united states of amerika

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Even though what he was doing was in a way his freadom of speech he had to be stupid to think no one will bother him for doing it. Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required). To sit there and try to explain biodegratable and Dot-matrix to them would be like going to the moon. There are some other issues with this. If I were walking down the street and happen to feet sprayed with that ****** I would get angry. I'm sure it might wash off easily on the sidewalk but not on fabric or cloth. Also when aresol cans disperse fluid there is always some sort of gas released. These type of things need to be taken in effect . I'm sure if you look up the definition of defacing and vandalism he fits right in there even though it can be washed off. The point is that someone has to wash it off or it kind of stays there. If the city does it he should of pre-arranged something with the city in payment of sidewalk washing.

To say it can be washed off is like If I break a bus stop window and when the police pick me up I say that Oh it can be fixed. I can go down the Home Depot and pick up a piece of Lexan.

chalk usually disperses with rain or even wind and high-traffic. Its more like leaving a finger print on the bus window than breaking it.

Even though it may be aresol chalk (if that is what it is) there are planning considerings that need to be made. You can't just go out and start spraying the sidwalks. You have pedestrians and people who will complain about traking that stuff. And there are certian situations where chalk can't wash off.

 

[BoomerD]

The ONLY parts of this story I have, are:
"Oliver revealed that Kinberg had been one of many targets of the NYPD's "RNC Intelligence Squad," which had been traveling around the country infiltrating progressive groups and building secret files on potential rabble-rousers ahead of the convention. "

Since when did protesting against a political party become so bad that they need to infiltrate the "rabble-rousers"...sounds like somethin Hitler would have done...

Next, they arrested the guy while giving an interview...NOT while actually committing any crime...Pre-emptive arrest? What's coming next? Thought police?

Otherwise, the spraying of graffiti on the public sidewalks should be treated like any other graffiti...but you gotta catch them in the act, or AFTER committing the crime, NOT before.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Even though what he was doing was in a way his freadom of speech he had to be stupid to think no one will bother him for doing it. Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required).

Education is not a measure of intelligence...I don't agree that police, in general, are stupid...but your statement surely is.

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

You're a real bright one yourself aren't you?

NYPD


Are there any education requirements to be appointed as a NYC Police Officer?

Yes, on or before the date of hire, a candidate must have successfully completed:

60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university


OR


2 years of full-time active military service in the United States Armed Forces with an honorable discharge and have a high school diploma or it's equivalent

I'm not even halfway through college and I was able to find that info, what college did you go to?

While it is true that many police departments only require a HS diploma, the majority of the better departments require at least 60 credits or 2 years in the military.


Edit - BTW, after completing most Police academies, you will usually have around 20-30 transferrable credits.....you wouldn't look as ignorant if you actually did a little research before calling Police in general stupid and uneducated.

60 college credits is not much. And considering there is no requirment structure in those 60 credits you could really take anything you wanted. And we all know how many easy courses you have at your local community college. 60 credits can normally be finished in a year at any major college or university.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Even though what he was doing was in a way his freadom of speech he had to be stupid to think no one will bother him for doing it. Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required).

Education is not a measure of intelligence...I don't agree that police, in general, are stupid...but your statement surely is.

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

You're a real bright one yourself aren't you?

NYPD


Are there any education requirements to be appointed as a NYC Police Officer?

Yes, on or before the date of hire, a candidate must have successfully completed:

60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university


OR


2 years of full-time active military service in the United States Armed Forces with an honorable discharge and have a high school diploma or it's equivalent

I'm not even halfway through college and I was able to find that info, what college did you go to?

While it is true that many police departments only require a HS diploma, the majority of the better departments require at least 60 credits or 2 years in the military.


Edit - BTW, after completing most Police academies, you will usually have around 20-30 transferrable credits.....you wouldn't look as ignorant if you actually did a little research before calling Police in general stupid and uneducated.

60 college credits is not much. And considering there is no requirment structure in those 60 credits you could really take anything you wanted. And we all know how many easy courses you have at your local community college. 60 credits can normally be finished in a year at any major college or university.

Err - my alma mater would not let any student take more than 15 credits without permission with 17 being the absolute max for fall and spring, 12 max in the summer.

So that's not possible and I'm not sure why you are trying so hard to prove that police are stupid.

120 credits for a BS = 4 years

60 credits for an AS = 2 years

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
He blames the RNC because its more politically correct than to blame it all on GWB!!!

Fern has it right--Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned if you gotta make your "statement", write it on your own property, not others' private property or the public property.

Yes but in NYC people do this stuff all the time, what about all of these TRUTH gimmicks they keep pulling, they are using public property to convey their message. It's the same thing and a double standard. There is nothing illegal about what this guy was trying to do and I don't see how they could legally detain him for anything let alone his laptop, cell phone, and they 'lost' his bike, which is probably now sitting in the garage of one of the police commissioners for his kids to play with.

