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United passenger forcibly removed from plane for not giving up seat

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Darwin333 said:
It didn't look like he was very angry in the video...

You know it's a crying shame these days that if something really fucked up happens to you the media will dig up all of your dirty laundry and air it out to the world.
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LOL the very first sentence of that article is a complete lie. It says he was dragged off screaming. He was about as calm as you can possibly be for being dragged off of an airplane and was silent.
 
A passenger who was on the flight wrote this - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-3411-man-dragged-witness-20170411-story.html

More information about the old guy, look like his family is a family of doctors -

Dr. Dao comes from a highly medical household. His wife, Teresa, 69, and two of their children — Tim, 34, and Christine, 33 — are also doctors. In addition, two of their other children are medical graduates — Ben, 31, and Angela, 27.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/passenger-dragged-off-united-plane-154300164.html
 
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That guy was kind of a hot dog though. United screwed up, no doubt, and people across the board are weirdos.

But he traded opiates for gay sex. Kind of explains why he made such a scene, and it makes it less likely that he really had important business seeing patients where he was going.
 
desura said:
That guy was kind of a hot dog though. United screwed up, no doubt, and people across the board are weirdos.

But he traded opiates for gay sex. Kind of explains why he made such a scene, and it makes it less likely that he really had important business seeing patients where he was going.
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No, no it fucking doesn't.
I genuinely hope that you are a troll and are not legitimately this mentally deficient.
 
desura said:
That guy was kind of a hot dog though. United screwed up, no doubt, and people across the board are weirdos.

But he traded opiates for gay sex. Kind of explains why he made such a scene, and it makes it less likely that he really had important business seeing patients where he was going.
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No, that explains nothing.

However, you have to wonder what kind of person in that situation is going to try to physically resist three police officers and make a huge scene instead of just saying "Oh, well, there's no way out of this. It's going to go badly for me if I resist" AND starts screaming like a teenage girl when they do grab him. The guy has a couple of screws loose, and the background info confirms that in a big way.
 
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Carson Dyle said:
No, that explains nothing.

However, you have to wonder what kind of person in that situation is going to try to physically resit three police officers and make a huge scene instead of just saying "Oh, well, there's no way out of this. It's going to go badly for me if I resist" AND starts screaming like a teenage girl when they do grab him. The guy has a couple of screws loose, and the background info confirms that in a big way.
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He is going to get paid, it will end well for him.
 
Damn computer made an unfortunate selection when it randomly selected someone. Maybe they need to factor in mental stability when choosing someone to kick off a plane.
 
Carson Dyle said:
Damn computer made an unfortunate selection when it randomly selected someone. Maybe they need to factor in mental stability when choosing someone to kick off a plane.
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The computer didn't make the selection. The gate attendants did. They thought the old Asian couple was easy target.
 
Exterous said:
My point is that United doesn't do it because the customer books based on price, not chance of IDB. If customers cared at all about IDBs before today then Southwest, which does this almost 3x as frequently as United, wouldn't be the largest domestic carrier. Customers have voted with their wallets and their wallets say Cheap ticket > chance of IDB



I made it pretty clear once I knew that he and his wife were the ones removed its unlikely that the computer selected. From my understanding that is against their policy. Nice try though



You seem to be confusing 'fault' with 'expectations of whats going to happen'. As a general rule if you ignore police officer instructions that are at least quasi-legal the immediate situation is going to end badly for you. Whether that should be the case or not is a separate discussion.



The answer would be 'Union contract' from what I have read
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I'm not 100% what "IDB" is, but I'm guessing it's something Denied Boarding.. Either way, you've yet to explain how passengers should be screwed over because United decided after the flight was not only completely full, it was completely boarded, to cram 4 of it's employees on the flight causing this whole drama. Staffing is the airline's problem, by doing what they did, they made it the passenger's problems. From all the replies that I've given on this topic to you, you seem to be saying that because the airline would have lost possible money, it's OK to put these people through what they went through.. and that's not even getting into what happened to the guy dragged down the aisle.
 
