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Union curbs rescue a Wisconsin school district

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ProfJohn said:
How many hours do you think she works during the school year?

At school + home?
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my ex was a teacher.

she would always get home an hour or two after school ended. She also had at least 2 hours of papers to do EVERY NIGHT.

sure she had "free" (hahah yeah) periods but she was still busy. from recess to whatever needed to be done.

Sure she had the summer off. great! since IL you have to "continue" your education and take idiotic refresher courses.

the pay is good and the benefits are great. but its not as great as people read or claim.

not to mention you get a idiot in charge and helicopter parents? lol yeah.

edit: oh and before you say she is not the norm she was. nearly all of them worked LOT of hours. Though the ones that didn't ususally didn't stay long because they didnt' care for the job. Or they were burned out.

though they (her and her friends that still teach) are not fans of the teachers union in regards to education but say it helps teachers. But they have to change how they fire teachers.
 
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Zargon said:
how is 13% now 25+ %?

even if you add in SS, its still under 20%



you'd have less rage if you could read I suppose....
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•State Pension. Teachers belong to the Wisconsin state pension plan. That plan requires a 6.8% employer contribution and 6.2% from the employee. However, according to the collective-bargaining agreement in place since 1996, the district pays the employees' share as well, for a total of 13%.

•Teachers' Supplemental Pension. In addition to the state pension, Milwaukee public-school teachers receive an additional pension under a 1982 collective-bargaining agreement. The district contributes an additional 4.2% of teacher salaries to cover this second pension. Teachers contribute nothing.

•Classified Pension. Most other school employees belong to the city's pension system instead of the state plan. The city plan is less expensive but here, too, according to the collective-bargaining agreement, the district pays the employees' 5.5% share.

PLUS social security. What's that about reading?
 
eskimospy said:
My mom works somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-65 hours per week while school is in session, sometimes more. Around the end of each quarter and the beginning/end of the year, definitely more.

You're really on a roll with the whole 'making bullshit threads about topics you don't understand' lately. (I love the self confidence you display while walking in here and shitting your pants though)
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Ok, 60 hours a week.
Typical school calendar is 36 weeks long.

36x60=2160 hours of work a year

Typical professional making similar salary works 240 days a year.
240x8=1920
240x9=2160
240x10=2400

Wow! So your mom works about the same as a person averaging 45 hours per week.

And that is assuming that the typical teacher actually works 60 hours a week, which I doubt.
 
spidey07 said:
•State Pension. Teachers belong to the Wisconsin state pension plan. That plan requires a 6.8% employer contribution and 6.2% from the employee. However, according to the collective-bargaining agreement in place since 1996, the district pays the employees' share as well, for a total of 13%.

•Teachers' Supplemental Pension. In addition to the state pension, Milwaukee public-school teachers receive an additional pension under a 1982 collective-bargaining agreement. The district contributes an additional 4.2% of teacher salaries to cover this second pension. Teachers contribute nothing.

•Classified Pension. Most other school employees belong to the city's pension system instead of the state plan. The city plan is less expensive but here, too, according to the collective-bargaining agreement, the district pays the employees' 5.5% share.

PLUS social security. What's that about reading?
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Teachers who participate in state/municipal pensions typically don't contribute to or collect Social Security.

Anymore non-fact rants?
 
I hear so many varying estimates of how much teachers work in a given week and year. From 65 hours a week or 13 hours a day to my friends wife who works about the avg of a private sector employee of 45ish. And she doesnt do anything in the summer either. I ask her about working in the summer. She will typically work about 1 week after school is out and 1 week before.

So who the hell knows. I guess the profession can vary anywhere from 45ish to 65ish hours a week. And some teachers dont work summers while others are apparently working 12 months a year.

Buddies wife works in the village of Kohler in Wisc. I knew about her pension plan. Told my buddy years ago that was unsustainable. 13% was put into a pension for her without her having to drop a single penny.
 
Genx87 said:
I hear so many varying estimates of how much teachers work in a given week and year. From 65 hours a week or 13 hours a day to my friends wife who works about the avg of a private sector employee of 45ish. And she doesnt do anything in the summer either. I ask her about working in the summer. She will typically work about 1 week after school is out and 1 week before.

So who the hell knows. I guess the profession can vary anywhere from 45ish to 65ish hours a week. And some teachers dont work summers while others are apparently working 12 months a year.

Buddies wife works in the village of Kohler in Wisc. I knew about her pension plan. Told my buddy years ago that was unsustainable. 13% was put into a pension for her without her having to drop a single penny.
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I depends on what the state requires for certification to a certain extent. In some states all you need is teaching cert from Pat Robertson U, others may require a Masters for many teaching positions
 
hal2kilo said:
Teachers who participate in state/municipal pensions typically don't contribute to or collect Social Security.

Anymore non-fact rants?
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Wisconsin teachers contribute to both, as is quoted in the WSJ article and can be found easily by Googling "Wisconsin teacher social security".
 
ProfJohn said:
Ok, 60 hours a week.
Typical school calendar is 36 weeks long.