I lived in Manhatten years ago, but am not familiar with this TRUTH thingy. Can you elaborate please?
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To those saying this is NOT illegal, I'm curious, in most places I've lived it's against the law to ride your bike on the sidewalks for safety reasons etc.

Is that not the case in NYC?

Fern

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Even though what he was doing was in a way his freadom of speech he had to be stupid to think no one will bother him for doing it. Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required).

Education is not a measure of intelligence...I don't agree that police, in general, are stupid...but your statement surely is.

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

You're a real bright one yourself aren't you?

NYPD


Are there any education requirements to be appointed as a NYC Police Officer?

Yes, on or before the date of hire, a candidate must have successfully completed:

60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university


OR


2 years of full-time active military service in the United States Armed Forces with an honorable discharge and have a high school diploma or it's equivalent

I'm not even halfway through college and I was able to find that info, what college did you go to?

While it is true that many police departments only require a HS diploma, the majority of the better departments require at least 60 credits or 2 years in the military.


Edit - BTW, after completing most Police academies, you will usually have around 20-30 transferrable credits.....you wouldn't look as ignorant if you actually did a little research before calling Police in general stupid and uneducated.

60 college credits is not much. And considering there is no requirment structure in those 60 credits you could really take anything you wanted. And we all know how many easy courses you have at your local community college. 60 credits can normally be finished in a year at any major college or university.

Err - my alma mater would not let any student take more than 15 credits without permission with 17 being the absolute max for fall and spring, 12 max in the summer.

So that's not possible and I'm not sure why you are trying so hard to prove that police are stupid.

120 credits for a BS = 4 years

60 credits for an AS = 2 years

So that is your college. You should know every college is different.

19 credits per semester. = max

Higher than 19 if you get it approved through the Academic standards commitie which is not that hard. You just need to verbally prove it's possible.

We have 4 summer sessions during the summer semester. You can take a max of 6 credits per session so thats 24 + (19 x 2) = 62.

That's not including the minimester (winter semester) where you can take more if you want or trim back on the summer courses.

But considering that there is no requirements for these 60 credits it can be anything under the sun and that means basket weaving and pottery during the summer.

But that depends when you finished if you actually consider that an education.

Also in this video much of these officers appear to be much older. They out rank the younger officers (if any where there). So they are the one's making the decisions. I would imigine that these older officers came under the older guidelines.

 

[CanOWorms]

This is the Europeanization of America that so many here want.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Even though what he was doing was in a way his freadom of speech he had to be stupid to think no one will bother him for doing it. Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required).

Education is not a measure of intelligence...I don't agree that police, in general, are stupid...but your statement surely is.

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

You're a real bright one yourself aren't you?

NYPD


Are there any education requirements to be appointed as a NYC Police Officer?

Yes, on or before the date of hire, a candidate must have successfully completed:

60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university


OR


2 years of full-time active military service in the United States Armed Forces with an honorable discharge and have a high school diploma or it's equivalent

I'm not even halfway through college and I was able to find that info, what college did you go to?

While it is true that many police departments only require a HS diploma, the majority of the better departments require at least 60 credits or 2 years in the military.


Edit - BTW, after completing most Police academies, you will usually have around 20-30 transferrable credits.....you wouldn't look as ignorant if you actually did a little research before calling Police in general stupid and uneducated.

60 college credits is not much. And considering there is no requirment structure in those 60 credits you could really take anything you wanted. And we all know how many easy courses you have at your local community college. 60 credits can normally be finished in a year at any major college or university.

What? 60 college credits is enough for an AA degree, its halfway to your bachelors. 60 credits are normally finished in 2 years not 1, if that were the case then "normally" people would be getting their bachelors in 2 years. How many people do you know that get their bachelors degree in 2 years? The Maryland State Police have a program to get your AA degree during the time that you attend their academy, thats 60 credits in 6 months. That is incredibly advanced and you can not be stupid and finish that program.

In any case, it doesn't matter, you said "Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required)" which is completely untrue and ignorant. What do you know about Police besides your general run in with them on the street?

Its obvious that you know nothing about police academies. You are force fed a ton of information in a very short amount of time, and you better learn it all because not remembering something that you learned in the academy could get you in jail or killed.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Even though what he was doing was in a way his freadom of speech he had to be stupid to think no one will bother him for doing it. Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required).

Education is not a measure of intelligence...I don't agree that police, in general, are stupid...but your statement surely is.

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

You're a real bright one yourself aren't you?

NYPD


Are there any education requirements to be appointed as a NYC Police Officer?

Yes, on or before the date of hire, a candidate must have successfully completed:

60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university


OR


2 years of full-time active military service in the United States Armed Forces with an honorable discharge and have a high school diploma or it's equivalent

I'm not even halfway through college and I was able to find that info, what college did you go to?

