Universe As A Hologram?

UNCjigga

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very interesting...

<-- ceases to exist and vanishes in a mess of subatomic particles...
 

Looney

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Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light.

Well, this has been known for awhile... and superstring theory explains this just fine. Unfortuantely, i'm a little too drunk atm to explain it... but if anybody is interested, read the Elegant Universe... GOOD book.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: hdeck
i stopped after the 2nd bold sentence.

You saved some time... it's all hogwash.

In a series of landmark experiments in the 1920s, brain scientist Karl Lashley found that no matter what portion of a rat's brain he removed he was unable to eradicate its memory of how to perform complex tasks it had learned prior to surgery. The only problem was that no one was able to come up with a mechanism that might explain this curious "whole in every part" nature of memory storage

Please, they're using 1920s research... we know VERY well today how the brain operates, and where certain memories are stored.
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: hdeck
i stopped after the 2nd bold sentence.

You saved some time... it's all hogwash.
god????:Q

Please, they're using 1920s research... we know VERY well today how the brain operates, and where certain memories are stored.
what about the other parts of the article?
 

Luagsch

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interesting article.
...hmmm so basicly the whole universe wold be seen in every piece of crap... that makes sense...;)
nice read though
 

Chaotic42

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Interesting, but I'd like to see a few (dozen) more scientists on board. The article seems.... lacking.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: hdeck
i stopped after the 2nd bold sentence.

You saved some time... it's all hogwash.
god????:Q

Please, they're using 1920s research... we know VERY well today how the brain operates, and where certain memories are stored.
what about the other parts of the article?

It's all BS... he's using some facts of science, and spinning his own pseudo science.

What else the superhologram contains is an open-ended question. Allowing, for the sake of argument, that the superhologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in our universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be -- every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from blue whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is."

Um yeah, that's nothing new. Everything in the universe was here since the big bang... nothing has been created since then or destroyed. Matter can be made from energy, and energy can be made from matter... but matter or energy isn't made from nothingness.

For if the concreteness of the world is but a secondary reality and what is "there" is actually a holographic blur of frequencies, and if the brain is also a hologram and only selects some of the frequencies out of this blur and mathematically transforms them into sensory perceptions, what becomes of objective reality? Put quite simply, it ceases to exist. As the religions of the East have long upheld, the material world is Maya, an illusion, and although we may think we are physical beings moving through a physical world, this too is an illusion.

In the above quote... he takes Maya and simply distorts it to his own definition. Maya isn't say the world is an illusion... the world is real. But to our concept of it, it's an illusion. We believe thigns belong to us, but it doesn't... that's an illusion. I just label that that porsche belongs to me, but in the grand scheme of thigns, it doesn't... and labelling it, and striving for it, doesn't bring happiness... if it does, it's an illusion... and will disappear just like an illusion does... it just causes more striving and suffering (because we don't get what we want)... etc etc. It's very metaphysical, and i wont' go into this... but obviously the author of this theory is a moron. He reminds me of a kid i knew in highschool... who's knowledge about the world was vast... but they were all completely superficial. He only knew tidbits here and there, and when he formulates his own ideas, it's all garbage... because they're all his interpretation of stuff, and his interpretation were completely different from what the idea really is.

Notice how he doesn't have any proof to what he says... all he does is use examples that he distorts, and tries to fit it into his theory. Notice how uses analogy to prove his points... analogies are great at helping people understand stuff, but it's not proof or fact. I can use the analogy that the universe is a like a balloon expanding... that the air in the balloon is time... the more air (time) you add, the bigger the balloon is (the bigger the universe is). Now, that helps you understand something, but that's not proof of anything.

 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: hdeck
i stopped after the 2nd bold sentence.

You saved some time... it's all hogwash.

In a series of landmark experiments in the 1920s, brain scientist Karl Lashley found that no matter what portion of a rat's brain he removed he was unable to eradicate its memory of how to perform complex tasks it had learned prior to surgery. The only problem was that no one was able to come up with a mechanism that might explain this curious "whole in every part" nature of memory storage

Please, they're using 1920s research... we know VERY well today how the brain operates, and where certain memories are stored.

Enlighten us. Where are certain memories stored? Of course we know that certain parts of the brain perform certain functions, but saying that everything they are talking about is hogwash simply because of one error is foolish and irresponsible. Besides, they are using the 1920's experiment as an example of a possible implication, not as proof of their theory. I'm also very curious who in this world knows VERY well how the brian works. Please give some proof of this. There are many theories, but as far as I know, no one has ever come even close to understanding how the brain operates. I think YOU are full of hogwash.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: hdeck
i stopped after the 2nd bold sentence.

You saved some time... it's all hogwash.

In a series of landmark experiments in the 1920s, brain scientist Karl Lashley found that no matter what portion of a rat's brain he removed he was unable to eradicate its memory of how to perform complex tasks it had learned prior to surgery. The only problem was that no one was able to come up with a mechanism that might explain this curious "whole in every part" nature of memory storage

Please, they're using 1920s research... we know VERY well today how the brain operates, and where certain memories are stored.