36x60=2160 hours of work a year

Typical professional making similar salary works 240 days a year.
240x8=1920
240x9=2160
240x10=2400

Wow! So your mom works about the same as a person averaging 45 hours per week.

And that is assuming that the typical teacher actually works 60 hours a week, which I doubt.
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She works plenty of times that aren't part of the school calendar, as do many teachers.

Jesus dude, it's really really clear at this point that you have zero clue as to what you're talking about. Why not just admit it?
 
sactoking said:
Wisconsin teachers contribute to both, as is quoted in the WSJ article and can be found easily by Googling "Wisconsin teacher social security".
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My bad, I googled but not specifically Wisconsin's setup. I've got to believe it's pro rated in some fashion.
 
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spidey07 said:
•State Pension. Teachers belong to the Wisconsin state pension plan. That plan requires a 6.8% employer contribution and 6.2% from the employee. However, according to the collective-bargaining agreement in place since 1996, the district pays the employees' share as well, for a total of 13%.

•Teachers' Supplemental Pension. In addition to the state pension, Milwaukee public-school teachers receive an additional pension under a 1982 collective-bargaining agreement. The district contributes an additional 4.2% of teacher salaries to cover this second pension. Teachers contribute nothing.

•Classified Pension. Most other school employees belong to the city's pension system instead of the state plan. The city plan is less expensive but here, too, according to the collective-bargaining agreement, the district pays the employees' 5.5% share.

PLUS social security. What's that about reading?
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the second plan is just milwaukee teachers, and the classified is OTHER school employees and says they arent on the state plan. so it still doesnt add up.

that puts milwaukee at about 20%, not 25% and everyone else lower

thats the best I can do since the article is rather vague(go figure, a smear piece not giving enough real info!)
 
soundforbjt said:
You don't know any teachers do you? Ask them how many hours a day they work.
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I do, I have one that lives right next door. She absolutely does not work any longer per week than I do, in fact, she works less AND she is NOT working this summer.
 
hal2kilo said:
Once again in the same day you get it wrong. Most teachers I know have to update their education to maintain their certification. Meaning alot of them are in college taking a course or courses during the summer break at there own expense. Also because of the cheapskate tax payers there are never enough school supplies which many teachers also pay for out of their own pocket.

You union haters are basically just jealous.
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so fucking what, so don't accountants (CPAs), lawyers, cops, doctors, hell even plumbers and electricians need to keep up with their knowledge and/or certifications through annual classes, seminars and tests. Teachers are not special in this regard.
 
Wife's brother recently got married for the second time. Both of them had their spouse die, second marriage for both. Met on eHarmony fwiw.

He's the superintendent for maintenance for a sprawling school system. She transferred onto his insurance as it was better than what she had. Better, you bet. Right after their marriage she had a major problem with one of her teeth. She ended up with a root canal and a crown on that tooth. At the reception desk to pay the bill after the procedure's, she was told that the entire procedure was covered. No charge whatsoever.

Great bennies.

As an aside, every teacher knew what they were getting into when they decided on that career. There's no reason they shouldn't have to bear the burdens of our failing society the same as the rest of us. They're not special.
 
eskimospy said:
She works plenty of times that aren't part of the school calendar, as do many teachers.

Jesus dude, it's really really clear at this point that you have zero clue as to what you're talking about. Why not just admit it?
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Your mom is a teacher, my sister in-law is a teacher.

That makes you an expert on the subject and me clueless, got it... 🙄


And seriously, I highly doubt that your mom is working 60 hours a week. There is no way she is working 4 hours a day at home. Probably not even close. A few times a year it might reach that point, but for most of the year she is probably doing 45-50 hours. (1-2 hours of homework a day)
 
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awesome! This is why public unions =/ private unions. In private unions the company bargaining is held responsible and has to make decisions for the best interest of the company whereas the public they just say "yes" because it's easy and then raise taxes to cover it. If some of these other CBA's were analyzed across the country i'm sure we'd see much more . . . . generous benefits.

What they ended up with IMO is more fair and saves a boatload for taxpayers
 
eskimospy said:
My mom works somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-65 hours per week while school is in session, sometimes more. Around the end of each quarter and the beginning/end of the year, definitely more.

You're really on a roll with the whole 'making bullshit threads about topics you don't understand' lately. (I love the self confidence you display while walking in here and shitting your pants though)
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I call shens on the 60-65 hour work week.
 
hal2kilo said:
My bad, I googled but not specifically Wisconsin's setup. I've got to believe it's pro rated in some fashion.
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The kick in the nuts is that the pension isn't pro-rated, the social security is. If you get public/private pension benefits your social security is reduced. That's (one of the reasons)why most states opt out of social security. In this case, Wisconsin teachers are making full social security contributions and when they retire they will get greatly reduced benefits.
 
I have two cousins, a niece, and several friends who are teachers. The only one who works more than 40 hours a week is one cousin who is a coach.

As CPA mentioned, many professions require supplemental continuing education. I'd put your typical certified public accountant's continuing education requirements up against a typical teacher's any day. Public education is also virtually unique in that you automatically receive additional money for the extra education levels, whether or not your job actually requires that education - although this may be largely a factor of government in general, come to think of it.
 
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