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coolred

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Well, I was out an about today and decided to stop by a half price books store. Managed to find a copy of Moving to Linux, Kiss the BSoD goodbye by Marcel Gagne. It came with a slightly moddified version of Knoppix.

I have been doing some work on my computer lately since I had just upgraded some stuff and was having trouble with the reinstall of XP. In th emean time, I popped the disk in and rebooted, and started just looking around a bit. Worked fine and everything. Well I finally got my XP install fixed(I think) and I decided to go back to knoppix for some more exploring. Only now it won't boot. It loads up a splash screen, giving me the option of pressing F2 for help, or typing in some commands, or hitting enter to continue botting. I hit enter and am greeted by Tux at the top left of my screen, as he was the first time. I also get an error sating it only found 1 processor(me new board was a dual Opteron board, but currently only has one optty in it)I got this same error the first time. Then it should have gone on with some mroe stuff that kinda looked like the info in your boot.ini file. Ya know something like partion/rdisk, blah blah blah, whatever. And then it goes on through its loading and detecting software and eventually loads.

Well now after I get the processor error, it appears to stop, if I let it sit for a bit it will give me some of the partition/rdisk crap, but not as much as before, and then it appears to stop completely, going no further. What did I mess up and how do I fix it?
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: coolred
Well, I was out an about today and decided to stop by a half price books store. Managed to find a copy of Moving to Linux, Kiss the BSoD goodbye by Marcel Gagne. It came with a slightly moddified version of Knoppix.

I have been doing some work on my computer lately since I had just upgraded some stuff and was having trouble with the reinstall of XP. In th emean time, I popped the disk in and rebooted, and started just looking around a bit. Worked fine and everything. Well I finally got my XP install fixed(I think) and I decided to go back to knoppix for some more exploring. Only now it won't boot. It loads up a splash screen, giving me the option of pressing F2 for help, or typing in some commands, or hitting enter to continue botting. I hit enter and am greeted by Tux at the top left of my screen, as he was the first time. I also get an error sating it only found 1 processor(me new board was a dual Opteron board, but currently only has one optty in it)I got this same error the first time. Then it should have gone on with some mroe stuff that kinda looked like the info in your boot.ini file. Ya know something like partion/rdisk, blah blah blah, whatever. And then it goes on through its loading and detecting software and eventually loads.

Well now after I get the processor error, it appears to stop, if I let it sit for a bit it will give me some of the partition/rdisk crap, but not as much as before, and then it appears to stop completely, going no further. What did I mess up and how do I fix it?

Are there errors on the screen when it stops?
 

coolred

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Um, actually I have new info on this. I let it sit one night while I was busy and it did fully load to the desktop(although my mouse wouldn't move)unfortunately it took about an hour and a half. A little to long for my tastes.

I also did an expert boot once, as that provided more info on what was going on. While I don't know for sure, it certainly seems like it could be a hard drive problem. I get a lot of things saying DMA is incorrect(according to windows my drives are all running at peak speed) a lot of things saying lost interrupt. I also posted ont he knoppix forums, and some suggested using some of the noxxxx cheatcodes, I may give that a try, but am a bit leary. Not sure if its related or not, but after I got it to boot the time it took 1.5 hours, I rebooted without the CD since the mouse wouldn't work, and I got an NTLDR is missing error from windows. And had some other odd harddrive related problems.

One of my drives stopped showing up during BIOS detection an din windows, so I started checking it on differant ribbon cables and using differant power plugs. I know these are all functioning correctly, but yet the only way for botht he drives to be detected is to have each on its own ribbon cable. I know the master/slave settings are right, as one boots on IDE1 as a master and the other boots on IDE2 as a slave. Agian I can't guarentee that had anything to do with knoppix, but it was coincidental. Not to big a deal, since I had just installed XP, so I didn't lose anything when I reinstalled to get rid of the missing NTLDR message.