While it is true that many police departments only require a HS diploma, the majority of the better departments require at least 60 credits or 2 years in the military.


Edit - BTW, after completing most Police academies, you will usually have around 20-30 transferrable credits.....you wouldn't look as ignorant if you actually did a little research before calling Police in general stupid and uneducated.

60 college credits is not much. And considering there is no requirment structure in those 60 credits you could really take anything you wanted. And we all know how many easy courses you have at your local community college. 60 credits can normally be finished in a year at any major college or university.

Err - my alma mater would not let any student take more than 15 credits without permission with 17 being the absolute max for fall and spring, 12 max in the summer.

So that's not possible and I'm not sure why you are trying so hard to prove that police are stupid.

120 credits for a BS = 4 years

60 credits for an AS = 2 years

So that is your college. You should know every college is different.

19 credits per semester. = max

Higher than 19 if you get it approved through the Academic standards commitie which is not that hard. You just need to verbally prove it's possible.

We have 4 summer sessions during the summer semester. You can take a max of 6 credits per session so thats 24 + (19 x 2) = 62.

That's not including the minimester (winter semester) where you can take more if you want or trim back on the summer courses.

But considering that there is no requirements for these 60 credits it can be anything under the sun and that means basket weaving and pottery during the summer.

But that depends when you finished if you actually consider that an education.

Also in this video much of these officers appear to be much older. They out rank the younger officers (if any where there). So they are the one's making the decisions. I would imigine that these older officers came under the older guidelines.

What college are you referring to btw and how many people do you know that got their 4 year degree in 2 years? Also, do you really think that someone is going to waste thousands of dollars just to get 60 credits in "basket weaving"? The majority of those people will be getting their AA degree in something CJ related.

 

[imported_Equinox]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
The ONLY parts of this story I have, are:
"Oliver revealed that Kinberg had been one of many targets of the NYPD's "RNC Intelligence Squad," which had been traveling around the country infiltrating progressive groups and building secret files on potential rabble-rousers ahead of the convention. "

Since when did protesting against a political party become so bad that they need to infiltrate the "rabble-rousers"...sounds like somethin Hitler would have done...

Next, they arrested the guy while giving an interview...NOT while actually committing any crime...Pre-emptive arrest? What's coming next? Thought police?

Otherwise, the spraying of graffiti on the public sidewalks should be treated like any other graffiti...but you gotta catch them in the act, or AFTER committing the crime, NOT before.

And *this* is the heart of the matter here, not sideline issues of whether chalk is defacement, if he committed a crime or who was to blame.

Don't miss the point here - the problem is Why is it necessary to infiltrate the rabble-rousers? Afraid they have some good points that no one has prepped for? Are our politicians so harshly scripted in their messages today that they must prepare for every single question, every single person, every single thought?

Yeah, I guess they are. The NYPD is not stupid, and neither are Americans, but apparently our politicians are.

And in a few minutes will come a crafty reply trying to turn this into the NYPD vs. a criminal, the RNC vs. the Democrats or some other issue to divert it from the true issue that this is yet another example of the American people losing their rights.

EDIT: Oh wait, it already happened. Can we get back to the real issue, because this is the topic at hand, not how much education a police officer must receive.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
He blames the RNC because its more politically correct than to blame it all on GWB!!!

Fern has it right--Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned if you gotta make your "statement", write it on your own property, not others' private property or the public property.

Yes but in NYC people do this stuff all the time, what about all of these TRUTH gimmicks they keep pulling, they are using public property to convey their message. It's the same thing and a double standard. There is nothing illegal about what this guy was trying to do and I don't see how they could legally detain him for anything let alone his laptop, cell phone, and they 'lost' his bike, which is probably now sitting in the garage of one of the police commissioners for his kids to play with.

I lived in Manhatten years ago, but am not familiar with this TRUTH thingy. Can you elaborate please?
--------------------------------------

To those saying this is NOT illegal, I'm curious, in most places I've lived it's against the law to ride your bike on the sidewalks for safety reasons etc.

Is that not the case in NYC?

Fern

TRUTH is that anti-tobacco org that is always running ads on TV, they are all shot almost exclusively in NYC and they will do things like draw chalk outlines on the ground representing 'murders' to show how many people die from tobacco related illnesses. When I was in NYC this past summer they were doing this kind of stuff around Central Park and people didn't seem to have a problem with it. I certainly didn't see the police arresting anyone.

And where I live it's not illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalks even though we have bike lanes on most of the major roads.

 

[theeedude]

That's why I'd never vote for Giuliani. Birds of feather flock together.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Even though what he was doing was in a way his freadom of speech he had to be stupid to think no one will bother him for doing it. Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required).

Education is not a measure of intelligence...I don't agree that police, in general, are stupid...but your statement surely is.

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

You're a real bright one yourself aren't you?

NYPD


Are there any education requirements to be appointed as a NYC Police Officer?

