UNIFIL: Israeli Troops Were in Own Territory When Lebanon Opened Fire

[Freshgeardude]

do u really know whar u are taking about? now lebanon and israel are not at war? where did u get that from?

they technically arent at war, but this action would be a clear act of war if Israel wanted to take it up.


two high commanders were killed/ seriously injured.

 

[majd]

Is Israel shelling/bombing Lebanese army positions until none can be found or Lebanon surrenders.

Yes or no?

this is really a proof that u don't have any background on this topic, do some reading and u will know what is happening in our region for the last 60 years or so.

we are at war with israel and there is no other way to describe it, bombing and shelling is part of war, the war status has alot of other apsects .

the UN resolution 1701 is not even a cease fire, it's a hold on military actions.

go educate ur selve on this subject, not all topics can be handled based on a flashing news, unless u just want to keep throwing lines and increasing ur post count.

 

[Zebo]

Being a Lebanese I am surprised about the amount of hate and racism, people should be ashamed from their selves,

You are? I thought you'd be used to it. Must have not lived there between 1975 to 1990.

 

[irishScott]

More Fail. Come on, think about it.
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Learn to Think.

That's the murky part. How are those on the Lebanese side of the Border to know where the tree lies? They see the Isreali's reaching over the Fence, that appears to be an Incursion.
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The Lebanese on the Ground didn't have something precise enough to know whether it was Israel or Lebanon.

It is not Israel's responsibility to compensate for Lebanon's ignorance.

 

[majd]

You are? I thought you'd be used to it. Must have not lived there between 1975 to 1990.

your point?

having a civil war at one point in time should allow people to become racists?

i am assuming that the people that are posting here are not lebanese to start with, so they are not part of that period anyway,

again what is your point?

 

[ZzZGuy]

this is really a proof that u don't have any background on this topic, do some reading and u will know what is happening in our region for the last 60 years or so.

we are at war with israel and there is no other way to describe it, bombing and shelling is part of war, the war status has slot of other apsects .

the UN resolution 1701 is not even a cease fire, it's a hold on military actions.

go educate ur selve on this subject, not all topics can be handled based on a flashing news, unless u just want to keep throwing lines and increasing ur post count.

Doesn't change anything I've said, and I'm guessing your view on history differ a great deal from mine.

If you feel that your two countries are at war and that actions like the shooting of the two Israeli soldiers while on Israeli land was justified then you will have a another war with Israel. This time all of Lebanon will be involved compared to the last war, not just a terrorist group who you let operate inside your country (which is now part of your government).

To continue this conflict will not end well for you.

-edit for spelling

 

[sandorski]

It is not Israel's responsibility to compensate for Lebanon's ignorance.

It is in Israel's best interest not to provoke tensions. The UN said "Wait", Israel should have waited for prudence sake.

 

[ZzZGuy]

It is in Israel's best interest not to provoke tensions. The UN said "Wait", Israel should have waited for prudence sake.

Now the question is, if the Lebanese are so incompetent what is keeping them from shooting the Israelis anyway if they still think they are on Lebanon soil while the UN peace keepers are there overseeing the work Israel was trying to do?

This is a honest question as I do not know the relationship between the LAF and UN peace keepers as well as the UN peace keepers ROE in such a case.

Also note that the UN appears to have little bite between terrorists rearming in the south to beyond pre-war levels and unopposed Israeli flyovers.

 

[majd]

Doesn't change anything I've said, and I'm guessing your view on history differ a great deal from mine.

If you feel that your two countries are at war and that actions like the shooting of the two Israeli soldiers while on Israeli land was justified then you will have a another war Israel. This time though all of Lebanon will be involved, not just a terrorist group who you let operate inside your country (which is now part of your government).

To continue this conflict will not end well for you.

what history are u talking about? and when was the last time "israel" only attached a party in lebanon? last time they attached everybody from north to south,

as for continuing or ending the conflict this is not really the point, we have rights and we will not back down on them, "israel" is still occupying parts of our land, before ending that there is really no end for this conflict, sadly people will keep dying from both sides because of that, that war and that's how things are.

people that are living in peaceful parts of the world should be grateful for what they have, there is to much violence in this world.