I am gonna take my computer to my moms this weekend to leach off her broadband, and make sure I get all the microsoft updates. Will also probablly download the ISO's for some of the other distros I wanna try.

Kinda off the linux topic, but I am wondering if I shouldn't just go ahead and instal my legit copy of XP. I admit I am currently using the FCKGW corprate disk, but i do have a full XP Pro version from one of the hot deals a while back. Just never used it since I didn't feel like having to deal with product activation. But I have not been able to effectivly change my CD key to allow me to download SP1. Which is porbablly causeing my machine to be unsecure, but also it is limiting one of my hard drives to roughly half the size it should be.

I hear microsoft is allowing SP2 to work on pirated copies, since making sure every machine is secure is more important then worrying about pirates. But I am a bit worried it will hose my system or phone home to MS and have the Feds kicking in my door.
 

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My thoughts on choosing distros (this is a repost from another thread, I figured I'd stick it here since I went overboard and wrote way to much):

All Linux distros are roughly equal. What one can do, any other distro can do.

That's the nice thing about open source software. Any improvements that get made in one distro can instantly be translated to another one.


That being said what I like is the ability to use advanced package managers like Apt and Yum. These are programs that allow you to download/install programs and updates over the internet.

One of the major hassles with software in Linux is dependances. The idea is that you create functionality in one program or software library that can be used in other programs. So say you download the GTK+ libraries and that can be used by another program to create GUI widgets (the little things like the maximize minimize buttons and standard menus and interfaces). So that way the author of the program can concitrate on the basic functionality of the program rather then wasting his/her time redoing the GUI portion from the low-level up.

So it makes it easier and cheaper to make programs. The downside is that a user has to have GTK+ pre-installed to use that program.

Stuff like that is called "dependancies". In Windows when you install programs your either using the standard Win32 API (the standard set of libraries (*.dll files) and programs in all Windows OSes from Win95 up) or all the third party dependancies are installed along with the program from the installation media.

Linux programs don't do this and expect you to get all the dependancies yourself. They'll tell you in the docs sometimes what to do, but it's up to you to do it.

If you have lots of missing dependancies or version conflicts it can be a big pain. This is called "dependancy hell" and is a major hurdle for new Linux users, next to getting badly supported hardware working properly (such as nvidia motherboards or ATI video cards).

Apt and Yum solve dependancy hell by keeping track of programs and libraries in online repositories. By updating against these repositories you keep your OS patched and up to date, and when you use apt or yum to install programs all the dependancies are pre-calculated and are downloaded/updated/installed in your computer as you need them.

So say to install mplayer you would go "apt-get install mplayer" and it would look for packages that match that name, check out the dependancies and then download the program and all the dependancies and install them and set them up with a initial default configuration. This make things easily.

Or for instance you have a serious security flaw in your OS. So the developers will issue a patch, the package maintainers will create a updated package. Then all you have to do is:

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade

And it'll get fixed. Using yum you would go :

yum update

The 3 distros that do this very well are Debian, Gentoo, and Fedora.

Out of those Fedora is probably the easiest for a Windows user to relate too. Easy graphical installer, and a vast user base. Yum is installed by default and Apt is optional but supported. However the initial packages are limited in scope. Several programs are not normally aviable by the official Fedora sources and you have to rely on third party repositories for many programs. Luckly those third party repositories are of decent quality. Fedora, like all Redhat based distros (like Suse/Mandrake) use RPM packages and have adapted Yum from Yellowdog (powerPC linux) and apt-get from Debian for their distro.

People find Gentoo very satisfing though, since it's minimallist installing approach means that you do everything by hand and people learn a lot from doing this for the first time. However everything is compiled from scratch (optionally) and it can take several hours to complete a full install. Even a day or 2. They have a optional binary install. Gentoo is going to be the most atractive for the "advanced tweaker". Since everything is compiled from source it offers you the most options aviable and many people spend hours figuring out the optimal configuration and compile options for their system. It is based on the portage package management system. The gentoo forums are a great help for many people and offers many learning opertunities.

