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University and College Students: Cheating?
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i've heard of it, but nope. personally i think it's BS, and on top of that half my professors couldn't give a damn.
any one with half a brain could reword sentences to say the exact same thing, it's still plagiarism and circumvents the cross-search program. although i gubesides, you'd need to either submit it online or on a floppy, i don't know a single professor that would prefer anything besides a hardcopy. although i guess if you're dumb enough to copy it word for word, it would weed out the morons.
any one with half a brain could reword sentences to say the exact same thing, it's still plagiarism and circumvents the cross-search program. although i gubesides, you'd need to either submit it online or on a floppy, i don't know a single professor that would prefer anything besides a hardcopy. although i guess if you're dumb enough to copy it word for word, it would weed out the morons.
i'm not a CS major, in fact i'm closer to an english major. i don't understand how any algorithm could be effective enough to distinguish central ideas, so maybe that's just me. it'd be interesting if you could explain to me how to distinguish them though.
for example:
The first of the relevant physiological discoveries, that of the distinction between sensory and motor nerves, is credited to Charles Bell (1774-1842). Bell was born in Edinburgh and educated informally. Although he attended lectures at the University of Edinburgh, most of Bell's anatomical and surgical instruction was received from his older brother John, a noted physician.
on my report, i could put:
Charles Bell (1774-1842) is known to have pioneered the first of all relevant physiological discoveries. That discovery, is the distinction between sensory and motor nerves. Bell received most of his instruction from his elder brother, John Bell, a noted physician; despite his enrollment in the University of Edinburgh.
i can see how it would work in CS, but i mean i took a few CS courses myself, and i'd often end up with the same method of doing a program as someone else.
that brings up the point of coincidence. what was that quote? an infinite number of monkeys, typing forever with an infinite amount of time, will eventually produce the works of shakespeare.
for example:
The first of the relevant physiological discoveries, that of the distinction between sensory and motor nerves, is credited to Charles Bell (1774-1842). Bell was born in Edinburgh and educated informally. Although he attended lectures at the University of Edinburgh, most of Bell's anatomical and surgical instruction was received from his older brother John, a noted physician.
on my report, i could put:
Charles Bell (1774-1842) is known to have pioneered the first of all relevant physiological discoveries. That discovery, is the distinction between sensory and motor nerves. Bell received most of his instruction from his elder brother, John Bell, a noted physician; despite his enrollment in the University of Edinburgh.
i can see how it would work in CS, but i mean i took a few CS courses myself, and i'd often end up with the same method of doing a program as someone else.
that brings up the point of coincidence. what was that quote? an infinite number of monkeys, typing forever with an infinite amount of time, will eventually produce the works of shakespeare.
Schlocemus
Golden Member
<< i'm not a CS major, in fact i'm closer to an english major. i don't understand how any algorithm could be effective enough to distinguish central ideas, so maybe that's just me. it'd be interesting if you could explain to me how to distinguish them though.
for example:
The first of the relevant physiological discoveries, that of the distinction between sensory and motor nerves, is credited to Charles Bell (1774-1842). Bell was born in Edinburgh and educated informally. Although he attended lectures at the University of Edinburgh, most of Bell's anatomical and surgical instruction was received from his older brother John, a noted physician.
on my report, i could put:
Charles Bell (1774-1842) is known to have pioneered the first of all relevant physiological discoveries. That discovery, is the distinction between sensory and motor nerves. Bell received informal instruction from his elder brother, John Bell, who was a noted physician, despite his enrollment in the University of Edinburgh. >>
I think in that last clause you need the specify the antecedent as Charles Bell, and not John. 😉
(I'm not english major tho)
well i didn't say they were simple algorithms...
i would *imagine* that they would look at keywords and see how close they are in relationship to each other.
basically it boils down to this.... humans have tendencies in just about everything they do. these algorithms are designed to recognize and identify these tendencies.
i would *imagine* that they would look at keywords and see how close they are in relationship to each other.
basically it boils down to this.... humans have tendencies in just about everything they do. these algorithms are designed to recognize and identify these tendencies.
heh, i didn't actually notice how that sounded. i just kind of typed whatever flowed into my head at the moment, it should be a semi-colon though since it's a different thought.
edited to appease the audiance 🙂
the point still stands though, would it even be possible to come up with an algorithm for essays, not programs ?
edited to appease the audiance 🙂
the point still stands though, would it even be possible to come up with an algorithm for essays, not programs ?
Schlocemus
Golden Member
hehe, yeah, I was just being picky! (I'm totally with you on this one...)
They do it at UCSD. You have to hand in you essays over the internet to a certain site that cross references your essay against everyone in your class and all the essays found on those websites, www.cheaters.com, www.f!uckschool.com. This basically catches the cheaters who are blatently doing it and don't seem to care if they get caught. It also catches people who copy of websites. I know a guy who got called in because it found a whole paragraph from a website that had been copied in his essay. The program highlights the paragraph and gives a print out of the website to the teacher.
edit: they also keep a record for each class of essays written in the past. So if people try to hand in their sisters essay that she wrote two years earlier they will get snagged.
edit: they also keep a record for each class of essays written in the past. So if people try to hand in their sisters essay that she wrote two years earlier they will get snagged.
zeroburn - i believe it's entirely possible, because i have heard of research in that field being conducted. i really do think it is possible.
but to satisfy our mutual curiosity, i submitted your paragraph to plagiarism.com for analysis. i'll let you know the results when i get it. btw, i found the source of your paragraph with a 3 word google search. it was the only result returned 🙂
but to satisfy our mutual curiosity, i submitted your paragraph to plagiarism.com for analysis. i'll let you know the results when i get it. btw, i found the source of your paragraph with a 3 word google search. it was the only result returned 🙂
gopunk - hehe, google's where i got it from. i typed in "psychology of the mind" assuming there would be a bunch of example material that would come up. i guess i could see how an algorithm would be able to pull out human tendencies, but i don't see how that could distinguish one person's writing from another. i guess i just keep picturing the poor schmoe who gets kicks out of college because his report happened to match someone else's. i've personally been accused of plagiarism myself, which i don't do, so i take it to heart.
professor turned my paper back that simply said "see me." apparently she didn't believe the writing was mine, since she didn't think i was capable of it, i wasn't sure if i was offended or pleased at that point. reason was i guess i goofed off a little in that class and the philosophy class was a bit more advanced one than a freshman should be taking. in any case i had to re-write another essay (shorter, different topic). i focused on it a lot more than i had the previous one, when she found it better than the original paper she had to give me a mark, and a half-ass apology. this also happened to a friend of mine, to some degree.
professor turned my paper back that simply said "see me." apparently she didn't believe the writing was mine, since she didn't think i was capable of it, i wasn't sure if i was offended or pleased at that point. reason was i guess i goofed off a little in that class and the philosophy class was a bit more advanced one than a freshman should be taking. in any case i had to re-write another essay (shorter, different topic). i focused on it a lot more than i had the previous one, when she found it better than the original paper she had to give me a mark, and a half-ass apology. this also happened to a friend of mine, to some degree.
Jeff7
Lifer
Dunno, but my one professor accused me of plagiarizing part of a paper. I outright challenged her on the spot to check out my sources, and anywhere else she wanted to to find out where in the heck I plagiarized it from. If copying thoughts out of my own head is plagiarism, I guess I'm guilty. 😉
Too well written for her to believe perhaps? 😀
Too well written for her to believe perhaps? 😀
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