Yes, on or before the date of hire, a candidate must have successfully completed:

60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university


OR


2 years of full-time active military service in the United States Armed Forces with an honorable discharge and have a high school diploma or it's equivalent

I'm not even halfway through college and I was able to find that info, what college did you go to?

While it is true that many police departments only require a HS diploma, the majority of the better departments require at least 60 credits or 2 years in the military.


Edit - BTW, after completing most Police academies, you will usually have around 20-30 transferrable credits.....you wouldn't look as ignorant if you actually did a little research before calling Police in general stupid and uneducated.

60 college credits is not much. And considering there is no requirment structure in those 60 credits you could really take anything you wanted. And we all know how many easy courses you have at your local community college. 60 credits can normally be finished in a year at any major college or university.

What? 60 college credits is enough for an AA degree, its halfway to your bachelors. 60 credits are normally finished in 2 years not 1, if that were the case then "normally" people would be getting their bachelors in 2 years. How many people do you know that get their bachelors degree in 2 years? The Maryland State Police have a program to get your AA degree during the time that you attend their academy, thats 60 credits in 6 months. That is incredibly advanced and you can not be stupid and finish that program.

In any case, it doesn't matter, you said "Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required)" which is completely untrue and ignorant. What do you know about Police besides your general run in with them on the street?

Its obvious that you know nothing about police academies. You are force fed a ton of information in a very short amount of time, and you better learn it all because not remembering something that you learned in the academy could get you in jail or killed.

I have a M.S. in Applied Info Tech and a B.S. in Comp Sci.

Not just a B.S.

First off 60 credits by itself dosen't land you a degree unless they concentrate in a specific field. I can see this apparent in the requirments of "60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university". Indicating it's irrelevent how these credits are done. Maybe they must be all done from the same college. But, why didn't they just say AA degree in any field. That would be much easier considering an AA = 60 credits. An AA is harder to get then just 60 credits. Becuase when you go for an AA you much follow a path.

Secondly, AA degrees are not well respected in the field of academia. In some aspects many don't consider this as an Academic degrees considering that is relatively new compared to the historical (B.S./B.A. --> M.S./M.A. --> Ph.D/D.S.). An AA is a U.S. thing created for those who didn't want to go for a B.S.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Even though what he was doing was in a way his freadom of speech he had to be stupid to think no one will bother him for doing it. Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required).

Education is not a measure of intelligence...I don't agree that police, in general, are stupid...but your statement surely is.

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

You're a real bright one yourself aren't you?

NYPD


Are there any education requirements to be appointed as a NYC Police Officer?

Yes, on or before the date of hire, a candidate must have successfully completed:

60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university


OR


2 years of full-time active military service in the United States Armed Forces with an honorable discharge and have a high school diploma or it's equivalent

I'm not even halfway through college and I was able to find that info, what college did you go to?

While it is true that many police departments only require a HS diploma, the majority of the better departments require at least 60 credits or 2 years in the military.


Edit - BTW, after completing most Police academies, you will usually have around 20-30 transferrable credits.....you wouldn't look as ignorant if you actually did a little research before calling Police in general stupid and uneducated.

60 college credits is not much. And considering there is no requirment structure in those 60 credits you could really take anything you wanted. And we all know how many easy courses you have at your local community college. 60 credits can normally be finished in a year at any major college or university.

What? 60 college credits is enough for an AA degree, its halfway to your bachelors. 60 credits are normally finished in 2 years not 1, if that were the case then "normally" people would be getting their bachelors in 2 years. How many people do you know that get their bachelors degree in 2 years? The Maryland State Police have a program to get your AA degree during the time that you attend their academy, thats 60 credits in 6 months. That is incredibly advanced and you can not be stupid and finish that program.

In any case, it doesn't matter, you said "Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required)" which is completely untrue and ignorant. What do you know about Police besides your general run in with them on the street?

Its obvious that you know nothing about police academies. You are force fed a ton of information in a very short amount of time, and you better learn it all because not remembering something that you learned in the academy could get you in jail or killed.

I have a M.S. in Applied Info Tech and a B.S. in Comp Sci.

Not just a B.S.

First off 60 credits by itself dosen't land you a degree unless they concentrate in a specific field. I can see this apparent in the requirments of "60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university". Indicating it's irrelevent how these credits are done. Maybe they must be all done from the same college. But, why didn't they just say AA degree in any field. That would be much easier considering an AA = 60 credits. An AA is harder to get then just 60 credits. Becuase when you go for an AA you much follow a path.

Secondly, AA degrees are not well respected in the field of academia. In some aspects many don't consider this as an Academic degrees considering that is relatively new compared to the historical (B.S./B.A. --> M.S./M.A. --> Ph.D/D.S.). An AA is a U.S. thing created for those who didn't want to go for a B.S.

Thank you for the history of AA degrees, but it would have saved you a lot of time if you would have just apologized and admitted that you don't know much about Police officers, the requirements to become a police officer, and the overall intelligence of police officers.