 

[Zebo]

this is really a proof that u don't have any background on this topic, do some reading and u will know what is happening in our region for the last 60 years or so.

we are at war with israel and there is no other way to describe it, bombing and shelling is part of war, the war status has alot of other apsects .

the UN resolution 1701 is not even a cease fire, it's a hold on military actions.

go educate ur selve on this subject, not all topics can be handled based on a flashing news, unless u just want to keep throwing lines and increasing ur post count.

Take your own advice. I'll help.

1) cease fire and "hold on military action" are synonymous. A distinction without difference. It's like saying Blue or Azul.

2) The very first order in 1701 is cease fire.

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1. Calls for a full cessation of hostilities based upon, in particular, the immediate cessation by Hizbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations;

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701

 

[irishScott]

It is in Israel's best interest not to provoke tensions. The UN said "Wait", Israel should have waited for prudence sake.

So Israel looks at one of their maps, see's the UN "blue line" unilaterally confirms it and says, "hell it's our property, and all we're doing is cutting some trees like we've been doing for quite some time now. Sure it's a day off but what the hell, it's only a few trees."

Lebanon: "They're cutting down trees off schedule. Open fire."

Yeah, it's all Israel's fault for assuming Lebanon had some intelligence and common sense. 🙄 You talk about Israeli provocation? What's the bigger provocation? Cutting down trees or bullets? Sounds like the Lebanese were the wannabe-bullies here.

 

[majd]

Take your own advice. I'll help.

1) cease fire and "hold on military action" are synonymous. A distinction without difference. It's like saying Blue or Azul.

2) The very first order in 1701 is cease fire.


http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701

there is a big difference between cease fire and "full cessation of hostilities" other wise they would've called it a cease fire and called it a day.

again don't be naive there is a big difference between the 2, don't oversimplify it, in a such agrements terminologies are key , alternating words have big impacts, a "the" can turn things around, welcome to international politics.

 

[sandorski]

Now the question is, if the Lebanese are so incompetent what is keeping them from shooting the Israelis anyway if they still think they are on Lebanon soil?

This is a honest question as I do not know the relationship between the LAF and UN peace keepers as well as the UN peace keepers ROE in such a case.

Also note that the UN appears to have little bite between terrorists rearming in the south to beyond pre-war levels and unopposed Israeli flyovers.

Seeing as this was a Sniper that shot makes the situation even murkier as to "knowing the border". Even if the Sniper had a GPS or Google Maps, he still would need to estimate here the actual Border lies. Simply because he was looking from a Distance.

If Israel would have waited, the UN itself probably would have shown up to over see it, thus informing the Sniper that it wasn't just Israel cutting down trees willy nilly.

 

[Zebo]

what history are u talking about? and when was the last time "israel" only attached a party in lebanon? last time they attached everybody from north to south,

as for continuing or ending the conflict this is not really the point, we have rights and we will not back down on them, "israel" is still occupying parts of our land, before ending that there is really no end for this conflict, sadly people will keep dying from both sides because of that, that war and that's how things are.

people that are living in peaceful parts of the world should be grateful for what they have, there is to much violence in this world.

Luck has nothing to with it. Islams borders and innards are bloody everywhere you look. Pakistan, Southern Thailand, Indonesia, Sudan, Nigeria, Algeria, and especially the middle east. Nothing you can do about that since scripture calls for violence. To the extent they remove themselves from fundamentalism they get less violent.

 

[majd]

Luck has nothing to with it. Islams borders and innards are bloody everywhere you look. Pakistan, Thailand Indonesia, Sudan, Nigeria, Algeria, and especially the middle east. Nothing you can do about that since scripture calls for violence. To the extent they remove themselves from fundamentalism they get less violent.

again a shot at islam, islam is not violent.