Debian is commonly used by advanced users and has the best quality packages, however going from Windows to Debian is a very big change and is difficult for many people to adjust. Debian is going to have the highest quality packages aviable for it. Very professional very serious. Some people get tired of the politics and whatnot, but they are hardcore on their positions about free software and legalities.


Out of those Fedora is going to be most "user friendly". However reviews online tend to be slightly negative. Other "user-friendly" style distros are Suse and Mandrake and many people prefer those over Fedora, especially for the newbie. However I feel that their official support of Yum and Apt more then make up for it's deficiencies. Third party repositories include Dag, ATrpms, Freshrpms, but those are not recommended by Fedora to use because they don't cooridant officially with the official repositories. "At your own risk" sort of thing.

I use Fedora and Debian. However if you want maximum tweakatude go Gentoo. However using Linux is a very abrupt change from Windows. Very different enviroments. The nice thing though is that once you get used to the Unix way of doing things then your can easily adapt to a whole host of other operating enviroments such as the BSDs, OS X (as a "hacker" type), Solaris, etc etc.

Check out the docs at www.tldp.org and especially the bash introduction guide, and the Linux administrator guide as they are distro agnostic, anything you learn their can be easily used in any distro and most unixes. Which is nice since you don't have to worry about getting stuck to any single distro.
 

coolred

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Whats the easiest way for a newb like me to figure out what I need to download to get the distros I want?

There are just so many things to choose from. I'm open to try anything, I will probablly install knoppix of my hard drive first, then move on to something else. I am considering at least for now downloading gentoo, slackware and arch linux.

I went to linuxiso.org and went to gentoo, there are like 6 things you could download. I am using an Opteron, so would I want to the A64 version, which according to that site is not avilavable yet, or should I get the standard i386. Should I get the minimal or universal install?

What about the other 2 distros? If anybody wants to win some big points in my book, if they could link me to each file I would need to download, that would be awesome. If not, just giving me some more info would be great.
 

coolred

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Alright, I am having trouble with knoppix, as I have said, it boots very very slowly. I tried the hard drive install and when I get to the part to pick the drive for the swap files, it says it can't find it or something, and quits the install. Well I recently got some time with a broadband connection, and I went ahead and downloaded a couple of ditros. Not sure if I got the right files, but heres what i downloaded. I got Arch Linux, filename arch-0.6.iso, I got Gentoo, filename install-x86-universal-2004.1.iso(I think this is the full installer for X86 processors, so this will work with my opteron? I know I should have got the one specifically for the A64/Opteron, but it was not available.), I also got slackware 10.0. Those 3 seemed to be some of the most talked about/used distros. I should ahve gotten something more newb friendly, but I was hoping knoppix would fill that role.

So now my question is, what should I use? I want to dual boot with windows XP, since I will still game in XP and may even need it for my modem(I think its a winmodem, but may have linux drivers available). I already printed out the gentoo handbook, so I am wondering as long as I choose all the easy options and everything, would that be a good distro to start with? I am very eager to learn as much as I can.
 

MonstaThrilla

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coolred,

Sorry to say this, but if you're having problems with Knoppix, you'll run into alot of problems with all those distros as well (Arch/Gentoo/Slack). You're going to need to learn how to debug and solve problems, that's part of the learning experience. I suggest two routes for you: 1) Debug the problem with Knoppix to get it installed (there IS a solution, the distro isn't "broke"), or 2) Get a true newbie distro, like Fedora, Mandrake, Linspire, etc. I would not suggest you try Arch, Gentoo, or Slack, because you're simply not ready for their install processes.

Good luck. It won't be nice and easy, but through the trials and tribulations you will learn alot.