Enlighten us. Where are certain memories stored? Of course we know that certain parts of the brain perform certain functions, but saying that everything they are talking about is hogwash simply because of one error is foolish and irresponsible. Besides, they are using the 1920's experiment as an example of a possible implication, not as proof of their theory. I'm also very curious who in this world knows VERY well how the brian works. Please give some proof of this. There are many theories, but as far as I know, no one has ever come even close to understanding how the brain operates. I think YOU are full of hogwash.

This coming from a guy that believes we all came from a man and woman in a garden 6000 years ago.... ok.

We know every well where memories are stored. Do we know exactly where my dinner last night memory is stored? No, but we can certainly identify certain areas. Skills learned, languages acquired, visual memories, etc. And if you would read the rest of the thread, instead of selective attention, you'll see i've pointed out other errors.

 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: hdeck
i stopped after the 2nd bold sentence.

You saved some time... it's all hogwash.

In a series of landmark experiments in the 1920s, brain scientist Karl Lashley found that no matter what portion of a rat's brain he removed he was unable to eradicate its memory of how to perform complex tasks it had learned prior to surgery. The only problem was that no one was able to come up with a mechanism that might explain this curious "whole in every part" nature of memory storage

Please, they're using 1920s research... we know VERY well today how the brain operates, and where certain memories are stored.

Enlighten us. Where are certain memories stored? Of course we know that certain parts of the brain perform certain functions, but saying that everything they are talking about is hogwash simply because of one error is foolish and irresponsible. Besides, they are using the 1920's experiment as an example of a possible implication, not as proof of their theory. I'm also very curious who in this world knows VERY well how the brian works. Please give some proof of this. There are many theories, but as far as I know, no one has ever come even close to understanding how the brain operates. I think YOU are full of hogwash.

This coming from a guy that believes we all came from a man and woman in a garden 6000 years ago.... ok.

We know every well where memories are stored. Do we know exactly where my dinner last night memory is stored? No, but we can certainly identify certain areas. Skills learned, languages acquired, visual memories, etc. And if you would read the rest of the thread, instead of selective attention, you'll see i've pointed out other errors.
I am talking about THIS error. Not the other ones. In order to post, do I have to comment on every single post that was before? And where is this proof about where memories are stored? I'm not saything the article is right, I'm just sayint that this person's arguement as to WHY it's wrong is faulty.


And thanks for bringing religion into it. I guess that I am not allowed to comment on this because I believe in something that you don't...is that what you are saying? Are you discriminating against me because of my religion? Stay on topic, or don't comment at all. Bringing someone's religion into a debate is stupid and immature.
 

Looney

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I am talking about THIS error. Not the other ones. In order to post, do I have to comment on every single post that was before?


Holy sh1t, does selective attention apply to your own posts as well?

but saying that everything they are talking about is hogwash simply because of one error is foolish and irresponsible.

And where is this proof about where memories are stored? I'm not saything the article is right, I'm just sayint that this person's arguement as to WHY it's wrong is faulty.

http://www.district10.nbed.nb.ca/Resources/brain.htm

And thanks for bringing religion into it. I guess that I am not allowed to comment on this because I believe in something that you don't...is that what you are saying? Are you discriminating against me because of my religion? Stay on topic, or don't comment at all. Bringing someone's religion into a debate is stupid and immature.

No, i'm just laughing that somebody who believes something so absurd as you do, is questioning me. Maybe you're use to believing anything that is written down, but i sure am not.
 

FatJackSprat

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I didn't read the whole thing, but got a question when they started comparing our present state to a hologram due the inter-relatedness of everything.

If a hologram is created from something else already in existence, would this mean that our reality is a derivative of something else that was complete at the beginning of our time.

I am curious because to me this would mean that everything has already been done and our reality is merely playing it back again.

Predetermined existence would be devastating. No one could be held responsible for their actions anymore because they would no longer have the free will to change their behaviors.

 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
I am talking about THIS error. Not the other ones. In order to post, do I have to comment on every single post that was before?


Holy sh1t, does selective attention apply to your own posts as well?

but saying that everything they are talking about is hogwash simply because of one error is foolish and irresponsible.

And where is this proof about where memories are stored? I'm not saything the article is right, I'm just sayint that this person's arguement as to WHY it's wrong is faulty.

http://www.district10.nbed.nb.ca/Resources/brain.htm

And thanks for bringing religion into it. I guess that I am not allowed to comment on this because I believe in something that you don't...is that what you are saying? Are you discriminating against me because of my religion? Stay on topic, or don't comment at all. Bringing someone's religion into a debate is stupid and immature.

No, i'm just laughing that somebody who believes something so absurd as you do, is questioning me. Maybe you're use to believing anything that is written down, but i sure am not.

1. What does my religion have to do with my being able to question you?
2. I mentioned earlier that I am not saying that the article is right. Got that? NOT NOT NOT. I am NOT saying that. Maybe I should say it again so you get it. I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE ARTICLE IS RIGHT!!! Maybe you should take a reading class, or elementary comprehension class before thinking you are soooo superior. All I asked for was some proof and you start criticizing my religion and insulting me. I made some valid arguements and you chose to attack me rather than respond to my comments.