The fact that you have your masters but you still make such ignorant and uninformed statements is sad.

Edit - BTW, you're still FOS when you say that 60 credits are normally taken in a year.

 

[thraashman]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Pre-emptive arrests, far-reaching spying and surveillance on innocent Americans, geeze did the NYPD also torture its prisoners? I mean, they're like a junior version of the White House.

If you read some of the accounts from people who were arrested, yes. They were kept in a mass holding area that looked remarkably like a concentration camp and in unsanitary conditions before being moved the the tombs (precinct where they were fingerprinted, detained, and processed and usually ended up at for about 30 hours). Held for oftentimes up to 36 hours, but told they could be held far longer or indefinately by police, thus scaring many. Given no access to personal lawyers and often given unsound legal advice. Supplied food was mostly spoiled, rotten, or otherwise inedible. Due to the conditions they were kept in for upwards of 30 hours, sleep was not possible for most, so the equivalent of sleep deprivation. People who were in pain and requested simple pain relievers such as aspirin or tylenol were given no access to such medication.

Some wouldn't call that torture, but to me that definately constitutes cruel and unusual punsihment, scare tactics, and in some cases torture.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Even though what he was doing was in a way his freadom of speech he had to be stupid to think no one will bother him for doing it. Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required).

Education is not a measure of intelligence...I don't agree that police, in general, are stupid...but your statement surely is.

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

You're a real bright one yourself aren't you?

NYPD


Are there any education requirements to be appointed as a NYC Police Officer?

Yes, on or before the date of hire, a candidate must have successfully completed:

60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university


OR


2 years of full-time active military service in the United States Armed Forces with an honorable discharge and have a high school diploma or it's equivalent

I'm not even halfway through college and I was able to find that info, what college did you go to?

While it is true that many police departments only require a HS diploma, the majority of the better departments require at least 60 credits or 2 years in the military.


Edit - BTW, after completing most Police academies, you will usually have around 20-30 transferrable credits.....you wouldn't look as ignorant if you actually did a little research before calling Police in general stupid and uneducated.

60 college credits is not much. And considering there is no requirment structure in those 60 credits you could really take anything you wanted. And we all know how many easy courses you have at your local community college. 60 credits can normally be finished in a year at any major college or university.

Uh 60 semester hours in one year? Not many institutions allow that. Most require explict approval of your Dean to take more than 18. Even then the most any school Ive ever heard, will only allow 16hrs in the summer.

60hrs is half of a BA/BS.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
He blames the RNC because its more politically correct than to blame it all on GWB!!!

Fern has it right--Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned if you gotta make your "statement", write it on your own property, not others' private property or the public property.

Yes but in NYC people do this stuff all the time, what about all of these TRUTH gimmicks they keep pulling, they are using public property to convey their message. It's the same thing and a double standard. There is nothing illegal about what this guy was trying to do and I don't see how they could legally detain him for anything let alone his laptop, cell phone, and they 'lost' his bike, which is probably now sitting in the garage of one of the police commissioners for his kids to play with.

I lived in Manhatten years ago, but am not familiar with this TRUTH thingy. Can you elaborate please?
--------------------------------------

To those saying this is NOT illegal, I'm curious, in most places I've lived it's against the law to ride your bike on the sidewalks for safety reasons etc.

Is that not the case in NYC?

Fern

TRUTH is that anti-tobacco org that is always running ads on TV, they are all shot almost exclusively in NYC and they will do things like draw chalk outlines on the ground representing 'murders' to show how many people die from tobacco related illnesses. When I was in NYC this past summer they were doing this kind of stuff around Central Park and people didn't seem to have a problem with it. I certainly didn't see the police arresting anyone.

And where I live it's not illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalks even though we have bike lanes on most of the major roads.

Yes and they likely had a permit to do so. They also were likely cleaning up the mess they made.

You might want to check again on the bike law. Almost every state classifies bikes as types of automobiles, and ALL automobiles are banned from driving on sidewalks.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Pre-emptive arrests, far-reaching spying and surveillance on innocent Americans, geeze did the NYPD also torture its prisoners? I mean, they're like a junior version of the White House.

If you read some of the accounts from people who were arrested, yes. They were kept in a mass holding area that looked remarkably like a concentration camp and in unsanitary conditions before being moved the the tombs (precinct where they were fingerprinted, detained, and processed and usually ended up at for about 30 hours). Held for oftentimes up to 36 hours, but told they could be held far longer or indefinately by police, thus scaring many. Given no access to personal lawyers and often given unsound legal advice. Supplied food was mostly spoiled, rotten, or otherwise inedible. Due to the conditions they were kept in for upwards of 30 hours, sleep was not possible for most, so the equivalent of sleep deprivation. People who were in pain and requested simple pain relievers such as aspirin or tylenol were given no access to such medication.