P.S. Another good distro with a nice install that's based on Debian is Libranet. They're about to go to version 3.0, so the 2.8.1 version is free:

http://www.libranet.com/trial_download.html
 

sephroth777

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I am thinking about running dual boot WinXP Pro/Linux on my current system: AMD 2800XP 200x11, Asus A7N8X Deluxe, 1GB XMS PC3500 RAM, 120gb WD1200JB, ATI 9700 PRO. Which Linux Distro would be best for this system? I have just recently installed Red Hat (I believe 8.0 a 3 cd set) I got from a friend. However, I am unable to get the network card to work and connect to the internet with it. Is their a better distro to use? I would really like to try linux. Thanks!
 

coolred

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Monsta, whats really the point in using a newbie friendly distro? I mean like you said, the only way to learn is to do. SO if I use a distro that works perfectly on its own, I'm not really learning much. I still don't know what my problem was with knoppix, it worked fine a couple times, while I wa smessing with it, whiel i was reinstalled XP on my system, then after I got my XP system back up and running properly, now it doesn't boots incredibly slowly. By that I mean it takes about an hour or so to fully boot. Using the noapic cheatcose speeds it up to about 15-20 minutes, but that is still too long.

Thats when i decided to try the hard drive install, but again that failed at the swap file part, so I just gave up on it, since I figured if I had to go through that tough an install, I might as well go with one of the other distros.

I have been working to get gentoo installed for a few days now, I can practically do it by memory now. My first few problems were the result of my stupidty. I downloaded the x86 version, not the AMD64 version. I did find out though, that I can still install it as a normal x86 distro, basically just lacking the 64 bit stuff. I gave that a try last night and got all the way through to the reboot phase. Grub booted, and I selected the kernel, and I got an error. I checked it out and realized I had typed a line wrong, or forgot a line in the grub.conf file. So I will give it another try tonight and see what happens. It doesn't really seem that hard, I mean sure it may not be the best distro for a newb, but(with the exception of stupid errors like mine)as long as you know how to print and read, then you shoudl be able to get it to work, since they couldn't explain it any better then they do.
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: coolred
Monsta, whats really the point in using a newbie friendly distro?

The newbie friendly distros are good because they help with the installation process. What turns many people off is that if the installation is too hard, they won't go through with ever really USING Linux. Just because its considered a "newbie" distro doesn't mean its any less of a Linux. Its just easer to use at first, and you can get your feet wet quicker.

It seems like you're determined though, so that's good. Good luck with Gentoo.
 

binskipy2k4

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do you have a good install HOW-To for slack 10??
i used one from a forum that told me to create 5 partitions.. and when i was done, i mustve done something wrong (found it it was for slack 9.1) when i booted the lilo worked great, but when i choose linux, it gave me "kernel panic kernel=init not found"

i'm guessing it put things where it shouldnt have since i made 5 partitions.. shouldve just stuck with swap and / right?

any ideas.. currently i dualboot with suse 9.1 pro, why "cause it works" but in linux chatrooms on yahoo, it seems that there are distro wars going on, you are NOT good enough to even ask for help if you arent using deb/gentoo/slack.. so was going to see what all the hubbub was about..

any info or forums or newbish directions would be most appreciated..by the way, i know you are a slack fan, but how do you honestly rate suse 9.1 pro?

thanks
brads_stuff(at)earthlink(dot)net
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: coolred
Monsta, whats really the point in using a newbie friendly distro?

The newbie friendly distros are good because they help with the installation process. What turns many people off is that if the installation is too hard, they won't go through with ever really USING Linux. Just because its considered a "newbie" distro doesn't mean its any less of a Linux. Its just easer to use at first, and you can get your feet wet quicker.

It seems like you're determined though, so that's good. Good luck with Gentoo.

