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Univerals Healthcare: How to pay for it?

GTaudiophile

GTaudiophile

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Hillary is on the healthcare warpath again.

The US is in debt big time. The trade deficit is getting worse. The US government has no idea what a balanced budget is. Yet they think they can take on universal healthcare?

Why can't people just look to Europe and see them moving away from such lofty social welfare projects because they can no longer afford them? And in many cases their debt and deficits are under far better control than ours.

Why can't we have someone run on eliminating the debt completely by cutting spending? Why can't we get our house in order???
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
The US is in debt big time. The trade deficit is getting worse. The US government has no idea what a balanced budget is.
Why can't we get our house in order???
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The economy is actually doing decently all things considered.
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Hillary is on the healthcare warpath again.

The US is in debt big time. The trade deficit is getting worse. The US government has no idea what a balanced budget is. Yet they think they can take on universal healthcare?

Why can't people just look to Europe and see them moving away from such lofty social welfare projects because they can no longer afford them? And in many cases their debt and deficits are under far better control than ours.

Why can't we have someone run on eliminating the debt completely by cutting spending? Why can't we get our house in order???
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Money for health care ultimately comes out of people's pockets, whether it's universal or not. Insurance companies paying for bypass surgeries ultimately share the cost all over.

It would be nice if the government gets to punish people for being unhealthy and force them to live healthier. I shouldn't have to pay for someone's heart surgery if they choose to eat McD 7 days a week. America is one of the few countries where POOR people are obviously not starving because they're fat.

Single payer (universal healthcare) bureaucracy vs. insurance companies that only answer to the shareholders... they're both evil.
 
Easy, look at Europe 65% income taxes and they have no military so figure on keeping about 20% of your check.
 
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Hillary is on the healthcare warpath again.

The US is in debt big time. The trade deficit is getting worse. The US government has no idea what a balanced budget is. Yet they think they can take on universal healthcare?

Why can't people just look to Europe and see them moving away from such lofty social welfare projects because they can no longer afford them? And in many cases their debt and deficits are under far better control than ours.

Why can't we have someone run on eliminating the debt completely by cutting spending? Why can't we get our house in order???
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Money for health care ultimately comes out of people's pockets, whether it's universal or not. Insurance companies paying for bypass surgeries ultimately share the cost all over.

It would be nice if the government gets to punish people for being unhealthy and force them to live healthier. I shouldn't have to pay for someone's heart surgery if they choose to eat McD 7 days a week. America is one of the few countries where POOR people are obviously not starving because they're fat.

Single payer (universal healthcare) bureaucracy vs. insurance companies that only answer to the shareholders... they're both evil.
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Government force peoples? Master race huh?

I got an idea lets go back to a cash system.. you have no idea how cheap HC was in the 60's before insurance companies got involved and most peoples just paid cash.

As far as the MickyD's heart attack victim or smokers these peoples actually are the ones who pay more in than they take out..assets since they die so early. I like them. It's the 88 year old fitness addict you got to look out for, who still needs cancer treatment or heart work anyway as we all will who has been sponging off the system retired 40 years thats the problem.
 
Roll back tax cuts, dial down military spending to sane levels, cut off a few corporate welfare programs here and there (not to mentioned increased tax revenue now that half of workers checks is no longer diverted to health plans), and the numbers ought to work. Of course, I don't work in the CBO, so it's up to our government to work out the details. But universal health care is the only way to go.
 
The US currently spends more per person on Health care from the governments pocket than Canada does. All you would do is create a different system and use the same money.
 
Before we can even contemplate Universial healthcare, we need to reform the healthcare system in the US.

Modernization would be a place to start.
 