Some wouldn't call that torture, but to me that definately constitutes cruel and unusual punsihment, scare tactics, and in some cases torture.

The NYPD should just release a video of them playing ping pong, that will make it all ok.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Even though what he was doing was in a way his freadom of speech he had to be stupid to think no one will bother him for doing it. Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required).

Education is not a measure of intelligence...I don't agree that police, in general, are stupid...but your statement surely is.

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

You're a real bright one yourself aren't you?

NYPD


Are there any education requirements to be appointed as a NYC Police Officer?

Yes, on or before the date of hire, a candidate must have successfully completed:

60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university


OR


2 years of full-time active military service in the United States Armed Forces with an honorable discharge and have a high school diploma or it's equivalent

I'm not even halfway through college and I was able to find that info, what college did you go to?

While it is true that many police departments only require a HS diploma, the majority of the better departments require at least 60 credits or 2 years in the military.


Edit - BTW, after completing most Police academies, you will usually have around 20-30 transferrable credits.....you wouldn't look as ignorant if you actually did a little research before calling Police in general stupid and uneducated.

60 college credits is not much. And considering there is no requirment structure in those 60 credits you could really take anything you wanted. And we all know how many easy courses you have at your local community college. 60 credits can normally be finished in a year at any major college or university.

What? 60 college credits is enough for an AA degree, its halfway to your bachelors. 60 credits are normally finished in 2 years not 1, if that were the case then "normally" people would be getting their bachelors in 2 years. How many people do you know that get their bachelors degree in 2 years? The Maryland State Police have a program to get your AA degree during the time that you attend their academy, thats 60 credits in 6 months. That is incredibly advanced and you can not be stupid and finish that program.

In any case, it doesn't matter, you said "Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required)" which is completely untrue and ignorant. What do you know about Police besides your general run in with them on the street?

Its obvious that you know nothing about police academies. You are force fed a ton of information in a very short amount of time, and you better learn it all because not remembering something that you learned in the academy could get you in jail or killed.

I have a M.S. in Applied Info Tech and a B.S. in Comp Sci.

Not just a B.S.

First off 60 credits by itself dosen't land you a degree unless they concentrate in a specific field. I can see this apparent in the requirments of "60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university". Indicating it's irrelevent how these credits are done. Maybe they must be all done from the same college. But, why didn't they just say AA degree in any field. That would be much easier considering an AA = 60 credits. An AA is harder to get then just 60 credits. Becuase when you go for an AA you much follow a path.

Secondly, AA degrees are not well respected in the field of academia. In some aspects many don't consider this as an Academic degrees considering that is relatively new compared to the historical (B.S./B.A. --> M.S./M.A. --> Ph.D/D.S.). An AA is a U.S. thing created for those who didn't want to go for a B.S.

Yeah and everyone can point fingers at other people's degrees and try to discredit them. A master's doens't mean that much anymore to some people because a lot of programs allow you to watch all the classes on the internet and get it with only one more year of 'school' over a BS. When in fact if you spent that year getting real job experience you would probably be better off. This isn't directed at you specifically, just saying these are the types of things I have been hearing from recruiters.

On the flip side, my ex gf got her BS in IS, hated her job prospects so she went back to school to become an opthalmic tech, which is an AA, 2 year program, her starting salary was twice what she was getting offered with her BS.

AA's are like tech schools were to our parents, highly focused degrees for specific fields.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
He blames the RNC because its more politically correct than to blame it all on GWB!!!

Fern has it right--Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned if you gotta make your "statement", write it on your own property, not others' private property or the public property.

Yes but in NYC people do this stuff all the time, what about all of these TRUTH gimmicks they keep pulling, they are using public property to convey their message. It's the same thing and a double standard. There is nothing illegal about what this guy was trying to do and I don't see how they could legally detain him for anything let alone his laptop, cell phone, and they 'lost' his bike, which is probably now sitting in the garage of one of the police commissioners for his kids to play with.

I lived in Manhatten years ago, but am not familiar with this TRUTH thingy. Can you elaborate please?
--------------------------------------

To those saying this is NOT illegal, I'm curious, in most places I've lived it's against the law to ride your bike on the sidewalks for safety reasons etc.

Is that not the case in NYC?

Fern

TRUTH is that anti-tobacco org that is always running ads on TV, they are all shot almost exclusively in NYC and they will do things like draw chalk outlines on the ground representing 'murders' to show how many people die from tobacco related illnesses. When I was in NYC this past summer they were doing this kind of stuff around Central Park and people didn't seem to have a problem with it. I certainly didn't see the police arresting anyone.

And where I live it's not illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalks even though we have bike lanes on most of the major roads.

Yes and they likely had a permit to do so. They also were likely cleaning up the mess they made.

You might want to check again on the bike law. Almost every state classifies bikes as types of automobiles, and ALL automobiles are banned from driving on sidewalks.