If they can't make it through a simple install (both Debian and slack have simple installs), they won't make it through actually learning the system.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: binskipy2k4
do you have a good install HOW-To for slack 10??
i used one from a forum that told me to create 5 partitions.. and when i was done, i mustve done something wrong (found it it was for slack 9.1) when i booted the lilo worked great, but when i choose linux, it gave me "kernel panic kernel=init not found"

i'm guessing it put things where it shouldnt have since i made 5 partitions.. shouldve just stuck with swap and / right?

any ideas.. currently i dualboot with suse 9.1 pro, why "cause it works" but in linux chatrooms on yahoo, it seems that there are distro wars going on, you are NOT good enough to even ask for help if you arent using deb/gentoo/slack.. so was going to see what all the hubbub was about..

any info or forums or newbish directions would be most appreciated..by the way, i know you are a slack fan, but how do you honestly rate suse 9.1 pro?

thanks
brads_stuff(at)earthlink(dot)net

The install for Slack 10 probably isn't much different than the install for Slack 7. Slack 9.1's install was almost exactly the same as the Slack 7 install I did years ago.

Partitions everyone should probably have:
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swap
/home
/tmp
/var
/usr
 

syconub

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could any of you guys post a couple of screen shots of your desktop, or some other linux main screens that you tend to use alot?
 

syconub

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and, should i get linux suse, cause i wanted to try out linux for my opsystem, so i wanted something more complete. Would that work?
 

n0cmonkey

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screenshot

SuSE should be just fine, I've heard plenty of good things about it. Still waiting on my free cds before I can really comment on it anymore than that.
 

Pete84

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What is the availibility of drives in the different distros? I have a Soyo KT880 mobo and want to get some experiance in open source, but want the same functionality.
GF 4
Netgear 802.11g
Samsung SW-252 CD-RW
Are drivers availible and stable for those core components? VIA chipsets ?

And

What is the difference between all the different open offices?
 

n0cmonkey

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VIA chipsets should work just fine. Check with nVidia about the GF4 (assuming that's a GeForce 4). What chipset on the netgear? Some work, some don't. Check cdrtools's list of supported drives for the samsung.

What different open offices?
 

Pete84

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I know of at least two open source office programs: Open Office and Star Office.
Just wondering what the differences are.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Pete84
I know of at least two open source office programs: Open Office and Star Office.
Just wondering what the differences are.

StarOffice isn't open source. It's a commercial offering from Sun. A release or two ago, Sun open sourced a lot of it (some of it was covered by patents or copyrights they didn't own or some such thing, so they couldn't release it). This code became OpenOffice. StarOffice supposedly got better since then, and has diverted a bit from OpenOffice. I haven't used it in years though.

OpenOffice is open source. The word processor isn't bad. It's a bit big for my tastes though. The Word compatibility has worked fine for me.

KOffice is another office suite from people that lean towards KDE. It's smaller than OO, but I have no clue how Microsoft Office compatible it is. I only use it for .rtf files.
 

piasabird

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I have downloaded the 700MB Image for SUSE Linux 9.1. This was not the Live CD It was an install of SUSE 9.1. Then they have a live update where you can download updates and add on items that make life easier. It was rather easy to install on a computer with Windows XP. It acutally resized my partitions for me and the bootloader for multiboot worked great. Make sure your network card works in Linux. Some NICs do not have drivers for Linux like some of the 3Com NICs. I was able to get both of the integrated NIC's on my Asus A7N8X Deluxe to work properly and be recognized.
 

konakona

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EDIT : nvm now i gotta figure out which files to get :) http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/2004.2/livecd/
would i be better served making a new partition on my hdd or install it on a second rig? (i might be getting one soon... or i could just get it installed in the living room 'community box')

as a side note, i am all for having choices. besides i am a CompE major so i have to get myself acquaninted to unix/linux environment anyway. even then, i still question what real benefits does linux offer over windows? more security, better network capability (sorry about the language, i am totally new to linux) and such? knowing that i wouldnt get into networking anytime soon, i wonder how i am gonna come to decide which OS to use more often :eek: i am not really a FPS gamer, i do play some games but i am getting jwindows for that... for most part i would be surfing on the net or watching videos/listening to music.