Carson Dyle said:
However, you have to wonder what kind of person in that situation is going to try to physically resit three police officers and make a huge scene instead of just saying "Oh, well, there's no way out of this. It's going to go badly for me if I resist" AND starts screaming like a teenage girl when they do grab him. .
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Somebody with the brains to know it was being filmed and the foresight to understand that non-violent resistance would lead to a huge payday. If he walked off the plane he loses, he's just another bumped passenger. By forcing them to use violence he wins and wins big.
 
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which of course could have all been avoided if they had just given gate agents authority to pay $1600.
 
Ns1 said:
which of course could have all been avoided if they had just given gate agents authority to pay $1600.
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But now that $1,600 is going to cost Oscar Munoz $500,000. 😀 United had $500k bonus for Munoz tied to customer satisfaction survey results. Not that he's hurting for cash. It says Munoz was paid around $14.3 million last year.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...00-ceo-bonus-to-customer-satisfaction-results

And all passengers on that United flight is getting some kind of reimbursement. So how many $1,600 is that?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ate-passengers-on-flight-man-was-dragged-from
 
You know what the sad part of all this is? I don't think United actually broke any laws doing what they did. Legally, they have every right to bump passengers, and by him not complying it was basically the same idea as a mall kicking someone out and the person resisting, so they call security.

It does not make it right, but it's still legal. That is the biggest problem with all of this. Yeah, they take a PR hit, but once this blows over, as long as they can offer cheaper flights than competition, they'll still get lot of business. They might need to have lot of sales for a while, but they'll get over it.

Meanwhile, if a passenger had done this to a crew member, it would be assault and illegal, and since it happened on a plane, probably even considered terrorism. Either way it would involve jail time. But in this case, I doubt anyone is going to go to jail. At worse they'll get paid administrative leave.
 
I am going to wait and see on the "legal" part of this. There is guidance for "overbooking"/"overselling" seats. But, this is not the case here is it?

The plane was booked up and United decided to bump people because they screwed up on crewing another flight.

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Red Squirrel said:
You know what the sad part of all this is? I don't think United actually broke any laws doing what they did. Legally, they have every right to bump passengers, and by him not complying it was basically the same idea as a mall kicking someone out and the person resisting, so they call security.

It does not make it right, but it's still legal. That is the biggest problem with all of this. Yeah, they take a PR hit, but once this blows over, as long as they can offer cheaper flights than competition, they'll still get lot of business. They might need to have lot of sales for a while, but they'll get over it.

Meanwhile, if a passenger had done this to a crew member, it would be assault and illegal, and since it happened on a plane, probably even considered terrorism. Either way it would involve jail time. But in this case, I doubt anyone is going to go to jail. At worse they'll get paid administrative leave.
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From what I've read there's a lot of grey area here. There's been a few places that have said that they didn't follow through with the established Fed stuff on how to go about this, including presenting something in writing to the passengers. It's going to be interesting to see the fallout. I doubt anyone will stop the overselling of flights though, but I do think it'll be a bit longer of a painful process for them. As far as this has blown up, it's not going to go away quickly.
 
More uh oh for United and Chicago Aviation Dept:

David Dao, who has retained a high-powered personal injury lawyer, asked the Cook County Circuit Court for an order requiring United and the city of Chicago to keep all video, cockpit recordings and other reports from the flight, along with the personnel files of the Aviation Department officers who pulled Dao from the plane.

Dao, who has retained lawyer Thomas Demetrio, was in a Chicago hospital undergoing treatment for his injuries Tuesday, according to a statement from Demetrio.

Demetrio has a long history of winning big settlements for his clients. He was one of the lead attorneys representing victims of a 2002 scaffolding accident at the John Hancock Center that injured seven and killed three women. The 10 victims collectively received $75 million in a settlement.

Demetrio also has represented former NFL and NHL players and their families in concussion litigation against the leagues, including the family of late Chicago Bears safety Dave Duerson. The Duerson family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the NFL in 2012, which became part of a class-action case that resulted in a $1 billion settlement.

Asked what Dao deserves from United after the incident, Munoz said, “Certainly an apology.” The airline has tried to contact him, unsuccessfully, Munoz said. “From that point on, we’ll have to see.”
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pa...against-united-airlines/ar-BBzLeDR?li=BBnb7Kz
 
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