Don't need a permit to make chalk drawings on a sidewalk, public or not. I would love to see a case where someone was arrested for "possibly in the future at some point maybe" making a chalk drawing on the sidewalk.

Everywhere I go(this is in FL), every single day there are people riding bikes on sidewalks, police pass by and don't ticket them, so if it is illegal it isn't being enforced. Nor was it enforced when I was kid, I did it everyday as did hundreds of other kids.

So, sorry folks this is a bunch of crap, there is no excuse for this police state mentality by the NYPD.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

Don't think so...perhaps it is more the case that an intelligent person has the aptitude to perform well academically, so the correlation is intelligence to education, and not the other way around.

There are plenty of examples across our society of rather intelligent individuals achieving success without the benefit of an education.

So I stand by my original assertion that education is not a requirement to demonstrate or possess intelligence.

So, sorry folks this is a bunch of crap, there is no excuse for this police state mentality by the NYPD.

Do you feel the same way about what the Boston police did during the '04 DNC, or does the police state knee jerk reaction only come into play when talking about Republicans.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Even though what he was doing was in a way his freadom of speech he had to be stupid to think no one will bother him for doing it. Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required).

Education is not a measure of intelligence...I don't agree that police, in general, are stupid...but your statement surely is.

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

You're a real bright one yourself aren't you?

NYPD


Are there any education requirements to be appointed as a NYC Police Officer?

Yes, on or before the date of hire, a candidate must have successfully completed:

60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university


OR


2 years of full-time active military service in the United States Armed Forces with an honorable discharge and have a high school diploma or it's equivalent

I'm not even halfway through college and I was able to find that info, what college did you go to?

While it is true that many police departments only require a HS diploma, the majority of the better departments require at least 60 credits or 2 years in the military.


Edit - BTW, after completing most Police academies, you will usually have around 20-30 transferrable credits.....you wouldn't look as ignorant if you actually did a little research before calling Police in general stupid and uneducated.

60 college credits is not much. And considering there is no requirment structure in those 60 credits you could really take anything you wanted. And we all know how many easy courses you have at your local community college. 60 credits can normally be finished in a year at any major college or university.

What? 60 college credits is enough for an AA degree, its halfway to your bachelors. 60 credits are normally finished in 2 years not 1, if that were the case then "normally" people would be getting their bachelors in 2 years. How many people do you know that get their bachelors degree in 2 years? The Maryland State Police have a program to get your AA degree during the time that you attend their academy, thats 60 credits in 6 months. That is incredibly advanced and you can not be stupid and finish that program.

In any case, it doesn't matter, you said "Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required)" which is completely untrue and ignorant. What do you know about Police besides your general run in with them on the street?

Its obvious that you know nothing about police academies. You are force fed a ton of information in a very short amount of time, and you better learn it all because not remembering something that you learned in the academy could get you in jail or killed.

I have a M.S. in Applied Info Tech and a B.S. in Comp Sci.

Not just a B.S.

First off 60 credits by itself dosen't land you a degree unless they concentrate in a specific field. I can see this apparent in the requirments of "60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university". Indicating it's irrelevent how these credits are done. Maybe they must be all done from the same college. But, why didn't they just say AA degree in any field. That would be much easier considering an AA = 60 credits. An AA is harder to get then just 60 credits. Becuase when you go for an AA you much follow a path.

Secondly, AA degrees are not well respected in the field of academia. In some aspects many don't consider this as an Academic degrees considering that is relatively new compared to the historical (B.S./B.A. --> M.S./M.A. --> Ph.D/D.S.). An AA is a U.S. thing created for those who didn't want to go for a B.S.

Yeah and everyone can point fingers at other people's degrees and try to discredit them. A master's doens't mean that much anymore to some people because a lot of programs allow you to watch all the classes on the internet and get it with only one more year of 'school' over a BS. When in fact if you spent that year getting real job experience you would probably be better off. This isn't directed at you specifically, just saying these are the types of things I have been hearing from recruiters.

On the flip side, my ex gf got her BS in IS, hated her job prospects so she went back to school to become an opthalmic tech, which is an AA, 2 year program, her starting salary was twice what she was getting offered with her BS.

AA's are like tech schools were to our parents, highly focused degrees for specific fields.

Many people I come across tend to froun upon the online schools. Generally they are accredited but people are scared to see them catch on becuase they kind of re-define what getting an education actually is. I remember I was on a search commitie and someone came in with a B.S. from the University of Pheonix. It's an online school. After her interview we pretty much threw her resume and everything else in the trash within a couple of mins of the discussion. A common term for online degrees are "degee in a box".

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

Don't think so...perhaps it is more the case that an intelligent person has the aptitude to perform well academically, so the correlation is intelligence to education, and not the other way around.

There are plenty of examples across our society of rather intelligent individuals achieving success without the benefit of an education.

