actually i liked Unreal II: The Awakening and replayed it when i got a dx9 card . . . . it just wasn't quite the groundbreaker as the original Unreal II

i thought they were making Unreal III but wasn't sure of the timeline re: Unreal Warfare Engine. . . . .

edit

Originally posted by: drpootums
As for trying to play Invisible War on anything less than a 9800pro, my friend with a slightly oc'ed ti4200 and an XP 2000+ can play that game, HL2, Farcry, Doom 3 (like i've said) with medium details at high frame rates. I guess we never can tell, but i'm guessing that NV40/R400 cards will do good enough. With the help of PS 3, 64-bit cpu, and 1.5/2 GB's of ram i think nvidia-AMD combo will do pretty well with this game IMO.

it may "play" but there is no shadows and lightings . . . . it looks pretty bad . . . . it also "ran" on my Radeon 8500-128MB . . . . actually, DE:IW and Thief - DS were the REASON i UPgraded to a 9800xt.
:roll:


by '06, the 9800p will be a low-end card - where the i4200s and 8500s are now.
(and it'll probably "run" Unreal III engine)
:roll:[/quote]

Theif: DS runs very well on his 4200 with all shadows and high details. His comp is over 2 years old now and is aging well (so to speak). His brother's XP 3000+ with FX5700 ultra runs better, but nothing to get excited about.[/quote]
You don't get it . . .

the cards you mention don't even SHOW the shadows and lighting that the DX9 cards can render. It looks like CRAP on those cards even though the FPS might be OK. Check out the SAME games on a 9800p (or better) . . . it looks SO MUCH better,

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Drayvn
Epic are in fact, actually making Unreal 3. From an interview, i dont think i stated it in my last post, they said that all the they wouldnt have made all those monsters and stuff that like if they werent gonna make a game. Hoping its actually called Unreal 3 tho. So it could be a totally different game, but my bet is on it being called Unreal 3, or Unreal (something)

That interview already linked clearly shows the Vice President saying they are not making unreal 3. They aren't even making any games on the unreal franchise. He says they are making a yet unannounced game for a whole new franchise, and have no plans for an unreal 3. After this game they are working on they are going to work on the next UT. It could be 2007 before anyone sees another unreal.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Drayvn
Epic are in fact, actually making Unreal 3. From an interview, i dont think i stated it in my last post, they said that all the they wouldnt have made all those monsters and stuff that like if they werent gonna make a game. Hoping its actually called Unreal 3 tho. So it could be a totally different game, but my bet is on it being called Unreal 3, or Unreal (something)

That interview already linked clearly shows the Vice President saying they are not making unreal 3. They aren't even making any games on the unreal franchise. He says they are making a yet unannounced game for a whole new franchise, and have no plans for an unreal 3. After this game they are working on they are going to work on the next UT. It could be 2007 before anyone sees another unreal.

Even tho he said they were gonna make an Unreal game for sure....

And i did say also in my posts that i could be wrong and that itt would be called something else...

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Drayvn
Epic are in fact, actually making Unreal 3. From an interview, i dont think i stated it in my last post, they said that all the they wouldnt have made all those monsters and stuff that like if they werent gonna make a game. Hoping its actually called Unreal 3 tho. So it could be a totally different game, but my bet is on it being called Unreal 3, or Unreal (something)

That interview already linked clearly shows the Vice President saying they are not making unreal 3. They aren't even making any games on the unreal franchise. He says they are making a yet unannounced game for a whole new franchise, and have no plans for an unreal 3. After this game they are working on they are going to work on the next UT. It could be 2007 before anyone sees another unreal.

It is UNREAL ENGINE 3, not UNREAL 3 THE GAME.

That is where the confusion is coming from.

Unreal engine 3 is the 3rd gen unreal engine, as opposed to unreal 3, which would be the 3rd version of Epics single player unreal game.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: malak

Nvidia's 'The Way It's Meant To Be Played' programme is basically a quality seal for customers to say if I own an Nvidia card - which the majority of gamers do - and I buy this game it's going to work and when Nvidia releases a new driver they probably would have tested it against it to make sure it still works, and that's really important for us, because it means that when our game shows up on people's screens, regardless of what Nvidia card they have, the best possible way it could run on that card - because they're not all equal in performance.

Mark is an idiot. And since they aren't even making unreal3, chances are I won't be touching this engine well past 2006. I can see an RPG would be cool on this engine, but I think I'll pass.

They arnt making Unreal 3 anymore? Where did u hear this?

they arent making unreal 3, theyre making the unreal 3 engine coz that what they're upto (UT2004 runs on the Unreal 2 engine)

thats what he means

jus pointing out.

(maybe u knew that already and thought they were making the game as well....so sorry if i jus answered the wrong question)

 

[Drayvn]

Well they arent making Unreal 3 the game at the mo, but he did state that they will.

For now the monsters and all the locations are to be used in the forthcoming game anyway, whatever its called.

I just hope they havent spent all their time making the engine and tack on a shoddy singleplayer campaign. *Cough cough* Doom 3

 

[m4ch0dude]

I doubt that epic would be so ignorant as to make an engine that cant even run on current high end cards. They probably meant that to use the full benefit of the engine, with the highest settings, will require a future generation video card. I haven't seen any cards that support 64bit color, let alone the process the huge amounts of geometry and fragment data the game will likely have. But that doesn't mean they will not let you set the graphics detail to a lower level that lets current video cards run the game at a playable fps. I mean, even my 9000pro will run doom3 on lower settings, and that game was designed for high end cards also.

And I definitely would not recommend waiting 1-2 years for the game to come out before upgrading a video card, but at the same time, I wouldn't spend $500 on a card that in 6 months will cost half that price either.

 

[heedoyiu]

very true i do not think they will seperate themsevles from so many people