 

[Zebo]

there is a big difference between cease fire and "full cessation of hostilities" other wise they would've called it a cease fire and called it a day.

again don't be naive there is a big difference between the 2, don't oversimplify it, in a such agrements terminologies are key , alternating words have big impacts, a "the" can turn things around, welcome to international politics.

english fail

 

[ZzZGuy]

what history are u talking about? and when was the last time "israel" only attached a party in lebanon? last time they attached everybody from north to south,

as for continuing or ending the conflict this is not really the point, we have rights and we will not back down on them, "israel" is still occupying parts of our land, before ending that there is really no end for this conflict, sadly people will keep dying from both sides because of that, that war and that's how things are.

people that are living in peaceful parts of the world should be grateful for what they have, there is to much violence in this world.

Then enjoy your country burning around you and it will be far worse then last time. All this over half a town and a few strips of land which you would likely get back if you offered true peace.

You will be left in ruins while a few border towns in Israel suffer damage from rocket fire with their populations safely in shelters. Israel is also employing rocket interceptors, soon you will not even be able to do this (note that this system can tell where the rockets will land and only intercept ones landing within cities/towns).

This could all be avoid if you would stop attacks on Israel and prevent terrorists within your country from doing the same. If you disagree, show me where Israel's is not "reacting to aggression".

 

[ZzZGuy]

Seeing as this was a Sniper that shot makes the situation even murkier as to "knowing the border". Even if the Sniper had a GPS or Google Maps, he still would need to estimate here the actual Border lies. Simply because he was looking from a Distance.

If Israel would have waited, the UN itself probably would have shown up to over see it, thus informing the Sniper that it wasn't just Israel cutting down trees willy nilly.

You misread my question (I will edit it). I am asking what would stop the Lebanese from shooting anyway even if the UN peace keepers were there?

 

[bfdd]

Israel should not just Ass-u-me that everyone on the other side is up to speed where the Border may or may not be.

does anyone else notice that this is like exactly the opposite of what he was posting about that border patrol dude who shot that mexican kid?

 

[bfdd]

Seeing as this was a Sniper that shot makes the situation even murkier as to "knowing the border". Even if the Sniper had a GPS or Google Maps, he still would need to estimate here the actual Border lies. Simply because he was looking from a Distance.

If Israel would have waited, the UN itself probably would have shown up to over see it, thus informing the Sniper that it wasn't just Israel cutting down trees willy nilly.

So let me get this right... Israel can't cut down their own trees all willy nilly? If they can't cut down their own trees whenever the fuck they feel like it because they risk the chance their neighbor might want to shoot them for it, mind you their OWN TREES ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY, then maybe they should just wipe their neighbor out. Maybe like... the rest of us should help them kick the neighbor out. I mean that's what you'd do in your neighborhood right? Or you'd just let him shoot your wife/son/daughter/dog/grandma/etc because they were taking out the trash and you should of waited for the HOA to approve of it.

 

[irishScott]

does anyone else notice that this is like exactly the opposite of what he was posting about that border patrol dude who shot that mexican kid?

But.. but these people interacted with Israelis, the rapists of the Middle East! Clearly you haven't heard of how the Israeli forces inflicted so much rape, terror and torture on Lebanon that it is now impossible to expect trained Lebanese soldiers to act like non-idiots. 🙄

The Liberal foreign policy mindset usually seems to mandate that Western Countries:Eastern Countries:Other Countries as Parents:Teenagers:Children.

 

[MotF Bane]

There are clearly defined Institutions to deal with the Neighbour situation. The same does not exist(I suppose you could argue the UN, but it doesn't have the same Power that Police, City Hall, Courts, etc do). So I disagree wholeheartedly.

You are not a Nation nor King.

If it is wrong for me to shoot my neighbor, then why is it any different for a nation? Why do you condone violence at an international level, a level populated with diplomats and weapons of mass destruction, yet condemn violence between neighbors with rifles?