So I stand by my original assertion that education is not a requirement to demonstrate or possess intelligence.

So, sorry folks this is a bunch of crap, there is no excuse for this police state mentality by the NYPD.

Do you feel the same way about what the Boston police did during the '04 DNC, or does the police state knee jerk reaction only come into play when talking about Republicans.

Apples and oranges, my favorite fruits.

Where's the beef buddy, show me some linkage where a guy was arrested on zero grounds and had personal property confiscated because of something he might do perhaps someday maybe.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Even though what he was doing was in a way his freadom of speech he had to be stupid to think no one will bother him for doing it. Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required).

Education is not a measure of intelligence...I don't agree that police, in general, are stupid...but your statement surely is.

Education correlates highly with intelligence. This can be proven with IQ vs. intelligence charts and even basic statistics. I?ve never been in trouble with the law but the vast majority of police that I?ve met makes me think real hard about how decisions are being made.

You're a real bright one yourself aren't you?

NYPD


Are there any education requirements to be appointed as a NYC Police Officer?

Yes, on or before the date of hire, a candidate must have successfully completed:

60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university


OR


2 years of full-time active military service in the United States Armed Forces with an honorable discharge and have a high school diploma or it's equivalent

I'm not even halfway through college and I was able to find that info, what college did you go to?

While it is true that many police departments only require a HS diploma, the majority of the better departments require at least 60 credits or 2 years in the military.


Edit - BTW, after completing most Police academies, you will usually have around 20-30 transferrable credits.....you wouldn't look as ignorant if you actually did a little research before calling Police in general stupid and uneducated.

60 college credits is not much. And considering there is no requirment structure in those 60 credits you could really take anything you wanted. And we all know how many easy courses you have at your local community college. 60 credits can normally be finished in a year at any major college or university.

What? 60 college credits is enough for an AA degree, its halfway to your bachelors. 60 credits are normally finished in 2 years not 1, if that were the case then "normally" people would be getting their bachelors in 2 years. How many people do you know that get their bachelors degree in 2 years? The Maryland State Police have a program to get your AA degree during the time that you attend their academy, thats 60 credits in 6 months. That is incredibly advanced and you can not be stupid and finish that program.

In any case, it doesn't matter, you said "Police in general are stupid (H.S. Diploma required)" which is completely untrue and ignorant. What do you know about Police besides your general run in with them on the street?

Its obvious that you know nothing about police academies. You are force fed a ton of information in a very short amount of time, and you better learn it all because not remembering something that you learned in the academy could get you in jail or killed.

I have a M.S. in Applied Info Tech and a B.S. in Comp Sci.

Not just a B.S.

First off 60 credits by itself dosen't land you a degree unless they concentrate in a specific field. I can see this apparent in the requirments of "60 college credits with a 2.0 G.P.A. from an accredited college or university". Indicating it's irrelevent how these credits are done. Maybe they must be all done from the same college. But, why didn't they just say AA degree in any field. That would be much easier considering an AA = 60 credits. An AA is harder to get then just 60 credits. Becuase when you go for an AA you much follow a path.

Secondly, AA degrees are not well respected in the field of academia. In some aspects many don't consider this as an Academic degrees considering that is relatively new compared to the historical (B.S./B.A. --> M.S./M.A. --> Ph.D/D.S.). An AA is a U.S. thing created for those who didn't want to go for a B.S.

Yeah and everyone can point fingers at other people's degrees and try to discredit them. A master's doens't mean that much anymore to some people because a lot of programs allow you to watch all the classes on the internet and get it with only one more year of 'school' over a BS. When in fact if you spent that year getting real job experience you would probably be better off. This isn't directed at you specifically, just saying these are the types of things I have been hearing from recruiters.

On the flip side, my ex gf got her BS in IS, hated her job prospects so she went back to school to become an opthalmic tech, which is an AA, 2 year program, her starting salary was twice what she was getting offered with her BS.

AA's are like tech schools were to our parents, highly focused degrees for specific fields.

Many people I come across tend to froun upon the online schools. Generally they are accredited but people are scared to see them catch on becuase they kind of re-define what getting an education actually is. I remember I was on a search commitie and someone came in with a B.S. from the University of Pheonix. It's an online school. After her interview we pretty much threw her resume and everything else in the trash within a couple of mins of the discussion. A common term for online degrees are "degee in a box".

Yeah but I'm not talking about Phoenix or that crap(no offense to any Phoenix alums) I'm talking about mainstream, respected universities. My alma mater isn't any Ivy League school but it's generally rated pretty high among public universities, yet I can get my Masters in IS in one year, all online.

 

[manowar821]

My friends and I do some chalk graffiti for this very reason, you cannot get in trouble for it. This case is BS, they're just out to get him.

We are asked to leave once in a great while, but only once have they arrested us, and the quickly released us upon finding that it was chalk and not paint.

Chalk is FUN!