United Nations vs. United States?

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
AmusedOne wrote :
"I'll explain this VERY slowly, Bang. Corporations do not pay taxes. They simply pass the cost on to consumers. It is a consumer tax, nothing more, nothing less. Taxing corporations more will simply make US companies less competitive, put American workers out of work, lower the standard of living and kill the economy. What the fsck do they teach you in school, Bang? What school is it you're going to? I want to make sure my kids go no where near that place."

Of course large corps don't pay taxes and dispite the breaks and direct grants continue to move jobs overseas like At&t did with it's operators pool to India. See this page Text on how you as a small business man can't take advantage of these sweet ass deals the large mutinationals are getting. Pretty slick how you can have 1/3 of your revenue come from US sales and declare almost 100% R&D as a US expense thus wipping out your US tax liabilty. See the IBM example.

AO you really think if Austin builds a facility with all the tax breaks for Dell etc it won't cost more than they'll recieve in income from the jobs created there? Cheack out this artile in TIMEText which tells the story of how these "deals" are always loosers for the local economy and have actually put many locals in the red.

As for the UN I could care less what they think or do It takes The UNITED STATES to actually enforce anything globally and if it's not in our intrest we usually don't.

Don't believe everything you read. My business has recieved some very sweet tax breaks for various reasons, the largest being for locating in economically depressed areas.

And you've got to be kidding me if you actually think tax breaks to entice businesses to local areas are a bad thing. I guess Atlanta and some parts of MS are doing so well because they're great places to live?

Give me a break, Carb, we've been through this before.

Link? I provided links on how LARGE corps with billions in revenue avoided taxes altogether. I know your "economically depressed area tax credit" is so small plus your actually employing people over here and those employees are paying taxes here.


Check out the $29million dollar jobs created in LA
Text Not good and not cool. Yes these deals are loosers and will contiune to be unless we get rid of the corporte handouts and large business corruption in our government.

 

[chiwawa626]

You guys all seem to care so much with a topic that effects you so indirectly, i mean if nobody told you you'd never know 😀 But anyways I still agree that the US pays its fair share.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: waggy
I agree with the idea of the U.N. but I feel the practice of it is flawed.

The U.S. cant stand alone we do need other nations. Getting other nations to have a good economy will only help the U.S. in the long run.

I agree. However...


Here's some further research from the UN's website.

The budget for the two years 2000-2001 is $2,535 million. The main source of funds is the contributions of Member States, which are assessed on a scale approved by the General Assembly.

The fundamental criterion on which the scale of assessments is based is the capacity of countries to pay. This is determined by considering their relative shares of total gross national product, adjusted to take into account a number of factors, including their per capita incomes.
In addition, countries are assessed -- in accordance with a modified version of the basic scale -- for the costs of peacekeeping operations, which stood at around $2 billion in 2000.

IMO, this sounds pretty socialist to me. And I disagree with whomever said that "There's nothing wrong with Socialism." Socialism is simply another form of slavery, and therefore just plain evil.


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Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Oh, neato. More liberal guilt tripping.

Guess what? It doesn't work

But it's still true right? The US makes up a small portion of the world's population and yet we use FAR more than a fair share of it's resources.
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"Fair" is the single most abused word in the English Language. We consume more resources than many other nations. How is this unfair? We're not sticking a gun down Saudi Arabia's throat and demanding they sell us oil, ya know. Are you saying that everyone on this planet should all consume the exact same amount of resources? Somebody explain this to me.

Does anyone truly believe that the people of every other nation on this planet wouldn't jump at the chance to have the same (or better) standard of living and consumption of resources that the U.S. enjoys. "Immigration is the sincerest form of flattery."

 

[Zebo]

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Acutally the so called mini mills are the best. And what everyone who writes these articles forget is steel dumping which occurs. Since steel is basically a very capital intensive business you can't exactly start up a mill overnight. So what a lot of foreign competitors do is dump (at a loss) steel over here in order to put our companies out of buiness with little hope for recovery once the price raises again and the foriegn mills will then hae a monopoly for the short term until we get back in gear. This is unacceptable for national security reasons IMO


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[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: lowtech
Is be cause the US consume 23.4% of the world energy.

The damned Canadian consume 3.4% of the world energy, but only paid 2.6%.