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: senseamp
Tax the rich.
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Even though I support some form of universal healthcare, that's one of the stupidest answers I've seen. Jealous much?
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If it's so stupid, why is it the way every other country pays for universal healthcare?
Let me guess, because everyone is stupid, and you are the one who has it all figured out?
Also, I make 6 figures in my mid 20s already, so I don't harbor any illusions that my taxes won't go up to pay for universal healthcare. But if you want to know how to pay it, the answer is: Tax the rich. Has nothing to do with jealosy, it has to do with political and economic reality.
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: senseamp
Tax the rich.
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Even though I support some form of universal healthcare, that's one of the stupidest answers I've seen. Jealous much?
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If it's so stupid, why is it the way every other country pays for universal healthcare?
Let me guess, because everyone is stupid, and you are the one who has it all figured out?
Also, I make 6 figures in my mid 20s already, so I don't harbor any illusions that my taxes won't go up to pay for universal healthcare. But if you want to know how to pay it, the answer is: Tax the rich. Has nothing to do with jealosy, it has to do with political and economic reality.
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You do realise just to cover the baby boomers medicare libabilites it is going to take $30-50trillion.

Simply taxing more isnt going allow us to have Universial healthcare. Just ask Tennessee how well that worked from 1994-2000.
 
Flat rate tax, or percentile incrementals based on income. Close loop holes for corporations, cut spendings, mind our own business for a while. There's an old adage about you won't win a war if your home is in shamble, and it's generally true. So, fix our home first before trying to fix others.

I'm not communistic, but if I can pay the same rate for healthcare with the new proposed plan, while benefiting others, I'm all for it. You can use new funds from methods metioned, combine with the funds from other social programs that are already inplace and improve, or expand them. The problem is that there are too much profits in this business and no one is willing to lose that profit. They'll spend money fighting change before they cut losses, or what would be equivalent to less profits.
 
Originally posted by: slash196
Roll back tax cuts, dial down military spending to sane levels, cut off a few corporate welfare programs here and there (not to mentioned increased tax revenue now that half of workers checks is no longer diverted to health plans), and the numbers ought to work. Of course, I don't work in the CBO, so it's up to our government to work out the details. But universal health care is the only way to go.
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Oh that would be a great idea with China shooting down satellites and all.

Sorry but cut spending anywhere besides the military!

 
Why can't we have someone run on eliminating the debt completely by cutting spending? Why can't we get our house in order???
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Because we the people want it this way. People get a handout from the govt dont consider who pays for it, even when they have paid for it themselves.

Try getting somebody to vote for the candidate who promises to take away their govt check?

As for how to pay for it? The utopian left will tell you it is cheaper than getting insurance for yourself. That is great if you are one of the few % points who isnt covered under a corporate policy. In other words the shift of costs will move from employers to employee's.

What a deal for the majority of working Americans who are covered under a corporate policy. The winners are the rich who currently choose to not pay for a policy. Or the poor who dont possess job skills that give them benefits or cant afford health insurance on their own.

 
Originally posted by: slash196
Roll back tax cuts, dial down military spending to sane levels, cut off a few corporate welfare programs here and there (not to mentioned increased tax revenue now that half of workers checks is no longer diverted to health plans), and the numbers ought to work. Of course, I don't work in the CBO, so it's up to our government to work out the details. But universal health care is the only way to go.
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You could cut military spending 100% and still be a few hundred billion short. I dont think most people understand the true costs involved here. We are talking about a health industry that saw 1.3 trillion spent in 2003. I am sure it has only grown since.
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Easy, look at Europe 65% income taxes and they have no military so figure on keeping about 20% of your check.
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While their taxes are high, it's not 65%.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Topic Title: Univerals Healthcare: How to pay for it?
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Have the rich pay for it, how else? <shrugs>
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Define rich - anyone that makes more $$ than one does.

ie: Look at how much money the man on the street makes.
Take that amount for yourself and give the rest to him.

 
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Zebo
Easy, look at Europe 65% income taxes and they have no military so figure on keeping about 20% of your check.
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While their taxes are high, it's not 65%.
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Including the 17-25% VAT? Incredible fuel tax? Tax on everything??!!

Pretty close, if not more.
 
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