While the Japanese consume 5.7% of the world and have to paid 19.6%.

If I were you I wouldn?t complaint too loud, because you're a lucky bastard that were born in the middle class North America. There are many unfortunate people that slave away their entire life in factories to make the cheap consumer product that we grossly underpaid. These people & their family entire lifetime earning are less than what you spend on a car not counting fuel & maintenance.

Small hint: Those with brains and reason here will have thought about the first few posts already, the rest of the conservatives here are a bunch of KKK-ers who would prefer to change the US constitution to allow them to kick out anyone they don't agree with. Not like they can understand numbers above 3 to begin with.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: lowtech
Is be cause the US consume 23.4% of the world energy.

The damned Canadian consume 3.4% of the world energy, but only paid 2.6%.

While the Japanese consume 5.7% of the world and have to paid 19.6%.

If I were you I wouldn?t complaint too loud, because you're a lucky bastard that were born in the middle class North America. There are many unfortunate people that slave away their entire life in factories to make the cheap consumer product that we grossly underpaid. These people & their family entire lifetime earning are less than what you spend on a car not counting fuel & maintenance.

Small hint: Those with brains and reason here will have thought about the first few posts already, the rest of the conservatives here are a bunch of KKK-ers who would prefer to change the US constitution to allow them to kick out anyone they don't agree with. Not like they can understand numbers above 3 to begin with.

That's a rather cheap and petty insult, don't you think? I mean, calling people "KKK-ers" is bullsh!t.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Acutally the so called mini mills are the best. And what everyone who writes these articles forget is steel dumping which occurs[/L]

So focus those tariffs on countries that dump steel to USA. I would guess that would mean some Asian and African countries. I fail to see EU dumping steel to USA, yet the tariffs are targeted at EU as well.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So I have a few questions.

1} Why do you think we are in the UN?

2) For Amused mostly, but for anyone in particular,
What are some restraints on business, corporate America in particular that you like, or would like to see?

3) Do you believe UN authority supercedes Constitutional authority IN THE US?

4) Should the US government, if forced to make a choice, make decisions which are not in the best interest of American citizens, if non American powers say they should?

5) Do you support the idea of a World Government?

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: lowtech
Is be cause the US consume 23.4% of the world energy.

The damned Canadian consume 3.4% of the world energy, but only paid 2.6%.

While the Japanese consume 5.7% of the world and have to paid 19.6%.

If I were you I wouldn?t complaint too loud, because you're a lucky bastard that were born in the middle class North America. There are many unfortunate people that slave away their entire life in factories to make the cheap consumer product that we grossly underpaid. These people & their family entire lifetime earning are less than what you spend on a car not counting fuel & maintenance.

Small hint: Those with brains and reason here will have thought about the first few posts already, the rest of the conservatives here are a bunch of KKK-ers who would prefer to change the US constitution to allow them to kick out anyone they don't agree with. Not like they can understand numbers above 3 to begin with.

That's a rather cheap and petty insult, don't you think? I mean, calling people "KKK-ers" is bullsh!t.

Agree, but calling someone a Conservative is just about as bad.

 

[Corn]

Agree, but calling someone a Conservative is just about as bad.

Well then by your logic (or lack of it) I would guess it's fair to call anyone that's liberal a i love you?




Someday when you're brain is fully developed you'll realize the irony in your idiotic stereotyping an entire group of people based upon the actions or beliefs of a few, especially given your example. Until then you can just go on being a worthless drain on resources.........

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: lowtech
Is be cause the US consume 23.4% of the world energy.

The damned Canadian consume 3.4% of the world energy, but only paid 2.6%.

While the Japanese consume 5.7% of the world and have to paid 19.6%.

If I were you I wouldn?t complaint too loud, because you're a lucky bastard that were born in the middle class North America. There are many unfortunate people that slave away their entire life in factories to make the cheap consumer product that we grossly underpaid. These people & their family entire lifetime earning are less than what you spend on a car not counting fuel & maintenance.

Small hint: Those with brains and reason here will have thought about the first few posts already, the rest of the conservatives here are a bunch of KKK-ers who would prefer to change the US constitution to allow them to kick out anyone they don't agree with. Not like they can understand numbers above 3 to begin with.

That's a rather cheap and petty insult, don't you think? I mean, calling people "KKK-ers" is bullsh!t.

Agree, but calling someone a Conservative is just about as bad.

Everyone, including you, has a conservative opinion about something.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
So I have a few questions.

1} Why do you think we are in the UN?

Because it's akin to an international good ole boys club.

2) For Amused mostly, but for anyone in particular,
What are some restraints on business, corporate America in particular that you like, or would like to see?

As few as possible.

3) Do you believe UN authority supercedes Constitutional authority IN THE US?

I believe some UN policies have tried. Thankfully the US has stood fast.

4) Should the US government, if forced to make a choice, make decisions which are not in the best interest of American citizens, if non American powers say they should?

No. We elected our leaders, not "non-american powers," to represent us in government.

5) Do you support the idea of a World Government?

No. Not only is the world not ready for it, but having separate countries gives the people of the world a choice in how they want to live. Example: If you want socialism, move to an EU country. If you want freedom, move to the US. If you want religious extremism, move to the middle east. 🙂

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: lowtech
Is be cause the US consume 23.4% of the world energy.

The damned Canadian consume 3.4% of the world energy, but only paid 2.6%.

While the Japanese consume 5.7% of the world and have to paid 19.6%.

If I were you I wouldn?t complaint too loud, because you're a lucky bastard that were born in the middle class North America. There are many unfortunate people that slave away their entire life in factories to make the cheap consumer product that we grossly underpaid. These people & their family entire lifetime earning are less than what you spend on a car not counting fuel & maintenance.

but does that % include what we use to create goods for export so others can "consume" ??? and take 250 million of the europeans, how much energy do they use then eh? 😛 silly stats.

 

[exp]

Is be cause the US consume 23.4% of the world energy.

LMAO 😀 I love it when people quote this stat. So what if the US consumes the most energy of any country? We also PRODUCE the most of any country.

I have a question of my own for foreigners: YTF do you care about what America chooses to spend its money on? I hear people bitching about the size of our military budget, our spending on the environment, payments to the UN, etc....it never ends with you people.

Meanwhile I never hear any Americans complaining about Lichtenstein's budget. Could it be because we understand that they have their own problems to deal with at home, and would know far better than any American living halfway around the world how to spend their own damn money???

How ironic that Europeans, always so quick to portray Americans as arrogant and pushy, are the ones telling Americans how to spend their money and not the other way around. Typical hypocrisy.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

And then you think about it a little more and you see that what you call "success" is nothing but standing on the head of the little guy. Without the perpetual lower classes to perform cheap labor we wouldn't have our material escapist existance to begin with.

Success is when everyone has the same opportunities to be productive, not working with the government of Sri Lanka to make sure that the best thing most of the people will ever be able to do is work for dirt wages in a designer clothes factory.

Assasinations...of course we never hear about the ones that succeed, but all the information on failed and planned attempts gives one a pretty good idea of what it is the CIA is up to. They do it to protect business interests in countries that are basically too weak to stand on their own in the global economy...take Guatemala for example.

 

[lowtech1]

Nefrodite - but does that % include what we use to create goods for export so others can "consume" ??? and take 250 million of the europeans, how much energy do they use then eh? silly stats.

The EU consume 17.1% of the world energy.


World Total Energy Consumtion by Region.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
And then you think about it a little more and you see that what you call "success" is nothing but standing on the head of the little guy. Without the perpetual lower classes to perform cheap labor we wouldn't have our material escapist existance to begin with.

There is no reason short of phsycal or mental disablity that a person should remain lower class in the US. In fact, if you're still in a minimum wage job after a few years of working, you have no one but yourself to blame. Contrary to popular liberal BS, our lower and middle clases are quite fluid, not static.

Success is when everyone has the same opportunities to be productive, not working with the government of Sri Lanka to make sure that the best thing most of the people will ever be able to do is work for dirt wages in a designer clothes factory.

Everyone has the same opportunity, but not every has the same talents, or ambition. That's life.

As for third world countries, the work those factories offer is better than what they had before: nothing.

Assasinations...of course we never hear about the ones that succeed, but all the information on failed and planned attempts gives one a pretty good idea of what it is the CIA is up to. They do it to protect business interests in countries that are basically too weak to stand on their own in the global economy...take Guatemala for example.

Uh huh. Do you see black helicopters too?

 

[lowtech1]

exp - LMAO I love it when people quote this stat. So what if the US consumes the most energy of any country? We also PRODUCE the most of any country.

I have a question of my own for foreigners: YTF do you care about what America chooses to spend its money on? I hear people bitching about the size of our military budget, our spending on the environment, payments to the UN, etc....it never ends with you people. Meanwhile I never hear any Americans complaining about Lichtenstein's budget. Could it be because we understand that they have their own problems to deal with at home, and would know far better than any American living halfway around the world how to spend their own damn money???

How ironic that Europeans, always so quick to portray Americans as arrogant and pushy, are the ones telling Americans how to spend their money and not the other way around. Typical hypocrisy.

It does look like we all have our noses in places that it doesn't belong. But if we go by your rule then why should America care if the Korean, Chinese, Pakistan, and Indian tests missiles or nukes. We could go as far as what the hell does America care if the communist invaded Vietnam in the 50/60s, the Cuban with their nukes, the Panamanian in 89 & their drugs, Kuwait 90 & their oil, or presently Afghanistan & their terrorists?

In some people eyes that it is an unfortunate thing that we are becoming a global community, but that believe have gone pasture with slavery. We are not going to go back to the non-communicative days prior to mass media. The only way that we could go back to that era is to have a tyrant that imposes it on the world community, and I'm sorry to say even Hitler could do it. IMHO, is get over it and move on, because we are not going to give up our computer, phone, tv, radio, car, airplane, newspaper and boat to get back to the beating our drum/smoke signal as a way or communication/trading.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Within the US, yes, there aren't a whole lot of excuses for being in poverty. But this is about global manipulation.

Uh huh. Do you see black helicopters too?

No, I see stuff released by the government through the Freedom of Information act. Which was of course, a bluff to begin with, because most people are so self-absorbed they would never be concerned with finding out what our government has been up to, and whatever the real dirt is they won't release it.

As for third world countries, the work those factories offer is better than what they had before: nothing.

Why do they have nothing?
Why shouldn't they have something when people in other parts of the world have too much?

 

[charrison]

Why do they have nothing?

Their govt holds the people down?

Why shouldn't they have something when people in other parts of the world have too much?

Ask their govt that. As long as poor countries have extremely corrupt govts, the people will remain poor and there is very little that can be done about that.

 

[JellyBaby]

Why shouldn't they have something when people in other parts of the world have too much?

Who are you to judge who has too much and too little?

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Their govt holds the people down?

And why is this? Is it just a coincidence that the big foreign powers are heavily involved in these corrupt governments and we also happen to use their land and populations for cheap production? How many of these countries are still recovering from European colonialism?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Their govt holds the people down?

And why is this? Is it just a coincidence that the big foreign powers are heavily involved in these corrupt governments and we also happen to use their land and populations for cheap production?

So tell me again which countries the west is currently holding down?

How many of these countries are still recovering from European colonialism?

The US seems to have recovered quite well from this.....
Canada is not doing bad either...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Within the US, yes, there aren't a whole lot of excuses for being in poverty. But this is about global manipulation.

See my answer below.

Uh huh. Do you see black helicopters too?

No, I see stuff released by the government through the Freedom of Information act. Which was of course, a bluff to begin with, because most people are so self-absorbed they would never be concerned with finding out what our government has been up to, and whatever the real dirt is they won't release it.[/quote]

Yep, more insinuations...

As for third world countries, the work those factories offer is better than what they had before: nothing.

Why do they have nothing?
Why shouldn't they have something when people in other parts of the world have too much?[/quote]

Because we formed a beneficial government through a bloody revolution and worked for what we have. It wasn't magic, it wasn't divine intervention, it was intelligent choices and hard work. Just because we have what we have does not make us suddenly at fault for their poverty. Mor were they any better off when we found them.

In other words, their inability to form an effective government and pull themselves out of poverty is not our fault.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
Their govt holds the people down?

And why is this? Is it just a coincidence that the big foreign powers are heavily involved in these corrupt governments and we also happen to use their land and populations for cheap production?

So tell me again which countries the west is currently holding down?

How many of these countries are still recovering from European colonialism?

The US seems to have recovered quite well from this.....
Canada is not doing bad either...

Bingo!

BTW, neither is Australia